Dancer Archive
Thread: THink i have the most failures for the theater quest so far.
Ravanne_Esi
Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:40 am
#40
Failed for the 8th time. There is no way anyone can convince me this quest is not severely flawed. As on most of my prior attempts I received no, ABSOLUTELY NO, information as to which dance or flo they liked or did not like. The best I have ever gotten was a flo or dance they did not like and have never been able to get better than a neutral rating. I've tried different theatres, I've tried different times of the day. Great job SOE, 5 minutes of frustration followed by over 24 hours of fuming over it, love your idea of exciting new content.
claja
Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:16 am
#41
If it's not a breach of etiquette for a musician to post on the dancer's boards, I'd like to add a few comments.
For what it's worth, I've been experiencing the same frustrations on the musician side. Since I haven't done the dancer quest, I can't compare the two to see if one has more bugs than the other. But I have also ran into problems with audience members not giving enough useful information, and I'm also frustrated at the randomness of the entire quest. If this is an entertainer quest, than our success or failure should depend on our abilities as an entertainer, not our /conversation skills and a roll of the dice. This would be like a combat class being told that they had to go out and kill 3 of a certain creature for a quest within 5 minutes. Oh, but we're not going to tell you which creature.
So dancers aren't alone in their frustrations, we musicians are feeling it, also. If I may borrow an old 1990's phrase... "I feel your pain".
For what it's worth, I've been experiencing the same frustrations on the musician side. Since I haven't done the dancer quest, I can't compare the two to see if one has more bugs than the other. But I have also ran into problems with audience members not giving enough useful information, and I'm also frustrated at the randomness of the entire quest. If this is an entertainer quest, than our success or failure should depend on our abilities as an entertainer, not our /conversation skills and a roll of the dice. This would be like a combat class being told that they had to go out and kill 3 of a certain creature for a quest within 5 minutes. Oh, but we're not going to tell you which creature.
So dancers aren't alone in their frustrations, we musicians are feeling it, also. If I may borrow an old 1990's phrase... "I feel your pain".
Ravanne_Esi
Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:00 am
#42
I have helped a number of people on both the Musician and Dancer sides of this quest and what I have seen is that the musician may not get much useful information on occasion, they always get something of use. The Dancers on the other hand rarely get much useful information and often get none at all. This is probably due to taking out the lyrical and formal dances from the selection but not doing it correctly as the programmers and DEVs seem to be of low ability. This was changed and never received any testing. SOE's low level of QA is reaching new heights or would that be lows?
We wait 16 months for new content and when we get it, it's poorly conceived, poorly executed and just plain bugged.
Way to go SOE!
Kharn_JB
Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:24 pm
#43
The failure quest timer is far too long in my opinion. I can understand making us wait because of a failure, but 24 hours is just too long. I failed the audition because I forgot the /changedance command since I rarely ever use it, and the stupid performing stop/start delay prevented me from starting to dance quickly enough again. 2 hours would be ideal, but even 6 hours would be a lot more reasonable.
kirah_ashlin
Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:06 am
#44
Or more likely, "go out and kill some rondos, but you'll have to guess at how many you need to kill - too few, fail, too many, fail . . ."
claja wrote:
If it's not a breach of etiquette for a musician to post on the dancer's boards, I'd like to add a few comments.
For what it's worth, I've been experiencing the same frustrations on the musician side. Since I haven't done the dancer quest, I can't compare the two to see if one has more bugs than the other. But I have also ran into problems with audience members not giving enough useful information, and I'm also frustrated at the randomness of the entire quest. If this is an entertainer quest, than our success or failure should depend on our abilities as an entertainer, not our /conversation skills and a roll of the dice. This would be like a combat class being told that they had to go out and kill 3 of a certain creature for a quest within 5 minutes. Oh, but we're not going to tell you which creature.
So dancers aren't alone in their frustrations, we musicians are feeling it, also. If I may borrow an old 1990's phrase... "I feel your pain".
Shi_Dira
Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:38 am
#45
Failed the 2nd performance for the 5th time last night...failure #6 comes later tonight. I love not getting any info from the audience at all...no flos and no dances - yeah! Guess hitting neutral was pretty good considering that and I have always had 2 or 3 people out there talking to the audience with me too /sigh
Message Edited by Shi_Dira on 10-23-2004 10:39 AM
Akaara
Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:22 pm
#46
I completed the entire mission/quest and it only took 2 tries on each performance. The key is getting all your hotbar keys in order. I had a startdance, changedance and all the flos up on my hotkey bar. I had my in game husband group with me and he talked to the audience while I danced my butt off. Here are some tips...
