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Thread: I AFK Macro Dance Here Is Why
Well ravinmist labeled me a moron for posting my view so I'll keep it to myself.
Yep architects do take skill to advance due to being able to use better quality resources etc to make a better product thru experimenting.
We are in acantina, safe and sound, dancing.
Another non-starter of an argument. It costs 1000cr to clone at a location. If I die, I get NO wounds, lose NO equipment or stats, I respawnback at the clone center. Until they implement tougher death penalties, fighters are just as "safe" in the field as we are in the cantinas.
Of course, did you think the players that are getting free healing off you are going to complain? Besides, you posted this on an entertainer forum, what did you expect to see?
"Again. I challenge the entertainer community. Get out of the Cantinas with your 20 player groups where you get 1000+ healing exp and put your money where your mouth is."
I do. I will continue to. And I still hate AFK entertainers.
"Show me that you are a better entertainer than I am. Be Bob Hope and go to the war zone to entertain the troups."
I already know I am a better entertainer. That's like comparing the affection you get from a live dog to a stuffed animal.
This discussion is getting pointless. It's going around in circles. Once more, play however you want, but stop trying to rationalize it to yourself and to us as something good, because we're never going to agree.
- J
I see the problem.
Here, I have been reading you resonses and not being responsive to me. I have not addressed your issues because I was reading them as poor responses to my post.
Ok I will address your issues vis-a-vis my post / situation.
1) You Dance where you do becuase you enjoy role-playing. That is great. I enjoy role-players.
But you then go on to state this: all other concerns are irrelevent to me
Well that is not true is it? AFK dancers seems to be a matter of great concern to you. Seems you could have a field day role-playing with the afk dancers.
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2) (b) SOCIALIZING with the good friends I have made in both places. If you are implying I do it for money, think again.
No. I did not mean to, nor do I believe I did imply that you dance for the money.
I dance on Lok for the feeling of appriciation I get from the people whom I heal. IF you are implying I do it for the money, think again.
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3)I do not even know how to use /denyservice and wouldn't use it if I did.
So you admit to undercutting those entertainers who rely on tips for their sole source of income and have a total disregard for their situation. And, futhermore, you state that you will continue do dance for free just like the AFK dancers further adding to the Tip Controversy.
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4) Ah, but I am not dancing for free, AFK, 24/7... so while yes, people can get something "for free" from me, that's only for a short period of time
So, the problem isnt that I am dancing AFK and thereby undercutting a "live" dancer who cannot compete with me for tips. The problme is one of time. Because I dance for Free a little Longer than you do, I am wrong.
Reminds me of that joke. Guy says "would you have s e x with me for a billion dollars.. " sure, lady says.
Ok how about 50? guy says.
What do you think I am? the Lady says.
We know what you are, the man says, we are just haggling over the price.
So, we are both committing the same problem by dancing for free and thereby making it un profitable for other dancers... we are just arguing over the amount of time.
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5) I don't really see how these things are relevent to the fact that most entertainers do not like LAMErs
LAMErs That is your term. Tell you what. I would rather have my patrons appricate my work than other dancers.
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For the record. And, regretably this will be the last post cuz i have to leave for the day... maybe i will check back on when i get home.
For the Record. I AM DANCING ON LOK FOR THE APPRICATION AND GRATITUDE BEING SHOWN TO ME BY THE PEOPLE ON LOK.
I AM LOOSING MONEY AND EXPERIENCE BY SO DOING
I HAVE BEEN DOING AFK DANCING ON LOK FOR ABOUT 2 DAYS
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You say you dance for the Role-Playing and socializing. I dance for the Feeling of being needed. For being appriciated. I dance on Tatooine for the Role-Playing and to Socialize and get exp and training.
I believe that your motives are not superior to mine.
I do not believe that I am harming the Entertainer community by being on a planet providing a service that NO One Else is providing nor wishes to provide.
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So long and thanks for all the stars
annshadow wrote:
I dance on Lok for the feeling of appriciation I get from the people whom I heal. IF you are implying I do it for the money, think again.
Question: Since you're not at the keyboard, how do you KNOW they appreciate you?
3)I do not even know how to use /denyservice and wouldn't use it if I did.
So you admit to undercutting those entertainers who rely on tips for their sole source of income and have a total disregard for their situation. And, futhermore, you state that you will continue do dance for free just like the AFK dancers further adding to the Tip Controversy.
This comment confused me. Are you actually implying that /denyservice should be used to force tipping? Correct me if I'm mistaken here, because that's sure what it sounds like. Can you spell e-x-t-o-r-t-i-o-n?
So, the problem isnt that I am dancing AFK and thereby undercutting a "live" dancer who cannot compete with me for tips. The problme is one of time. Because I dance for Free a little Longer than you do, I am wrong.
Funny. First you claim you're only on Lok "to help others" and now you're bragging about your tips? Honey, the day ANY afk LAMER can compete with me for tips is the day I hang up the flesh wrap!
LAMErs That is your term. Tell you what. I would rather have my patrons appricate my work than other dancers.
