Dancer Archive

The inspiration buffs only give 10% increase to XP, but the group I hunt with always like to get them. They never tip me and that's fine. I do it because it's fun and they are my friends.

When I made ace pilot they got to have some fun in return. They -gave- me a FireSpray, fully equiped.

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Panthu wrote:

This is why I am thrilled BF is going away. Thrilled thrilled thrilled! I don't want to heal jerks like this. *points up*

... and you know what? I don't want to buff them either! I don't want to have a darned thing they need/want! So I also totally support all of our new buffs being 100% non-combat only. Sure, there are plenty of power gamer crafters, but they don't craft by hand every few hours. They won't need a bot for 24/7 access to the bonuses we could give them.

The thing is, I agree with the jerk. Socializing shouldn't have to be a part of everyone's game just because we like it. Just like everyone isn't forced to be PvP enabled just because PvPers would like it. You should be able to opt out of the Cantina downtime if it's not your bag.

I think we need some improvements on the Cantinas themselves so that they can really function like they are intended to, as a gathering place and social hub... BUT I do not want it tied to me and my playstyle so that other players can say they are being forced to provide my content.

No thanks. I don't care how many creds you give me, I probably don't want to talk to you anyway. Not IC. Not OOC.

Bring on the Ent Updates! I'm ready to be done with this crowd!

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Knight776 wrote:

You sure got feisty since you went glowy.

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I always wanted to be considered an outlaw... now that I've been called one of the "bad" ones, I'm thinking about just going whole hog with it. I might start RPing cussing and spitting! It's kind of exciting!

Maybe I'll pick up Smuggler again so I can be a full Bad Seed Dancer! Mwahaha! /cusses /spits

There is no room in my world view for a cussing Panthu..

/panic

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MissDrusilla wrote:

I hate to say it but alot of you prove his/her/it's point. As a Grand Master Entertainer in the making i am part of the Entertainer community and i do oftensee alot of stuck up Entertainers who dont talk to people that come inwho dont tip them right away. So its unsurprising people outside the community that begrudgingly come in only know this side of it. On the other side of that coin there are people who come in and dont want to socialize even if engaged,.

I myself have had alot of bad experiences in Cantinas on my combat chars, i think as long as i've played i've been ignored when i come into a cantina and try to talk to dancers, so i can see where people come from, but i became a dancer because its fun to be, i dont need to be watched by people who rather not deal with the scene, i'd rather dance with my friends, the few entertainer friends i've made since i became one myself. It has been hard to find training, i've had to end up going to a npc but maybe its just bad luck meeting the bad element of the entertainer community on bria and Eclipse.

As a side note, i have to say pathu you are making us look bad, i dont think we were ever called any names and you called him/her jerk alot through out your post. The truth can be painful, Dancers where treated badly in the Star Wars universe alot, treated as sex objects, fed to rancors etc but we should have our dignity and not need to stoop to name calling opposing veiws.

PS> I agree with both of you though, Forcing people into Cantina's its bad, let people come out of their own choice, i know for me personally i dont care if im tipped or not i'd just like people to want to be in there and socialize with me and my few entertainer friends, it tends to get boring when in the forced atmosphere and it makes me and the other people i hang out in a certain cantina with just go AFK alot.

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People who go into the cantina and "get ignored" are typically not being ignored. Just as you say you've tried to talk to dancers and you've been "ignored," you're making the same mistake.

These people are very likely NOT ignoring you.

They're AFK without their AFK tag up. They stand around, no AFK tag, you try to talk to them but they don't respond. It's very easy to do with a macro, you just make a looping macro that does /afk, a pause for like 10 minutes, then another /afk. The trick is - you start the macro while AFK. That way, the macro flips from AFK to not AFK, then when it comes back around, it sets you AFK then not AFK quickly again. The end result is the Entertainer performs while AFK, but without an AFK tag up.

Some of these folks pop in at random times, and might talk to their friend - so it seems like they're ignoring you.

I'm not saying there aren't stuck up Entertainers, but personally I've met very few. Usually the people who seem like they're "there" and are ignoring you are actually just AFK. And maybe, sometimes, they'll "wake up" and talk to someone they know.

