Dancer Archive
Thread: Girls, does it ever bother you?
Pappi
Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:58 am
#27
LyteFoot wrote:
I think the term "a todd" is more general than just this game. It's general because there are a lot of guys playing female toons, something I've never really understood, and there are a lot of young males playing the game who still aren't secure in themselves or in how to interact with a female.
I hate the way so many guys treat a female when the accept that it is a real one. It is the whole annonymity thing and the fact they still don't know how to interact with a female. What I do find interesting on the other side is how sweet all the ladies are to the few of us who are old enough to show proper respect. I guess it is because we are rare and although I hate that for you ladies it's a pretty sweet deal for me.
The other thing I don't understand is the cyber thing. Whether in person or remote those are acts that involve a lot of emotion. Without some understanding of and care for the person involved it can be very hollow actions. I think that just goes to the immaturity as well and shows they still haven't figured out the whole interpersonal aspect of life yet.
So don't give up ladies there are a few of us out there who are mature enough to be decent and to treat you as equals because of who you are not what you are.
as I always say, stupid people happen...
in this case, I just ignore the idiots. if they can't treat you with respect, they aren't worth your time.
RareGem
Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:04 pm
#28
I had a male toon in Asherons Call... I couldnt of been very convincing though becuase people who didnt know who I was thought I was gay 
Reachwind
Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:35 pm
#29
Oddly enough the person I know who is the worst offender for calling female characters in the game "Todd" is in fact a woman herself.
We were talking about the Matrix movies one night and she referred to Carrie-Ann Moss as a "Todd". I had no idea what she was talking about until she explained the back story. I guess someone in her guild was playing a female character and had created an elaborate story to go along with claims of being a female in real life. Then one day a post was made on the GCW forum outting this character as having been played by a real life male named Todd.
Well now she calls every woman she gets jealous of or even mildly dislikes a "Todd". Quite honestly it gets old in a hurry.
We were talking about the Matrix movies one night and she referred to Carrie-Ann Moss as a "Todd". I had no idea what she was talking about until she explained the back story. I guess someone in her guild was playing a female character and had created an elaborate story to go along with claims of being a female in real life. Then one day a post was made on the GCW forum outting this character as having been played by a real life male named Todd.
Well now she calls every woman she gets jealous of or even mildly dislikes a "Todd". Quite honestly it gets old in a hurry.
Oqua
Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:10 pm
#30
Interestingly, I'd be intereseted to know if any of the RL ladies here has tried to play a male toon.
In EQ I played a male dwarven paladin. No one had a clue I was a woman, for I didn't play him as such. I left sexuality out of the equation so I could relax and enjoy the game.
What I found was that I got invited to groups more readily and my ideas were listened to when I contributed stuffies. Thats something I have never really found with either of my ladies, either in SWG or EQ.
In fact, it was so obvious in my old guild with a type of "good ol' boy" system: Someone would ask a question about how to do a certain profession or the best way to go about hunting. I would answer as one of my ladies, and no one would respond that they had heard me speak. They acted as if they didn't see my response in guild, no matter how many times I would repeat it. Taewyn would come online not more then five minutes later...same question would be asked....Tae would give the exact same answer, and BOOM! All of a sudden they heard him, and said "gee thanks Taewyn...leave it to you to know what to do."
Seems that I forgot the old adage....before speaking, make sure you are packing a hoohaa to be heard, cootapappy's need not apply. 
Seriously though, when playing a male character I could concentrate more on the game it seemed. I had less people hitting on me/making sexual advances, I had a much easier time finding groups, I had people respect what I said more readily, and I never had anyone questioning my playing ability (especially in a dungeon type situation).
KaiaClodgah
Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:04 pm
#31
I understand that guys equate female characters with rl cheerleaders because the looks are probably similar but the majority of girls playing were probably not the cheerleader type. I was a drama geek who had an overactive imagination. I hate that cheerleader-types have made gamer guys so cautious of any type of female attention (online or otherwise) because I've often found that gamer guys/geeks in general are the sweetest type of guys.
But that was off-topic.
Since this has come up, I've been tempted to make a flamingly gay male character on one of the other servers just to see if anyone calls me female. heh.
Etdentarie
Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:37 pm
#32
I just want to say that not all former cheerleaders were mean to the computer geeks in high school. I, in fact, married a computer geek whom I started dating in high school.
As for the actual topic of this thread, I haven't been accused of being a male for quite a while but the times that I did always really made me mad. I just take offense that some 14 year old kid who spends his saturday nights in his basement playing a computer game instead of maybe going out on dates thinks himself so much an expert on women that he can tell me I'm not one.
As for the actual topic of this thread, I haven't been accused of being a male for quite a while but the times that I did always really made me mad. I just take offense that some 14 year old kid who spends his saturday nights in his basement playing a computer game instead of maybe going out on dates thinks himself so much an expert on women that he can tell me I'm not one.
Message Edited by Etdentarie on 11-26-2004 08:48 PM
Shaizann
Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:09 pm
#33
Oqua wrote:Seems that I forgot the old adage....before speaking, make sure you are packing a hoohaa to be heard, cootapappy's need not apply.
I just want to go on record confirming that I giggled like a school girl at the use of the terms "Hoohaa" and "Cootapappy".
Message Edited by Shaizann on 11-26-2004 05:10 PM
Maisland
Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:37 pm
#34
I have never had any problem convincing anyone that I am female in RL. I guess my gender comes through enough that they believe it when I tell them. Actually, I have only met one person who didn't realize at once that I was female in RL... they were embarassed over some of the things they had said before one of my RL friends that I play with told them.
