Dancer Archive
Thread: Girls, does it ever bother you?
KaiaClodgah
Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:22 pm
#14
*giggles at Pappi* That's a very good point, I didn't think of that.
And I can't believe that some servers actually have people who are rude enough to call female player's "Todd"s!! Is that reportable as harassment?
kirah_ashlin
Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:57 pm
#15
I don't know - "tod' is theGaelic word for fox after all (andtoddmeans foxhunter if I remember correctly). . . . 
LyteFoot
Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:07 pm
#16
I think the term "a todd" is more general than just this game. It's general because there are a lot of guys playing female toons, something I've never really understood, and there are a lot of young males playing the game who still aren't secure in themselves or in how to interact with a female.
I hate the way so many guys treat a female when the accept that it is a real one. It is the whole annonymity thing and the fact they still don't know how to interact with a female. What I do find interesting on the other side is how sweet all the ladies are to the few of us who are old enough to show proper respect. I guess it is because we are rare and although I hate that for you ladies it's a pretty sweet deal for me.
The other thing I don't understand is the cyber thing. Whether in person or remote those are acts that involve a lot of emotion. Without some understanding of and care for the person involved it can be very hollow actions. I think that just goes to the immaturity as well and shows they still haven't figured out the whole interpersonal aspect of life yet.
So don't give up ladies there are a few of us out there who are mature enough to be decent and to treat you as equals because of who you are not what you are.
I hate the way so many guys treat a female when the accept that it is a real one. It is the whole annonymity thing and the fact they still don't know how to interact with a female. What I do find interesting on the other side is how sweet all the ladies are to the few of us who are old enough to show proper respect. I guess it is because we are rare and although I hate that for you ladies it's a pretty sweet deal for me.
The other thing I don't understand is the cyber thing. Whether in person or remote those are acts that involve a lot of emotion. Without some understanding of and care for the person involved it can be very hollow actions. I think that just goes to the immaturity as well and shows they still haven't figured out the whole interpersonal aspect of life yet.
So don't give up ladies there are a few of us out there who are mature enough to be decent and to treat you as equals because of who you are not what you are.
Dreamland
Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:28 pm
#17
A todd. Can't say i've ever heard that one. You all certainly do things strangely on tarquinas, from todds, to topless weddings with a leetspeaking priest.
Tralmek
Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:31 am
#18
FuschiaD wrote:
I get called a Todd so, SO much. (Todd being the Tarquinas term for a male playing a female character.) It infuriates me. Maybe that's really stupid... but it does. I am a female, both in-game and in real life. Just because I'm a gamer does not mean I have a donker, thankyouverymuch.It shocks me how many men assume I'm a dude. One night Ava was out with her now-husband, and two guys from a rebel guild came across us... and rather than just asking - or even commenting - if I was a Todd, he simply referred to me by a male name... called me James the entire time he was harassing us. I was so pissed off.
It seems like there's no in-between in this game. If I'm really a girl, obviously I'm dying to cyber with every male in the game. If I'm not willing to cyber, I must obviously be a dude. *rolls her eyes*
If I recall correctly, Ava certified herself as not a Todd during her wedding ceremony... 
Dreamland
Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:12 am
#19
Todd is one of those names that if i repeat it over and over in my mind it sounds weirder and weirder everytime i say it. To the point it sounds phoneticaly confusing almost. Try repeating it in your head about 50 times, you'll see.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 11-26-2004 02:13 AM
Panthu
Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:36 am
#20
One thing I noticed early on in SWG is that I got accused of being a rl male a lot more than I ever have in any other game. So, it was sort of a shock for me at first. It seems odd to me because I know so many rl females play SWG so your chances of meeting an rl female should actually be higher in this game. Then it occurred to me that it is probably because there is such a large female identity in SWG. Most people think of Dancer as a "female" and at least slightly "sexual" role, so I guess it's just on their minds a lot more. *shrug* I've also never been propositioned to cyber as much in any other game as I am here. Maybe this is just a normal adjustment period for introducing "female" roles?