Actually, quite a few of us have adopted the term, which is an acronym for "Long Term AFK Macroer". It fits. But again, you seem to know whether your patrons appreciate your "work" but you're never at the keyboard to really find out. Something doesn't add up, unless you're just fooling yourself.
I AM LOOSING MONEY AND EXPERIENCE BY SO DOING
Odd again ... I've been to Lok several times, and I made more tips than I've ever seen in my career anywhere else. I even got thanks for actually being at my keyboard. So if you're as good as you claim, how are you losing money?
You say you dance for the Role-Playing and socializing. I dance for the Feeling of being needed. For being appriciated. I dance on Tatooine for the Role-Playing and to Socialize and get exp and training.
If you're asleep or at work, you're not going to feel very appreciated for your dancing, are you?
I believe that your motives are not superior to mine.
I do not believe that I am harming the Entertainer community by being on a planet providing a service that NO One Else is providing nor wishes to provide.
This issue is not about motives so much as it is about methods and image. The cantinas have always had some AFK macroers in them, even when I started playing at release. But the problem was never this bad. Today there are more LAMERs in the cantinas than there are live players. Since that is the trend, the logical next step is to remove the Dancing profession completely and place dancing NPCs in the game who use scripts to interact with players and don'tneed to be tipped. Anybody can run a macro. It takes a real player to play.
annshadow wrote:1) You Dance where you do becuase you enjoy role-playing. That is great. I enjoy role-players.
But you then go on to state this: all other concerns are irrelevent to me
Well that is not true is it? AFK dancers seems to be a matter of great concern to you. Seems you could have a field day role-playing with the afk dancers.
How the heck can I RP with an AFK dancer? They can't respond because they are not at-keyboard. Or are you one of these nut-jobs who thinks that sitting in a white room with my eyes closed = RPing? Well if YOU want to think of it that way YOU are welcome to. I do not. To me roleplaying requires at a minimum one other person who is also roleplaying, with me, in order for it to be enjoyable and worth paying my money to be online. If I'm not going to have that I may as well play a solo RPG game like Morrowind or Baldur's Gate. The benefit of an online RPG is that there are other roleplayers there to roleplay with. If they are all AFK, then I can't roleplay with them. Since the AFKers seem to have chased most of the good RPers out of the cantinas by their obnoxious behaviors, I am left with no one to RP with. So yes, RP is my #1 priority and I dislike AFK Macoers because they are doing a variety of things that lessens my roleplaying experience. If they don't lessen yours, bully for you, but they lessen mine. So I see no manner in which my dislike of their behavior conflicts with my statement that I like roleplaying above all else.
And ONE MORE TIME... It's not about "undercutting live dancers." Go back and read your own posts.
You freely admit, the ONLY reason you went to Lok was because you were HIRED to go there in the first place. Let's look at the chain of logic and reasoning, shall we:
Step #1 - Lok is devoid of entertainers and the fighter types can't get healed.
Step #2 - Fighter types decide to remedy #1, and look around, and find YOU - a healer for them.
Step #3 - due to #1 and #2, they offer to PAY YOUR WAY to Lok and hire you out to dance in the cantina.
Step #4 - You go to Lok due to BEING HIRED and dance there.
That's what happened in the past. By your own description (roughly).
Now look at today. You are there, always, 24/7. The whole reason steps #2-4 even happened was because of step #1 -- nobody being there. The whole motivation the Lok-ians have to contact a dancer or musician and pay their way to Lok for entertainment is step #1 -- that no one is there. Since you are always there, then step #1 never happens, and thus no one is ever going to be hired to come to Lok and play, because YOU are there ALL THE TIME.
You come onto these forums and taunt the rest of us to "come to Lok and then I will leave", but YOU didn't just "come to Lok" on a whim. You were HIRED. You were HIRED because no one else was present. Now that YOU are present ALL THE TIME, it prevents anyone else from being HIRED. So no one gets to do what you did -- go for hire. The rest of the dancers all have to do something you admit even you were not willing to do -- go there on a lark in the hopes of maybe making enough to one day get back off world and to their home base.
By being there 24/7 you are denying the other dancers of the opportunity you had -- to have the players on Lok hire them for service. The players on Lok (on your server) never need to hire anyone for service, ever again, because you are there already, all the time, 100% of the time.
You're going about it backwards when you say, "You come to Lok first, then I will leave." Even YOU didn't do that. You got HIRED... So what you are asking people to do is something you yourself would not do and did not have to do. You were hired to go there, and by being there you ensure no one else will ever be hired like you were.
This is a classic case of "Do as I say, don't do as I do."
C
Holy moly you guys I think you need to agree to disagree hehe
I am a Dancer, I roleplay her when I am in the right setting, I find it difficult sometimes in battle. I dont care for AFK dancers. Why? Only because there is always going to be that guy who is going to be cheap and walk right past an interacting dancer to watch the AFK'r because he doesnt wanna tip. Sad but true. I think a true dancer puts a lot more effort into what they are doing then some may realize or appreciate.
