Dancer Archive

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Esharra wrote:
So you guys have already decided you're not going to like it. Would you prefer that I ask the devs to remove our content from the expansion?

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Certainly not! Unlike the last expansion, at least this time they actually put some thought into low CL characters. Who knows, there might be something fun in it. We don't even know what it is at this point. It would be premature to ask for it to be removed without even knowing what's there. Besides, how would that look to the devs if we complain about not getting content, and then complain when they do give us something?

Lol..I know exactly how it looks to the devs when they see threads like this and others that show absolutely no appreciation for what they have given us. Why should they even want to give us more?

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Esharra wrote:
Would you prefer that I ask the devs to remove our content from the expansion?

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Esharra wrote:
So you guys have already decided you're not going to like it. Would you prefer that I ask the devs to remove our content from the expansion?

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This is by far the most frustrating element of dealing with the developers of this game. I have never seen its like.

The developers require us to respond to them as if they are infallible. Yes, that is exactly what they want. When they add something to the game, no matter how poorly-thought-out, buggily implemented, or undesirable it is, their attitude is we should like it because they worked hard on it -- they want an A for effort.

Sorry, but as a teacher, I do not believe in giving As for effort. It's not that effort is not apprecaited, but if a student works his tail off trying to learn multiplication and still can't do 3 x 3 = 9, I would NOT give him an A in multiplication. I would tell him, "Sorry, you are not doing it right; try again." And all the protestations he might make about how hard he worked and how hard he tried would not change the fact that he still cannot multiply. I would appreciate his hard work. I might make a note of it if possible on the report card (in my school they gave you letter grades but also other marks that told your parents how hard you were trying, regardless of letter grade, for instance). But he still wouldn't get an A in multiplication.

The same goes here. When we ask the developers for new content it is with the desire for good content. It is with the desire for certain things that we are picturing in our minds as we ask for it. I mean look at the whole "remove BF and give them crafter buffs" thing. Lots of us complained about it and we were told the same line of BS, that is, "If you complain you will get nothing." The same BS of "Well didn't you want attention?" Yes of course we want attention and we want fixes, but not just ANY fix, not just ANY content. We have certain requirements and wishes for our profession, and THOSE are the changes we want. When the developers give us something else, something we did NOT ask for, I don't think it is ungrateful to protest. Particularly when we know that giving us what we did NOT want most assuredly means that there's no chance of getting what we DO want.

The question with regard to the Mustafar content is this, and I think we know the answer. Is there REAL entertainer content on the planet that will make dancers and musicians want to go there again and again,thus justifying the expenditure of $30? Or is it just a single schematic that you can only get on the planet, thus with a $30 payment, but then no other reason for going? Because if it is the latter, then what they're doing is NOT giving us "entertainer content in the expansion" but rather, adding one little bitty thing to FORCE us to buy an expansion we otherwise would not buy at all. Do you understand the difference, Eshie? Because that, at its heart, is what the entertainers are upset about. Not that there is a little content in the expansion, but that there is ONLY a little bit, a tiny bit, the teeniest bit they could put into it (as far as we can tell): a schematic, for a dance we othewise don't need the expansion to see (the animations will be generically available in the client -- they HAVE to be, else people without the expansion would get a bugged display). There are two acceptable ways and one unacceptable way to approach an expansion. Feel free to summarize this for the devs and if they get mad at it I don't care at this point. I'm a milimeter away from cancelling my account anyway. Here it is in a nutshell though:

1. No content at all, and they admit it up front so nobody wastes money. Acceptable. I save $30.

2. Solid content that will make entertainers want to return to Mustafar again and again. Acceptable -- it would be worth $30 if I spent lots of hours there.

3. A smidgeon of content that is only availble on Mustafar, but for which you only ever need to go there once, and no other reason for an entertainer to go there. UNACCEPTABLE. This forces me to literally spend $30 for a 1-shot trip to Mustafar.

The problem is, as near as we can tell, they have done #3. And THAT is why people are annoyed.