Totally random bit of sharing - I often call my rl male ig friends "she" forever even after I've been told about their rl status if I met them in a female role. I have to make a really strong effort to stop and usually only do so after some serious begging (or threatening
)on their part. 
Pthalio
Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:27 am
#21
I personally have never been accused of being male in RL. I've always gotten good responces
to being a girl and have never been doubted. The one thing that I have had though is the blanket
statement that only 'fat, ugly girls' play games and that if i have an attractive toon its because
i'm unattractive in real life and i'm compensting in some way. I've had a few people come into the
cantina and accuse the entertainers of thisNow i'm not saying i'm a stone
cold hottie in real life or anything but i find it upsetting when anyone broadly assumes anything about me
or anyone else.
FuschiaD
Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:57 am
#22
The term 'Todd' is specific to Tarquinas, I've never heard that term applied to men who play female characters anywhere else. Reachwind about summed it up, the term got coined when one of the prominent 'female' characters, who took great pains to assure everyone that she was female IRL, was discovered to be a man IRL named Todd. I think it's an amusing term... my guild co-leader has a female Zabrak alt, and her guildtitle is 'omgwt f Todd'. But I just hate assumptions in any form. And anyone who talks to me longer than five minutes knows that I am most definitely NOT a man. 
Esharra
Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:17 am
#23
Panthu wrote:
Maybe this is just a normal adjustment period for introducing "female" roles?
Perhaps...but overall, it seems to me that most of the ridiculous assumptions that are made about women in real life are more pronounced in the game world. It's as if the Game Gods said, "let's just make them all that much stupider when playing".
Not only have I known a higher percentage of female toons in SWG than in other MMOGs I've played but there is very obviously a higher percentage of female players behind the toons. Do I get hit on more in SWG because the guys think they're more likely to get lucky with the higher percentage of females? Or is it that the guys perceive me as "looser" because of the nature of my professions?
I often call my rl male ig friends "she" forever even after I've been told about their rl status if I met them in a female role.
I do this too..even when OOC. I've yet to have another player ask me to refer to them as their RL gender as opposed to their in-game gender. But then, I refer to my guy toons in 3rd person as he, him, &c because I like the detachment.(Esharra doesn't take orders for Carenzi..she tells the customer to send him an e-mail).
Then Y'Kari wrote:
i find it upsetting when anyone broadly assumes anything about me or anyone else.
Maybe I've just become more calloused to it but they don't bother me much. I usually just shrug them off and tell them their assumption is ridiculous. And yeah..I always tell them..can't help myself..I'm like the idiot police or something.
RareGem
Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:41 am
#24
God it annoys me!
I have to admit I tend to jump down people's throats when they call me "he" or "dude". Its as if they dont think girls even know what the internet is! Scares them even more when i tell them I have a degree in computer programing 
Its just the mentality, girls dont play games, they deffinetly dont play games with guns in them! hehe
I've had to prove myself on Team speak too.. mostly because someone accused me of being my RL husband's alt 
On the other hand I have met some female toons played by guys who I would never of guessed they wherent what they appeared to be, even though I know their real names I cant help refering to them as "she" 
DraconianOne
Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:16 am
#25
There was a player on FarStar who used to have a line in her bio saying "Yes I am a female in real life - please stop asking".
I couldn't resist so I added the line to the bio of my toon - an ageing, overweight, green haired, unmistakably male character - "No, I'm not a woman in real life - please stop asking"
I couldn't resist so I added the line to the bio of my toon - an ageing, overweight, green haired, unmistakably male character - "No, I'm not a woman in real life - please stop asking"
Shaizann
Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:19 am
#26
Interestingly, I'd be intereseted to know if any of the RL ladies here has tried to play a male toon. I can say that it's unlikely that anybody has ever said, "OMG, he's a girl..you...you...uh...Tina!" I've played female characters before and it provides an interesting perspective on things. I quickly learned that that killer flirt line most guys think they have, really sounds bad.
I suggest that for an interesting sociology exercies that everyone take an opposite RL gender character up for at least a play session. It can be an interesting learning experince.