Dancer Archive
Thread: the new dance on TC
Rabenschwinge wrote:
Are these 400k XP so much to ask for? Even if you play rather seldom it shouldn't take more than a month to earn them... that wouldn't be too much to ask for.
Well it wouldn't if the dance wasn't broken... and all the dances we already have weren't broken, incomplete or simply ugly knitted together in the five minutes before lunch break.
Actually, I'd say that it is. Many new items have been added for the crafting classes. Scrolls are earned at easy and hard quests alike. Heck, some are just given as "Extra new content", like all the new Droids (QFE: ALL the new droids)
So, for us to get one new dance, just one, and have to pay XP for it is simply ludicrous.
At least, that's my opinion
Panthu wrote:
I have not yet asked about this since I just found out about the XP Req myself, but I had the same thought when I saw it. Unfortunately, I don't think you would like the answer that I would get if I did ask and I'm not even sure that I should ask about it given the answers we have been given in the Corr Forum on FS/Jedi path as Ents.
We have been told to "respec" our chars for the Village... Entertainers have been excluded on purpose and you are only meant to go through the Village as an Artisan, Medic, or Combatant. It's not even about us being non-Combat at this point, it's about us not being the right kind of non-Combat to be included. We have to "respec" to Medic or Artisan for a non-Combat FS Path and Village Content.
That is completely mind boggling for myself as well considering that we were told over and over again that this content would include everyone. Once again, "everyone" doesn't seem to mean Ents.
The snubbing over the Village Content still has me feeling very frustrated. I appreciate that the Devs feel like we are a special and unique group of Professions and Playstyles in the Ent Community, I'm just ready to see it starting to work in our favor. Up until this point, it seems to only be alienating and excluding us from fun parts of the game with out offering us any unique attention or rewards in return.
The rare bones we are thrown in the way of these Ent Quests or Ent Droids are just very hard to appreciate considering that they have little to do with our actual requests and feedback in their finished forms. Sort of like the whole ID Stat Migration Mess, uhg, what a twisting of an ID request that was.
Anyway, yeah, go let them know about any and all of your concerns dealing with these Quests in the Feedback thread linked to above. Do not hold back, please mention all of your concerns, do be polite though.
I am, for the first time, angry about a decsion the devs have made. Why, oh why, would we be consciencely excluded from the village like this? Why would thely ask us to 'respec' and give up our chosen playstyle when no other set of professions has the same requirement? Do they genuinely just not know what to do with us in the way of content?
Panthu, you have said it best, when does our classification as being special help us and not hinder us. I understand that given these social classes do not fit a traditional mold for games they are a tad tough to come up with something for. However, countless solid ideas have been paraded through these forums by our membership to aid in their design process.
If they were going to exclude us from this then it would have been nice to have been told ahead of time that this was not for us. Yes, there would have been discontent, but at least we would have known. In my opinion that is far better than having been somewhat strung along all this time. It is not content for 'everyone' after all..is it?
Coupled with this there is the issue of the new dance being broken in the same manner as ones before it. If they don't know how to fix the Formal/Lyrical bug then why did they build the new dance around the same idea? I think folks would have been happier with Poplock 3 than another non-viewable form of Lyrical (Although I like the poplocks for me since they're masculine, in my opinion). At least Poplock 3 would be useable.
Yes, I know Novice Medic is only 15 skill points and I could go about the FS quests that way, but it means I have to give up most of my Dance ability for it. Frankly, between that and the fact that the bonues in the senses tree are lackluster anywayI am leftfrustrated. I also believe there is an inherent contradtition in allowing Entertainer experince to be converted to FS experince, but then consciencely exclude us from the village.
Panthu, I'd appreicate it if you could ask about the experinece expenditure requirement so we could at least hear why they think it is needed.
(Yes, I did get an earful about this from her on TC!)Message Edited by NewJedi on 09-20-2004 04:10 PM
And the sad part is, that's 100 percent accurate at this point
DarkY0da wrote:
As it is the Aurillian plant seems to have more care and time put into it then we do.
