Dancer Archive
Thread: Inspirations on TC5
Esharra wrote:
Keep in mind..what we are testing right now is a Entertainer profession level skill.
An excellent point. They are giving something to the Entertainer profession but nothing real to the Dancer or Musician professions. This is a major nerf and injustice considering the very large investment we currently have in healing and buffing skill points and that it appears we will still have after the CU. Dancers and Musicians should be outraged at the way we are being treated, much is being taken away from us with nothing of value being returned. WOW we're a little faster at giving a novice Entertainer buff.
For the most part, I like it.
- I like the little buff icon that appears (/flex!).
- I like the system messages telling you how long your buff is now.
- I like that there were very few bugs.
I still think it needs to be made an active process.
Thanks for the loving Devs! /cheer
Message Edited by Warryyr on 04-07-2005 09:45 AM
Esharra wrote:
Ok guys. Enough with the unfounded and apocalyptic assumptions. You are putting nails in our coffin faster than I can yank them out. You don't think the devs have decided against something for us in the pastbecause of posts like these? Stop making my job harder.
(Shake hands with the Esh that Doasa refers to as the thug.)
Sorry, Esh.
As wonderful as these buffs are, and as flawlessly as they work, they are completely contrary to any predominant and definitive design principles that any other profession in this game is guided by.
What other profession lets a 15 skill point Novice provide exactly what a Master could, it just takes a little longer?
What other profession allows other players to type a / command and essentially just yank benefits from a player at their merry whim?
This is what I don't understand, and what I don't like.
The buffs are great, the fact that they're working great is awesome, the problem is HOW they work. And I hope something is done about that, because right now the way they work goes against just about every design principle behind SWG. As wonderful as new stuff is, I refuse to overlook the fact that this lets people take from us as they like, and it makes a Novice just as good as a Master.
Scip convinced me to have faith last night, and I do have faith. But when we continue to see posts on the feedback for these things, minus any communication from a Dev in that thread, AND these things go on TC exactly as they were pitched before the gobs of protests against their mechanics, well - I think the Devs can take a sure bet that the feedback they will receive is exactly like in that thread. Which is exactly what I just posted here.
Maybe I should just keep my big mouth shut, it doesn't seem to have anyone any good lately, anyhow.
(Shake hands with the Wookiee teh Panth00 called "the troublemaker.")
Message Edited by Warryyr on 04-07-2005 09:48 AM
Message Edited by Panthu on 04-07-2005 10:48 AM
Panthu wrote:I think they are more cautious with our info than say chefs or smugglers because we tend to spook easily.
But don't we tend to spook easily because we're tired of all the secrecy?
I think the problem is we're looking at this as replacement for buffing (yes, I know Tiggs said that). Think of it as a replacement for wound healing instead.
Lets find the last reserves of our faith and be positive, and help the process as much as possible and just ASSUME they're fixing our #1 issue.
If it gets to be a week before live and we're still in the same place, then you can beat me up.
As far as the system it's nice, though I still request some sort of system message or notification that a person is watching. But again, that might be part of the "big picture," or something.
Self-buffing, anyone? Yes, I know this means that to get this set of inspiration buffs all one needs is 15 skill pionts, but regardless, self-buffing has been our lists for forever and we'll have it in some form now.
Okay, I'll stop babbling now
Message Edited by Warryyr on 04-07-2005 10:24 AM
Schardour wrote:
Ravanne_Esi wrote:
This is a major nerf and injustice considering the very large investment we currently have in healing and buffing skill points and that it appears we will still have after the CU.
Rav, my answer to this would have to be....Bullsh!t. As recently stated by developer Phydeaux, this skill is not meant to replacebuffing, only act as another form of "healing." Yes, it's an enhancement, but certainly not an Elite Profession skill. +10% to a variety of skills useful primarily to low-level characters is a great addition to our skillsets, but obviously not a real money-maker. (This is why I was angry when this seemed to be all we were receiving.) Now that we've been told that more is on the table, we can think about what our real skills should be, and what we might receive from the devs in our time. Right now, we're still in the CU. They've hinted that our issues will still be addressed at a later time.
We may want to argue the fact that our high-level skills (to come later) should not be free and passive, because it may step on the toes of chefs, players who provide similar services in a different form. (Temporary non-HAM related bonuses.) We may want to push for an unintrusive control mechanism for Master-level Inspiration sales. We don't want to ask them to take away something awesome they've managed to give us....an interaction with the non-combat community and a big bonus for visiting the cantinas. (Maybe we can bring them in with the offer of free crafting or combat xp bonuses, and manage to sell them something else while they're there?)
If they're giving us more, we can definitely work with this system.
Like I said a major nerf of the elite professions, they are taking away our current buffing abilities and giving us nothing but the "promise" of something as yet undefined in the future. We are losing a major part of our abilities for which we have paid a very heavy XP and SP price with nothing being given back. With all of the issues involved with supporting and debuging the CU and RotW it may be months if not longer before they have the time and resources to do anything for us.
Message Edited by Ravanne_Esi on 04-07-2005 03:22 PM