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Thread: Update and Cantina Gossip from the Corr Summit

Tralmek
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:54 pm
#40

I didn't take anyone's comments about what I said personally, I know they were meant to dispell an actual attack on the correspondants, but just to clarify for everyone. I fully support everything the Entertainer correspondants do for the professions, and honestly I don't think we could have better representation. I know I couldn't do a better job.

My issue isn't really with the Developers either. Theyprioritize things based on what SOE tells them to/lets them do.

I've explained my views on what SOE is (not)doing elsewhere, and since I don't want this thread to be locked/deleted I'll keep them to myself this time. If you really want a refresher, send me a PM sometime, I'd be willing to talk it over through that.


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Reachwind
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:28 pm
#41






garvin wrote:


If you do still have hope, how would you like to see the Correspondent System revamped to work better for you? What could we do better that would make you happier? Having no Correspondents and having the Devs deal with each community would lead to under chaos and unfocused issues. And having the Devs post everything they come up with in public forums would cause even more Chaos when they discover something was wrong or misleading (we've all seen that happen before and the serious negativity it lead to)...Seriously...how would you fix the Correspondent System...I'm happy to make sure the Devs see your ideas as long as they are realistic and not flaming.






Sorry wanted to send this to you as a PM but you have me on ignore so;


If you were serious here is really what I'd like to see changed....


I'd like for there to be two basic forums. One a read only (for us lesser account holders) correspondent forum where you guys discuss our actual issues (the things that pertain directly to what we come up with in those top five lists etc). Basically the hidden stuff that we are always told about but don't really ever get proof exists. The back and forth bewteen the corrs and the stuff the devs respond with. Be it wait, is coming or won't be done... etc.


Then they could make a private forum that is dev post only similar to the in concept forum here.. they would be able to post those things you guys need to proof read, exploit submissions etc.... The stuff better not seen by the majority. You could respond but not post threads.


We should get a vote of confidence for our reps every few months (or even month). A simple anonymous poll that would get unpopular and unwanted correspondents out and new blood in as the communities desired.


Lastly I would aslo ask a minimum of one post per community per month by a dev into that communities forum. Doesn't have to be a wizard of oz/god post fixing everything just a response to the most important discussion topic for the month.... Even if it is "wait for CB".


Thanks for you time.


Panthu
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:31 pm
#42






Reachwind wrote:


Sorry wanted to send this to you as a PM but you have me on ignore so;



No, he doesn't. Why do people say this all the time? You know that the little "Devs may not respond and if you are on this person's ignore list blah blah blah" warning is up for all PMs, right?





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garvin
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:35 pm
#43






Reachwind wrote:





garvin wrote:


If you do still have hope, how would you like to see the Correspondent System revamped to work better for you? What could we do better that would make you happier? Having no Correspondents and having the Devs deal with each community would lead to under chaos and unfocused issues. And having the Devs post everything they come up with in public forums would cause even more Chaos when they discover something was wrong or misleading (we've all seen that happen before and the serious negativity it lead to)...Seriously...how would you fix the Correspondent System...I'm happy to make sure the Devs see your ideas as long as they are realistic and not flaming.






Sorry wanted to send this to you as a PM but you have me on ignore so;


If you were serious here is really what I'd like to see changed....


I'd like for there to be two basic forums. One a read only (for us lesser account holders) correspondent forum where you guys discuss our actual issues (the things that pertain directly to what we come up with in those top five lists etc). Basically the hidden stuff that we are always told about but don't really ever get proof exists. The back and forth bewteen the corrs and the stuff the devs respond with. Be it wait, is coming or won't be done... etc.


Then they could make a private forum that is dev post only similar to the in concept forum here.. they would be able to post those things you guys need to proof read, exploit submissions etc.... The stuff better not seen by the majority. You could respond but not post threads.


We should get a vote of confidence for our reps every few months (or even month). A simple anonymous poll that would get unpopular and unwanted correspondents out and new blood in as the communities desired.


Lastly I would aslo ask a minimum of one post per community per month by a dev into that communities forum. Doesn't have to be a wizard of oz/god post fixing everything just a response to the most important discussion topic for the month.... Even if it is "wait for CB".


Thanks for you time.






I don't have anyone on ignore...please PM me again...I'd be happy to work something out with you to pass on to TH and the devs...I'm sure you have some great ideas and you seem very passionate...




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Panthu
Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:56 pm
#44









Cudayn wrote:

.... why do entertainer missions only pay a couplehundered credits?