Shaizann wrote:
Panthu, I'd appreicate it if you could ask about the experinece expenditure requirement so we could at least hear why they think it is needed.
if this is true, then will we even be viable in 12 months? I mean, why fly back to Theed to see live entertainers if you can just walk up to one of the 18 jedi standing around at the MOP on dant and do something crazy like TIP THEM FOR HEALING BATTLE FATIGUE and run along your merry way......
and if this is true, that just makes jedi the profession that:
doesn't need weaponsmiths
doesn't need armorsmiths
doesn't need tailors (one set of clothes)
doesn't need entertainers
doesn't need help hunting
doesn't need a medic or doctor
so they gave jedi to (at least) 50% of the population within 12-18 months.....and with it will fade away all hope of keeping the interdependencies of the game's professions alive.....
Electro wrote:And the sad part is, that's 100 percent accurate at this point
DarkY0da wrote:As it is the Aurillian plant seems to have more care and time put into it then we do.
And with the fruit they produce, they're more valuable than entertainers, too.
I got to the fourth mission in the quest before I had to log. I spoke with some other dancers who were there doing the same thing and one of them said he was about 123k into the 400k xp requirement. I asked him how long it took him to get that much xp and he said about three hours. Is that normal or were we having a miscommunication? There was no huge ent group so we weren't getting that big of a bonus. 123k in three hours really doesn't seem all that bad... thats like three or four play sessions for me... maybe a week and a half at most to get the whole 400k.
I know Iosan isn't getting near that much... but she is only a novice musician. When you are Master is the amount of xp you earn for the high level dances that much more? I'll be watching that if I get the chance to finish the quest, but I thought I would ask in the meantime.
If so, spending a week and a half to "learn/practice" a new dance step doesn't seem like that much. It would take me much longer IRL! 
In fact, its taken me my whole life just to learn how to dance like a dorky white girl! ...I'll have to look at that base dance again and see if there are any similarities. Oh, on a side note I really like the system messages and the big yellow "[SUCCESS]" you get when you complete a quest. It is a silly, possibly pointless, little part of the quest but it caused happy hand clapping and excitement when I saw it. Yes! Success! I rock!
Message Edited by Vorpaks on 09-21-2004 12:30 PM
Panthu wrote:
We have been told to "respec" our chars for the Village... Entertainers have been excluded on purpose and you are only meant to go through the Village as an Artisan, Medic, or Combatant. It's not even about us being non-Combat at this point, it's about us not being the right kind of non-Combat to be included. We have to "respec" to Medic or Artisan for a non-Combat FS Path and Village Content.
That is completely mind boggling for myself as well considering that we were told over and over again that this content would include everyone. Once again, "everyone" doesn't seem to mean Ents.
The snubbing over the Village Content still has me feeling very frustrated. I appreciate that the Devs feel like we are a special and unique group of Professions and Playstyles in the Ent Community, I'm just ready to see it starting to work in our favor. Up until this point, it seems to only be alienating and excluding us from fun parts of the game with out offering us any unique attention or rewards in return.
Well, as a Dancer from dayone I can recite a little bit of what I did and what I intend to do. I held Master Dancer as my only Master from July 2003, got the badge for it when badges came out too. They gave out the late December Holocrons and I decided to take a break from Dancer to play a few other professions. Not being a PvP type of person I found the combat in the game to be new and exciting, but never wanted to master all those combat professions. So I did the rest and got a better understanding for how the crafting and other non-combat ones worked. I've Mastered Dancerfive times so far, most of them on my primary server of Scylla. I decided that I was going to master a single combat profession in the end by the time Publish 10 came out.
Now I have my single Combat Profession and Master Dancer. And I'm not dropping Dancer again, the odds of me dropping it are..... (Never tell me the odds). So I intend to play with my Force Sensitive Master Dancer Jedi, I just hope that I don't get too many idiot Bounty Hunters looking for me. If it were the movies,the Bounty Hunter would show up and attack the Dancer, the Dancer would flee and there would be a whole room of angry cantina patrons to stare down the bad guy.
To all you Bounty Hunters out there, I don't want to fight you, and I'll make sure I spend my skill points on Jedi things that allow me to not have to fight you. So please, please leave me alone..... It wouldn't be a problem if not for the visibility bug. Though if it gets bad enough I'll have to learn how to Lightsaber Dance