I don't think I've ever met any Entertainer who won't talk to someone until they tip them. Ever. Typically a "tip" comes after service is provided to someone. If an Entertainer finally says something to you after you've tipped, but not before, it's much more likely that they:

1. Have no idea you're watching or listening to them

2. Very easily may have not seen that you said something to them.

3. Were talking in groupchat and not paying attention, or were checking some email, and when you tipped them a System Message popped up and they then said thank you for you tipping them.

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XStarbracer wrote:

The problem now is what its always been the "real" entertainers. These Changes make Dancer gameplay more fun, but you need more? you need to Force people to come in and pay you obscene amounts of money just to get you to talk to them because they are on some silly highest tippers list? Ents need to get over themselves, Everyone but you 'real' Entertainers know your role in the grand scheme of things, have fun enjoy yourself in your chosen profession but dont start thinking you need to be the center of the universe and forcing people to come into your cantina's solves anything. I have better things to do as do most people then to go into a cantina and get ignored until i start tipping big, most people would rather go to a bot. This game is about Star Wars, and even in Star Wars Dancers were regarded as background. Jabba got bored with his favorite dancer he fed her to the rancor. Socializing in cantinas will NEVER be the focus of SWG, its about Combat and the crafting machine that enables the combat.

Get over yourself and just enjoy your profession, dont whine because people dont need you, you and your customers will have a much better time coming to a cantina because they want to come be there. Buffbots arent to blame, its the Real Entertainers that spawned the problem.

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I'll enjoy the day thoroughly when I don't have to deal with people that have attitudes like yours. You say we need to get over ourselves, yet you come in here telling us "how it is" and who is to blame for what happened to our professions?

I think you should get over yourself. I don't care who you think is to blame for what happened - real Entertainers or buffbots or whoever. You're WRONG. It's the DEVS who should be to blame, if anyone. They allowed a negative atmosphere to perpetuate throughout the Entertainer professions until people like you get an attitude, and a misperception, that we're egotistical or something.

I don't know what AFK buffbot wouldn't talk to you, that wasn't flying an AFK tag because they reversed their AFK macro to appear at the keyboard, but they weren't ignoring you - oh no...don't give yourself that much credit, or make yourself out to be so victimized by a live Entertainer. You were the victim of buffbots just the same as we were - and your negative perspective of Entertainers is the result.

I'm not angry with you, I'm not irritated - I feel sorry for you, because some macro turned you against Entertainers, and I hope someday the people who DO enjoy these professions will make you realize what we're really about. Yes, there are players with attitudes just like any profession. But everything you describe sounds like you were victimized by a buffbot masquerading as a live Entertainer (no live Ent uses 'high tippers lists' because real Ents appreciate ANY tip because they're few and far between and based on the person's personal wealth - 100 credits sounds like nothing until you only have 150 credits to your name, and trust me if anyone understands being broke it's Entertainers).

I hope that someday you can enjoy our professions for what they REALLY are and what they should have been all of this time, and not how they're represented due to some macro.

Best of luck to you. I look forward to a bright and happy future without the attitudes you just presented in this thread.

Message Edited by Warryyr on 06-21-2005 01:23 AM

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picklesSW wrote:
The entertainment professions are inhabited by burn victims. They've been lied to, patronized, ignored, marginalized and screwed over multiple times by the dev team. It is unrealistic to ask them to buy into (and you'll forgive me here) yet another song and dance from the dev team about how this time, they'll do it right. If their words are met with skepticism, then that is what they have reaped from 2+ years of empty promises and ignorance.

The existence of this thread does not shock me at all. What shocks me is that more people aren't demanding further information about what is coming down the line to compensate for this change, and that fellow players are telling them to believe in the devs, that everything will be fine.

Either they have a crapload more information than I do, or they're smoking some really good stuff and ought to be passing it around.