1. Start dancing when you first get onstage, don't wait for the countdown!
2. Group with a friend and have them talk to the audience
3. Change your dances often and do the dances they like
4. Do all of the flos unless they say they don't like one
5. Do a few more of the flos they DO like but make sure to do other flos
6. Never do any flo they don't like
7. Never do formal or lyrical dance
8. Change dances as often as possible and do as many flos as quickly as possible
9. Make good use of those hotkeys so you can keep up the pace
The performance's ARE fast paced and you need to really do a bunch of different dances not just the ones they request, use alot of flos but avoid the ones they don't like. Everyone should pass if they do this. I did fail once on the first and second performance, but got them both on my second try. I passed the final performance on the first try by doing what I just described.
1. Start dancing when you first get onstage, don't wait for the countdown!
2. Group with a friend and have them talk to the audience
3. Change your dances often and do the dances they like
4. Do all of the flos unless they say they don't like one
5. Do a few more of the flos they DO like but make sure to do other flos
6. Never do any flo they don't like
7. Never do formal or lyrical dance
8. Change dances as often as possible and do as many flos as quickly as possible
9. Make good use of those hotkeys so you can keep up the pace
The performance's ARE fast paced and you need to really do a bunch of different dances not just the ones they request, use alot of flos but avoid the ones they don't like. Everyone should pass if they do this. I did fail once on the first and second performance, but got them both on my second try. I passed the final performance on the first try by doing what I just described.
Xyrdre
Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:13 pm
#47
kirah_ashlin wrote:
Kirah won the final performance (and that wicked, wonderful dance)with a neutral audience rating oddly enough. At the other end of the spectrum, Shianne failed her first performance with neutral. Go figure . . . .
I think the cases where it seems like you succeed on Neutral are just that the last update doesn't display a satisfaction rating, only SUCCESS or FAILURE. Most likely that final check was the one that took you to Satisfied on the one, thus success, and on the other one that final check wasn't quite enough to get it up to Satisfied, and thus failure.
Hvzeda
Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:01 pm
#48
Well, I finally succeed last night. It took 2 attempts with the first audience (I forgot to converse with the audience). It took 5 attempts with the 2nd performance and completed the final performance on the first try.
A bit of advice, have someone converse with the audience while you do it. Getting feedback from someone else on what the audience is saying helps. Second, I don't know if holding anything in your hand affects success or not. On the second performance, I had 4 failures. I decided to unequip the spraystick I usually hold and I succeeded. I did that with the third performance and succeeded on the first try. Once you get feedback from the audience, remove the flourish the audience doesn't want from your quickbar (you can always replace them after the performance). Do lots of flourishes. Last, make sure you do this when your a fully alert.
Good luck to all.
kirah_ashlin
Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:05 am
#49
Kirah won the final performance (and that wicked, wonderful dance )with a neutral audience rating oddly enough. At the other end of the spectrum, Shianne failed her first performance with neutral. Go figure . . . .
)with a neutral audience rating oddly enough. At the other end of the spectrum, Shianne failed her first performance with neutral. Go figure . . . .
Kalia
Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:20 am
#50
Failed last night for the fifth time (on performance #2). As all my previous tries I had someone working the audience prior to, and during, my performance. The first 2 or 3 attempts were utter failures since the audience told me NOTHING at all, but at least now I'm getting clues as to which dance and flos I should or shouldn't do. Oddly, I still fail, no matter the fact that I'm doing what they asked for. Nice!
Ravanne_Esi
Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:43 am
#51
Panthu,
Any word from the DEVs on the ridiculously high fail rate for Dancers? Or are we once more on /addignore Dancers and /denyservice Dancers?
Wokka
Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:27 am
#52
Actually, I ignored most of the advice given by the audience anyway. they said one flourish they liked, and one they didn't like. They even said they liked 2 particular dances... well they lied, doing those dances gave me a horrible rating. (well actually, it didn't make the rating go up at all)
I would start a dance and wait for the rating. Then change to another dance, if the rating went up, do the flourishes they wanted. Spam them. If the rating continues to go up, you're doing fine. If the rating stays the same for one tick, start looking for another dance in a hurry before the next rating comes up. Remember to spam the flourishes (once per sec) they like and don't worry that you look all stupid twitching up there. When I stuck to this philosophy, I was able to get all the way through the performances and finish without any more failures.
Wokka-wokka
I would start a dance and wait for the rating. Then change to another dance, if the rating went up, do the flourishes they wanted. Spam them. If the rating continues to go up, you're doing fine. If the rating stays the same for one tick, start looking for another dance in a hurry before the next rating comes up. Remember to spam the flourishes (once per sec) they like and don't worry that you look all stupid twitching up there. When I stuck to this philosophy, I was able to get all the way through the performances and finish without any more failures.
Wokka-wokka