Because they don't think we need money. I disagree 100% for exactly the reason you said. We need people. Period.


If we are ever going to be a real Playstyle option, we need to be able to make just as much money as Combat and Crafting. Put in a drain as clothes decay, make us rent out a "station" in the NPC Cantinas, whatever... economy is fun and part of the game. We should not be excluded from that gameplay.


What defines game payout worth? What defines effort? It's only a game mechanic, that's all. There is no reason why we shouldn't earn just as much in Entertainer Missionsas Combat Players do in Destroy Missions.


Sure, we have no cost... but we pay for it with no game.


(Even better would be Cantina games that all could play, but we could earn a comparable living doing. I see no reason to keep the mission system if it is never going to be made a fun activity or a useful distribution tool for Ent Healing *shrug*)


***


... and you guys are talking to the wrong person about this "end of the AFK Ent Grinder" thing. I don't think that's going to happen until our leveling is both interactive and fun... hologrinding or not.


***


On the Bots, yes, I know which Redtag is at the root of the Recursive Macro Changenow... yes it is because he hates AFK... yes I heard him talk about it a lot... no I don't think it will fix anything for us. However, I do like the stand against AFK Play and Bannings for 3rd Party Program Usage.


... and I always like people talking about Dancers, even if I think they are confused and wrong.



Message Edited by Panthu on 09-02-2004 01:04 AM




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Reachwind
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:32 pm
#45








Panthu wrote:


No, he doesn't. Why do people say this all the time? You know that the little "Devs may not respond and if you are on this person's ignore list blah blah blah" warning is up for all PMs, right?






I said it because there was no option to submit/post the PM message to garvin.

Panthu
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:35 pm
#46






Reachwind wrote:








Panthu wrote:


No, he doesn't. Why do people say this all the time? You know that the little "Devs may not respond and if you are on this person's ignore list blah blah blah" warning is up for all PMs, right?






I said it because there was no option to submit/post the PM message to garvin.






Maybe this is a weird Lithium bug. I know I've never had anybody on ignore and people say this to me sometimes. I even go check to make sure I didn't like accidentally click on ignore when looking at their other posts.


I'll ask the Mods if they know.






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DarkY0da
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:46 pm
#47


What Lithium might be bugged ?




(darn it I can't seem to find the button to turn the sarcastic off...)

Message Edited by DarkY0da on 09-01-2004 10:46 PM



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Gknee
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:14 pm
#48

<3


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Minerunner
Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:09 am
#49

Reach,

I understand your concerns. And I have to say that a couple of them are exactly what we would all like to see changed.

I do have to say however that the current plan of keeping some information silent till it's more concrete is of utmost importance. I've seen hundreds of forum users scream bloody murder when something that was proposed as a posibility wasn't carried out in reality to the letter.

Incidentally you can see how well you are being represented every time one of us makes a post.



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kirah_ashlin
Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:39 am
#50






Panthu wrote:






Sure, we have no cost... but we pay for it with no game.







What a simple, yet telling statement, Panthu . . . /sigh


BTW, I do hope your grandmother and pup are doing better - and that you are too! /comfort


Kreistor
Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:45 am
#51

You know, I thinking of posting somthing here, but decided against it.

Instead I'll say Panthu is doing an amazing job, Garvin posts some amazing posts, voting for our Corrs is a silly idea, and I refuse to feed the trolls!

Thank you and good night!

Message Edited by Kreistor on 09-02-2004 09:46 AM



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Warryyr
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:00 am
#52

Yeah, Panthu - I hope your family (doggy and Grandma) are doing OK. Focus on them, we're not going anywhere


I'm really pleased to see some good discussion in this thread, and I'm always so proud day after day of the passion we have for our profession. Even though, at times, things can get pretty heated, we always seem to find some really good stuff in the exchanges.


Panthu, thanks again...and Tiaga....thanks...having you folks there to represent us was a wonderful thing.


Come what may, with these new changes comes a chance to see our stuff actually get touched by a programmer - and maybe for longer than a couple days so that they don't keep inadvertantly breaking our stuff while fixing our stuff


I had to try 5 times to Music buff a guildie last night - then he logged and came back in, and he had the music buffs mysteriously. Then 3 nights ago the guild was listening, but I wasn't grouped, nor did I setperform (we were healing before buffing) and somehow people ran out of the cantina to get doc buffed and ended up with dancer buffs - that were about 35 minutes in length. Very strange things lately...anyone else encountering weird things like this?

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