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I have to say I fully agree with you. As much as I would like to be positive and cheerful about the upcoming changes, I have learned not to trust in the devs doing the right and decent thing. I will be glad about any positive additions we get (and the announced changes don't hold all THAT many of those yet), but I'll believe in them when I see them and I do not intend to give the Developers the benefit of the doubt. I'm thankful to JFreeman for talking clearly to the players (everyone else who did that didn't have a long future in SOE so far, so I hope he'll stay on the team), he seems like a nice bloke. But to me that doesn't mean that now all of sudden SOE as a whole is eager to treat all professions in this game fairly.

As an aside, let's not forget that entertainers aren't the only "burn victims" in the history of SWG. Think smugglers, squad leaders, rangers, politicians, etc. That's very telling in and of itself, and actually supports this sadly negative point of view. SOE isn't out "to get us", they don't have a personal vendetta against entertainers, they are just incompetent when it comes to coming up with a design plan, sticking to that plan, and keeping promises in general.

You know it just amazes me how the Dancer Forum can carry on a decent conversation while other forums in SWG do not seem able to do that!

Thank you everybody that has responded. I appreciate you all taking your time to write back. I also have had a lot of input here that I didn't see before. While I have not changed by base opinion, I do respect all the opinions expressed here today and have learned somethings as well.

Thanks everybody!

Kandi Flyer

Master Dancer

The problem is that the way things were presented is that BF is being removed (a huge function currently) and that X will be added at some point. It leaves thesituation too vague to be reassuring. This makes it hard for those who are barely hanging in there to keep that tenuous grip on the ledge. I'm hopeful that the X will indeed be a huge bonus because it will need to be something truely amazing to resurrect a dying profession. But I also understand the dejection felt by many with this announcement. If details can't be provided for whatever reason, even something as vague as "we want entertainers to be able to enjoy all that the Galaxy has to offer without having to become indentured servants to the combat professions and we're working on adding new and unique opportunities" might help reassure those who are struggling. Day in and day out I watch more and more AFK robots clutter the entrance to the cantina and more and more patrons run in, stand there for a moment and then leave. It's not fun no matter how many times I joke about my intimidating greeting that strikes fear into the very soul of Dark Jedi and makes them run for their lives. It's easier to have hope when you think the future of the profession is going in a direction that you'll find fun. We've had a tough road and some"retractions" (afkability going away for example) so it's no surprise that this announcement has angered some. I know I'm going to be keeping a close watch on the issue and on my token respec.

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XStarbracer wrote:

The problem now is what its always been the "real" entertainers. These Changes make Dancer gameplay more fun, but you need more? you need to Force people to come in and pay you obscene amounts of money just to get you to talk to them because they are on some silly highest tippers list? Ents need to get over themselves, Everyone but you 'real' Entertainers know your role in the grand scheme of things, have fun enjoy yourself in your chosen profession but dont start thinking you need to be the center of the universe and forcing people to come into your cantina's solves anything. I have better things to do as do most people then to go into a cantina and get ignored until i start tipping big, most people would rather go to a bot. This game is about Star Wars, and even in Star Wars Dancers were regarded as background. Jabba got bored with his favorite dancer he fed her to the rancor. Socializing in cantinas will NEVER be the focus of SWG, its about Combat and the crafting machine that enables the combat.

Get over yourself and just enjoy your profession, dont whine because people dont need you, you and your customers will have a much better time coming to a cantina because they want to come be there. Buffbots arent to blame, its the Real Entertainers that spawned the problem.

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REAL Entertainers do not have "highest tippers" lists... bots and zombies do.

REAL Entertainers don't ignore patrons... bots and zombies do. Now it may sometimes SEEM that you are being ignored by a REAL Entertainer, but this can be due to many reasons:

• AFK SPAM... if either you or the REAL Entertainer does not have alll the spamming zombies & bots/addignored, it can be hard to spot a /greet or a "hi" among the flood of "tip me, watch me" spam.


• They may be chatting in group chat, guild chat or /tells.


• They may be reading emails or doing something with their inventory or other windows.


• They may be helping some aspiring ID gain xp.

REAL Entertainers have had their cantina experience so ruined by the presence of bots and zombies that it is hard to find one in the crowd of zombies that hang around the typical NPC cantina.