Dancer Archive
Thread: An end to the plague but-
HalasterTheBlack wrote:
You're always going to encounter that sort of anti-social ass-hole in an MMOG. But I'll bet you that for every one of those you encounter, you'll find 10 people more than happy to talk to you while you buff the one stat you can, before they head over to the buff bot for the stat you can't.
And if you had a friend with you who could buff the other stat... they'd ignore the buff bot completely.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 08-04-2004 09:56 AM
picklesSW wrote:
Point 'a' is completely correct. I pay $15 a month so I can enjoy a game, not so I can be your personal battle fatigue slave. So shoot me, I want to have fun.
Then perhaps visiting an entertainer should be an option and not a neccesity. The combat classes want to enjoy the game as well and, like it or not, a lot of them don't want to play your game. Give them an alternative to healing BF and then you can have your cantinas for parties with your friends and selling buffs.
Point b is only partially correct. Customers like you I have no interest in helping, because you place your own convenience over the welfare of three entire professions. We've been nothing but vocal about our plight, and while there are some who have supported us and continue to do so, there are many more who really don't care, or casually dismiss our opinions as inconsequential. Having said that, there are some wonderful people playing this game who do care about us, and for them, I will cross three worlds at my own cost to heal wounds or provide a buff. I will absolutely be there for them in any way I can be.
And this is the main reason a BF alternative needs to be put in place. Because no one should have the power tostop another from playing the game by their actions. For all of the complaints about AFk bots, a dancer can still dance and a musician can still play music, but a combat player can nolonger fight once his BF has reached a certain level.
Dreamland wrote:
Is funny you should mention that because two people i know, master dancer and musician were performing 10 feet away from Briah the coronet buffbot yesterday. They had matching outfits and were just generaly putting on a good show. YOu know how many customers they got, Thats right a big fat 0
Briha mind you, had the same crowd of 20 around her she always does.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 08-04-2004 09:56 AM
I wonderhow much ofthat has anything to do with the fact that Briha has been available consistently, building up that clientele, not bitching about AFK flags over peoples' heads, and buffing people when they wanted to be buffed.
That's also Coronet. Coronet sucks. Always will. Try another - ANY other - cantina in another reasonably populated area.
If that is so, it's not for lack of trying, it's for lack of tips. You want to blame the entertainers for that? Are buffbots and AFKers really the right answer to that problem, or perhaps do the combat people need to learn to respect and reward their fellow players?
This is an old old old argument that we really don't need to rehash, and it's not the core issue here. Any way you try to spin it, I will never concede that unattended gameplay is a good thing in any situation in any online game that's meant to be social. There is always a better solution.
HalasterTheBlack wrote:
Don't play semantics with me. You and I both know that the devs made that statement solely to appease the incessant whining they've been blistered with from the Entertainers. They decided to implement it just to get your nagging voices out of their ears.
You are 100% wrong. You do not know what you are talking about. This is not what we proposed and I am tired of us being the scapegoats here. The "solutions" for the lack of Ent Healers during off peak times that might happen are absolutely awful for us. This was not an Entertainer Request. Ask the Devs. Ask the Devs why they have decided to do this over one of our Dancer Proposals that would have improved the game for us and made our healing and buffing more accessible for you.
Go ahead, ask them. Since you are so tight with them and all. 
HalasterTheBlack wrote:
Oh so you mean the dev team are entertainers? because they are the ones that have decided to remove recursive macros.
Don't play semantics with me. You and I both know that the devs made that statement solely to appease the incessant whining they've been blistered with from the Entertainers. They decided to implement it just to get your nagging voices out of their ears.
My JOB, i have a job i go to every day, This is my ENTERTAINMENT,I come here to play, not to come out to yavin IV and dance alone for 5 hours so that when you come back from the geo cave i'm there to save you time from flying back to a main world.
I don't have a problem with this being your entertainment. What I have a problem with is that combatants are 100% dependant upon you in order to keep enjoying the game THEY want to play. I didn't set that dependance up - the devs did.So if you're not going to be there for them, so THEY can play their game, then they need an alternative. Either commit to doing the job the devs defined for you or let someone else do that job without pissing and moaning about it.