I can live with that but I will not group them, train them or offer them help. Not because I want to be mean but simply because I dont feel they are truely doing their job... and that is to ENTERTAIN. Not just heal your fatigue or give you a mind boost. A true dancer wont keep doing the same things over and over again, they mix it up, they interact, they change costumes etc. Yes you still get the same benefits fatigue wise... but sitting there on your butt must be more pleasant than watching a mindless robot. At least for some who appreciate that sort of thing,
I agree its more hazardous, or perhaps more inconvienent(cloning) to level up as a fighter, or an architect, but none of it takes that much skill IMHO... anything in a game can be figured out and you can be good at it. PvP takes a bit more thinking or game knowledge but if you try hard enough you can do it. But saying all the fighting classes dont respect entertainers because we have no skills is just only looking at a small portion of this game. Yes its less hazardous, death wise, unless your like me and get the notion to go overt sometimes *laughs* but what you consider skill may not be what I consider skill. Entertainers have their own kinds of skills IMHO , not everyone can entertain others, or make them laugh, smile, etc etc.
Anyways to each their own, and I do hope dancers are granted some other ways to be more helpful battle wise, healing fatigue in high level camps and that sort of thing, Longer mind boosts, a timed group bonus or song or some such just to just givedancers more appeal to the masses. Not every dancers lives in a Cantina, I know I sure dont.
Caitiri Ca'Mora
Starsider
You seem to advocate the use of the /deny command (I have no real opinion about it one way or the other) but you're overlooking the fact that your AFK presence completely nullifies any good that might come about from the live dancer using /deny. Example: Live dancer goes to Lok, you are there in your usual zombie-like state. Fighter type comes in, the live dancer can now try to use /deny to get paid up front, in which event the fighter just watches the AFK dancer who can't choose to deny or not.
"3)I do not even know how to use /denyservice and wouldn't use it if I did.
So you admit to undercutting those entertainers who rely on tips for their sole source of income and have a total disregard for their situation. And, futhermore, you state that you will continue do dance for free just like the AFK dancers further adding to the Tip Controversy."
Actually, your AFK self is 'undercutting' any dancer that might choose to dance in the same cantina as you. A live band may choose to immediately /deny every person that comes in, in an attempt to ensure that they are paid for the service of healing. (Again, I don't really have any opinion on doing that) However, since you are there botting, you've effectively nullified the /deny command for all the other entertainers who are there and may be trying to at least cover their travel costs, thus undercutting them by being there to provide a service for free.
You have proposed that dancers use the /deny command, but your actions mean that they don't even have that option available to them. So selfless of you!
nobusoyurs wrote:Well ravinmist labeled me a moron for posting my view so I'll keep it to myself.
Yep architects do take skill to advance due to being able to use better quality resources etc to make a better product thru experimenting.
All that takes is time. Finding resources, harvesting or buying resources, combining resources. Clicks on the keyboard, just like us. And unless I'm mistaken, experimentation gives architects nothing for most of their products. One medium house is the same as the other, regardless of the materials used or the experimentation. Isn't that true? In essence, with enough time and effort, anyone can become a master architect, right?
Now, if you'd like to compare the truly successful architects versus the non-successful ones, I would say that has very little to do with resources and experimentation, and everything to do with salesmanship, buiding customer relationships, pricing things correctly, making advantageous deals, getting brand recognition, etc.
With dancers, the mechanics of the profession, like an architect, are easy. Follow the proper steps, hit the right keys, and you will find your way to mastery.
But the truly successful dancers do much more than that.
- J
"Yep architects do take skill to advance due to being able to use better quality resources etc to make a better product thru experimenting."
Please explain to me how to make a 'better' couch. Oh wait, that's right. You can't! There's no decay on furniture, so can't experiment to any effect on that, you can't change colors so you can't experiment to get a better colored couch. Using a resource with total attributes less than 12 when added up will get you the exact same couch or house as using a resource with 1000 across the board. You can experiment on crafting stations but I've heard that a high effectiveness crafting station does...nothing. So, even if we give them the crafting stations, *all* the other items made by architects have no need for 'good' resources. That's one of the problems with the profession. If you use high quality resources to make a house, you're wasting them.
A combat player needs 'skill' in pushing buttons in the right order, just like a dancer does. You also need to be able to watch your radar and move out of the way when you see red dots. Oooooo my brain is aching just *thinking* about how challenging that must be, and how skilled you need to be to do that! 
Whereas a dancer often needs skills in diffusing an out of hand situation between herself and some hormonally overactive reject whose only experience with sex is gawking at pixellated females.
If you want to call dancer a 'no skill' class, you've got to call them all 'no skill' because it really doesn't take skill to play a combat character either. Risk? There is no risk in this game lol
And how did the architect get these better quality resources? Either she paid for them at the bazaar, vendor, or in a trade (i.e she clicked buttons), or, she did a survey to find the best quality resources (i.e. she clicked buttons).
I'm sorry, I don't see the point.
PoIwen