Dancer Archive
Thread: Dancers to be rendered superfluous to game play
Esharra wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
Yeah, this is just part of the stuff
QFE
We are going through a revamp. I'm sure many would love for it to come as a all-in-one-patch kind of thing. Frankly, I want it in parts over several patches. This way is much more manageable from a QA perspective. This is going to take a while but I think our roughest road is behind us now.
Wonderful to hear, thanks 
Also, keeping things in pieces will allow any possible bugs with new stuff (stop chuckling) to get the focus they need to be fixed, before new stuff comes along that might be bugged. This way, we might have smaller pieces worked through until they're all working right, instead of one massive publish with 40 new things, and 15 of them remain bugged because there wasn't enough time to dedicate to fixing everything until a more pressing fix/change/revamp takes precendence.
I think it's a smart move to keep these spaced out, so long as people are continually reminded this is the case - so there isn't the "is this IT? OH NO!" panic that comes with smaller changes over a longer term.
Ikewe wrote:
The problem is that the way things were presented is that BF is being removed (a huge function currently) and that X will be added at some point. It leaves thesituation too vague to be reassuring.
Panthu, I think part of the problem is that even the current inspiration enhancement has been confusing so any talk of additions sounds like an "if" rather than a plan.(I'm hopefulthat they are a reality I'm just trying to offer a rationale forwhy some are worried) At one point I asked for clarification on exactly what the inspiration buff affected because in a patch note there was indication that more had been added. I never heard (I'll freely admit I might have missed it). There was talk that the current inspiration would be reduced to 5% - I think there was even a post from Tiggs sayingit was being reduced. As a result some players think it has been reduced and so call it worthless.
Even the messages about afk have been contradictory. First we were told they were removing the ability completely. Then we heard that they saw a use for some level of afk. Now we hear they want to make it so that no one wants to be afk. I completely understand that in any complex system there must be fluidity and plans have to change. But again, it's the contradictory statements that have led people to lose hope.
I'm all for step-wise changes rather than one big "turn the world upside down" profession revamp. I'm just saying, given the current state of things, and what brought us here, it's completely understandable that hearing "all healing functions are being removed from entertainers" would lead many entertainers to think their playstyle is being phased out.
Warryyr wrote:0040 Musician = use different songs, but no instruments aside from Entertainer 0404
Which might matter, other than for the bandfill, if the instruments you got at musician actually sounded different. As it is, the only non-master unique sound in the entire 16-box musician elite tree is the bandfill. That's pretty sad. And it doesn't seem like that will be changing.
THIS is the kind of thing the devs need to deal with in the revamp.
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The existence of this thread does not shock me at all. What shocks me is that more people aren't demanding further information about what is coming down the line to compensate for this change, and that fellow players are telling them to believe in the devs, that everything will be fine.
Either they have a crapload more information than I do, or they're smoking some really good stuff and ought to be passing it around.
XStarbracer wrote:
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XStarbracer wrote:-insert a bunch of selfish drivel here-
IMO this will be one of the best changes of having no BF -- keeping people like this fine, upstanding gent out of the cantinas so we don't have to deal with their abuse (or their bots).
XStarbracer wrote:
The problem now is what its always been the "real" entertainers. These Changes make Dancer gameplay more fun, but you need more? you need to Force people to come in and pay you obscene amounts of money just to get you to talk to them because they are on some silly highest tippers list? Ents need to get over themselves, Everyone but you 'real' Entertainers know your role in the grand scheme of things, have fun enjoy yourself in your chosen profession but dont start thinking you need to be the center of the universe and forcing people to come into your cantina's solves anything. I have better things to do as do most people then to go into a cantina and get ignored until i start tipping big, most people would rather go to a bot. This game is about Star Wars, and even in Star Wars Dancers were regarded as background. Jabba got bored with his favorite dancer he fed her to the rancor. Socializing in cantinas will NEVER be the focus of SWG, its about Combat and the crafting machine that enables the combat.
Get over yourself and just enjoy your profession, dont whine because people dont need you, you and your customers will have a much better time coming to a cantina because they want to come be there. Buffbots arent to blame, its the Real Entertainers that spawned the problem.
This is why I am thrilled BF is going away. Thrilled thrilled thrilled! I don't want to heal jerks like this. *points up*
... and you know what? I don't want to buff them either! I don't want to have a darned thing they need/want! So I also totally support all of our new buffs being 100% non-combat only. Sure, there are plenty of power gamer crafters, but they don't craft by hand every few hours. They won't need a bot for 24/7 access to the bonuses we could give them.
The thing is, I agree with the jerk. Socializing shouldn't have to be a part of everyone's game just because we like it. Just like everyone isn't forced to be PvP enabled just because PvPers would like it. You should be able to opt out of the Cantina downtime if it's not your bag.
I think we need some improvements on the Cantinas themselves so that they can really function like they are intended to, as a gathering place and social hub... BUT I do not want it tied to me and my playstyle so that other players can say they are being forced to provide my content.
No thanks. I don't care how many creds you give me, I probably don't want to talk to you anyway. Not IC. Not OOC.
Bring on the Ent Updates! I'm ready to be done with this crowd!
Warryyr wrote:
Arturun wrote:
Warryyr wrote:
Being able to play most instruments except the Nalargon will no longer be possible with Musician 0/0/4/0. The new requirement will be 0/0/4/4.
I thought all of the certifications and schematics would be moved to the same tree.
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They are...the xxx4 branch is where all instrument certs and schems will be going.
The xx4x branch gives you the ability to play different songs.
So, as proposed for the future:
0004 Musician = use different instruments, but not songs aside from Entertainer 0404
0040 Musician = use different songs, but no instruments aside from Entertainer 0404
0044 Musician = Just as things are right now with 0040 Musician, but you get to build instruments, too.
They way you wrote your statement made it seem as if both trees would be required to play the instruments. I read your post in the Musician forums under a related topic, and I understood, but I had already posted here. You could still play most of the instruments except the Nalargon without 0/0/4/4, you just wouldn't have access to most of the songs.
Ikewe wrote:
I'd really like to see some of these "elitist" entertainers people have been referring to over the years.
You can see them just fine.
Can't really talk to them though since they're all AFK.
Which is, of course, one of the major problems -- that people consider them to be entertainers at all.
Message Edited by Doriana on 06-21-2005 01:04 AM