You have a major problem in thinking that everyone else has a responsibility to make your gameplay better, Tell me what is your JOB, Are you doing anything to make anyones gameplay better or are you just here to complain that theres not enough people to serve you.
Nope. Not your responsiblity to improve my gameplay. But, as I just mentioned, the devs think it's your (as a whole group) responsibility to enable me and others like me to heal our Battle Fatigue so we can keep playing the game we play. That's the role yousigned up forwhen youchose that Entertainer profession.
As to how I improve others' ingame experience... maybe you should venture over to the House An'geles forums and ask them that in person, k?
You see, your contempt for me is obvious. Its clear that you have a fundimental belief that my profession exists to serve you.
You still havent answered me on why it is so difficult for you to have to go to a main planet to be healed by an entertainer.
Maybe doctors should be there on the adventure planets to serve you as the devs so obviously intended them to do by making wound heals and buffs necessary for combat as well.
This will be the last time i respond to any of your posts because it is clear that you either out just to get attention, or somehow convince me that i should be serving you because its my job to do so. When you are able to show some mindset other than completely insulting ignorance maybe you'd be worth my time again.
/denyservice
picklesSW wrote:
"No, actually, they won't. I know this because they didn't back before buff-bots became the norm. I know this because I was here, on these forums, trying to get entertainers to go to those places back then. Because they were needed there."
If that is so, it's not for lack of trying, it's for lack of tips. You want to blame the entertainers for that? Are buffbots and AFKers really the right answer to that problem, or perhaps do the combat people need to learn to respect and reward their fellow players?
This is an old old old argument that we really don't need to rehash, and it's not the core issue here. Any way you try to spin it, I will never concede that unattended gameplay is a good thing in any situation in any online game that's meant to be social. There is always a better solution.
Dreamland wrote:
/denyservice
Sure fooled me with your rabid support of an otherwise dismally bad idea.
Panthu wrote:
You are 100% wrong. You do not know what you are talking about. This is not what we proposed and I am tired of us being the scapegoats here. The "solutions" for the lack of Ent Healers during off peak times that might happen are absolutely awful for us. This was not an Entertainer Request. Ask the Devs. Ask the Devs why they have decided to do this over one of our Dancer Proposals that would have improved the game for us and made our healing and buffing more accessible for you.
Go ahead, ask them. Since you are so tight with them and all.
HalasterTheBlack wrote:
The better solution is to give ATK entertainers reasonably significant advantages over AFK entertainers.
HalasterTheBlack wrote:
Sure fooled me with your rabid support of an otherwise dismally bad idea.
Panthu wrote:
You are 100% wrong. You do not know what you are talking about. This is not what we proposed and I am tired of us being the scapegoats here. The "solutions" for the lack of Ent Healers during off peak times that might happen are absolutely awful for us. This was not an Entertainer Request. Ask the Devs. Ask the Devs why they have decided to do this over one of our Dancer Proposals that would have improved the game for us and made our healing and buffing more accessible for you.
Go ahead, ask them. Since you are so tight with them and all.
HalasterTheBlack wrote:
Sure fooled me with your rabid support of an otherwise dismally bad idea.
Panthu wrote:
You are 100% wrong. You do not know what you are talking about. This is not what we proposed and I am tired of us being the scapegoats here. The "solutions" for the lack of Ent Healers during off peak times that might happen are absolutely awful for us. This was not an Entertainer Request. Ask the Devs. Ask the Devs why they have decided to do this over one of our Dancer Proposals that would have improved the game for us and made our healing and buffing more accessible for you.
Go ahead, ask them. Since you are so tight with them and all.
No.. Panthu is right. This is not what they asked for and a lot of good ideas were floated to fix the situation for the entertainer professions. Instead, the Devs decided this was the easiest and fastest way to get it done.
That still doesn't mean the largest cry that "something" be done by the devs didn't come from the Ents. Because it did. And ultimately, this probably wouldn't have come about had those cries not been heard. So I wouldn't claim complete innocence Panthu.