I have no problem with people playing characters of the opposite gender from what they are in RL, but then, I don't play these types of games to "date" other characters (though I will eye a well made male character). Of course, there is also the fact that most of the other people I meet are young enough that I could be their mother... and a few have been young enough that I could almost be their grandmother
What does bother me is when someone refers to one of my (female) Wookiees as "he." It's NOT that hard to tell male Wookiees from the females.
gera
Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:49 pm
#35
They have to /wave to see him/her on wookies 
It does not bother me. It should not bother anybody. This is roleplaying and its widely known fact that "human females living in Earth / SOLsystem / Milkyway Galaxyfar far away" are not THAT much interested in computer games. No need to flame here like "oh, we play we are not minority" because you are. Exceptions like people in this board does not change the fact rest 2 billion womens life styles.
Its a roleplaying game. My RL friends (female) plays in male toons, but in game I behave them as males. Because it is not myself. It is my character seeing them.
So what they call you "dude", "mate" ? Reply them as "dudette, ma'am" , so what they know you as "male" irl? Will it change your gender? Good thing, you will not suffer from "hit-on"s which many dancers suffer. So will you gonna date? Will you gonna do something not possible with pixilarate toons? no? so why to bother at all..
DarkY0da
Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:15 pm
#36
It bothers me sometimes. It doesn't happen all that often to me really. Except on msg boards as my nick isn't something you can just look at and go Ohh it's a girl ya know. /shrug
I do play male characters from time to time. And it's rather sad at the difference in treatment. But I do live in the 21st Century. I'm used to it by now.
Once in a game I posted pics on a faces type site and then I never heard the end of it. These little kids would just not leave me along and ketp hitting on me. So I don't do that sort of thing now. It's a game. And my character has friends in it. Some of those friends I am friends with. But I tend to be very careful about that sort of thing.
I do play male characters from time to time. And it's rather sad at the difference in treatment. But I do live in the 21st Century. I'm used to it by now.
Once in a game I posted pics on a faces type site and then I never heard the end of it. These little kids would just not leave me along and ketp hitting on me. So I don't do that sort of thing now. It's a game. And my character has friends in it. Some of those friends I am friends with. But I tend to be very careful about that sort of thing.
NJ62
Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:18 am
#37
The correct way to address someone who is cross-dressing is by the pronoun that corresponds to the clothing at that time, not to the actual gender. I see no difference in this game.
Now, as for guys who are all mad when they discover that their object of affection is a male IRL, well maybe they shouldn't be acting so improperly in the first place. This is an MMO which is played by many different people, including children. You never have any guarantee that the person to whom you are speaking is who he or she says.
Speak to everyone in game politely and respectfully, as if that person is your mother. Hey, it could be!
Now, as for guys who are all mad when they discover that their object of affection is a male IRL, well maybe they shouldn't be acting so improperly in the first place. This is an MMO which is played by many different people, including children. You never have any guarantee that the person to whom you are speaking is who he or she says.
Speak to everyone in game politely and respectfully, as if that person is your mother. Hey, it could be!
Esharra
Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:35 am
#38
Shaizann wrote:
Interestingly, I'd be intereseted to know if any of the RL ladies here has tried to play a male toon. I can say that it's unlikely that anybody has ever said, "OMG, he's a girl..you...you...uh...Tina!" I've played female characters before and it provides an interesting perspective on things. I quickly learned that that killer flirt line most guys think they have, really sounds bad.
Shail..I think you've met Carenzi, that debonair, metrosexual Bothan tailor and interior decoratoron Chilastra who tries his best to keep Esharra out of trouble. While I have had secondary male characters in other games (AC & AO), Carenzi is the first that I've roleplayed long-term as a male.
Some guys have voiced discomfort with the idea that there is a girl driving him but no one has ever gotten overly-defense or nasty about it. As mentioned before, guys tend to treat me with greater respect and possessing of higher intelligence when I'm on Carenzi. I thinkit is easier for them to relate to him than to Esh. This may go back to that "pretty cheerleader" thing and a desire to believe thatsome girls are braindead.
One of my more fun RP experiences in SWG with Carenzi came about while waiting at the Entha starport for the shuttle. There were 4 guys there who didn't know me and a girl who knows I am Carenzi. The guys were coming on to the girl pretty hard and it was obvious that she was feeling a little uncomfortable. By the time the shuttle finally arrived, Carenzi had the girl and left the other guys wondering what had happened.
Something you may find interesting in terms of a "sociological exercise" is that while guys don't seem to mind a male character as a tailor, a lot of them ask if I'm male or female IRL when it comes to arranging decorating contracts. In that context, they are obviously more comfortable with knowing there's a girl behind the wheel.
Dreamland
Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:36 am
#39
Having built a male character as well i didn't find that i got treated all that different except in the case of being invited to do combat related things. And of course not being propositioned by anyone, but thats a given. I remember when i was an aspiring dancer/pistoleer trying to find hunting groups, and yes this was when people grouped. I usualy was driven halfway to the point of being in tears from people ignoring me when i'd ask for a group. Many woudln't even respond or take the time to come up with a lame excuse, but rather just walk away. With a male character you dont even have to ask, just walk around with a menacing looking weapon and you get unsolicited group invites all the time. Mind you something good did come out of it because i met the most longtime in gamefriend i've had while feeling pretty sorry for myself on endor because everyone was ignoring me as usual.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-26-2004 12:45 PM