C

Actually, I think it's a pretty crappy idea for an expansion on both combat and social fronts. First of all, it offers nothing new other than the quests and a speeder. (Most of which are geared toward combatants, I'm sure. There's rarely any attention paid to alternative playstyles.) I'm not protesting the lack of entertainer content…I'm protesting the lack of gameplay period. Look at expansions for older games, such as Morrowind. That game offered entirely new worlds, species, adventures, storylines, etc in its expansions, and charged far less, if I recall correctly. Although the combat was slightly unbalanced through all of it (easy to advance and not much of a challenge at the top), the gameworld was already nearly perfect. Important fixes were made for free, and new armor, quests, and activities were patched in for free throughout the life of the game. Lately, anything new and cool for SWG has been given for free as 'vet rewards', or can only be accessed through the purchase of expansions. Alot of the things that appeal more to the 'social' types are found as loot only on Kashyyyk, and only in minor amounts, compared to what *I believe* an expansion should encompass.

JTL was an expansion. It opened the doors to new gameplay, and added an endless amount of replay value. To a lesser extent, RotW was an expansion. It offered, sort of, a new approach to the game, and a bit of replay value, although much less than JTL. This……this is not an expansion. I can't bring myself to see it as such. And for $30….I could by an entirely new game with a helluva lot more replay value than what I've seen described so far.

Yes, it is the problem. We can't critisize the Devs for fear of being shelved forever. It's a very real concern, too. If we asked that the new stuff get removed we would likely never see it again or it will be put in yet another expansion. The sad fact is this: If we told them to remove it...it would not get the response we would like. Instead of them taking notice and doing something about our myriad other issues they would just callsour grapes and we would be screwed for the foreseeable future until they're allowed to work on something thats not a Jedi/Combat Wombat centered piece of content. This has happened before, and would happen again. We don't have a big voice, we don't make money for SOE, and we're an insignificant novelty next to the power of the (Monetary) Force of Jedi content.

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CandiDance wrote:

But, the idea of telling them we don't want their "content" in this upcoming expansion may get their attention. It reminds me of all things, a movie, (I forgot the name) but it had Denzel Washington in it and they were black soldiers during some war. They were going to pay the black soldiers less than the white soldiers and so Denzel Washington says that they will take no pay at all! Then he starts screaming TEAR IT UP, which was about their pay recipet thingys. All the other soldiers start screaming TEAR IT UP! It was all about their keeping their own self-respect and it was a very kewl and emotional scene.

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I belive the movie your talking about is"Glory"

Personally I would rather have Nothing then the pittance they are offering us.. Its like offering all the conbat toons perfetly made Primerib, turning to thecrafters, and hadning them awell made stake, then tossing us some raw ground beef, and telling us to cook it ourselfs, and be happy we got something.

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Shaizann wrote:

As for me? Well I'll still likely not buy the expansion on principal. Unless the new song/dance are exquisitely exciting additions to my list of talents there is no reason for me to buy the expansion. Also... $30 bucks for a digital download only? Oi Vey, thats nuts.

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--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

I belive the movie your talking about is"Glory"

Personally I would rather have Nothing then the pittance they are offering us.. Its like offering all the conbat toons perfetly made Primerib, turning to thecrafters, and hadning them awell made stake, then tossing us some raw ground beef, and telling us to cook it ourselfs, and be happy we got something.

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Standing tall shaking our fists boldy saying we would rather take nothing rather than this pittance would not have the effect you're looking for, unforutunately. It only works if we meant something to them in the greater scheme of things, and we don't. Making an indignant stance like this wont make them stand up and take notice, it will just be one less thing on their programming 'to do' list. We're just a neat novelty, really.

Remove the content? No I'd not like that, but I would like them to put some serious thought and work into what they give the non-combat professions. It is really very easy to give combaters what they want which is more stuff to kill and more fighting quests. Quests and content for the other quests is something that takes a bit more imagination and by them just saying "oh dancers will get new props and a dance" leads people to believe that the people behind the new expansion are not going to much thought into the non-combat profession. Oh and did anyone read anything about a new song or instrument for musicians? I don't remember one. From what I read the new expansion will again focus on Combat...just as did the last one. It is a huge let down really.

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Esharra wrote:

I would absolutely love to see a lot of content aimed at us. But we are a very small percentage of the playerbase and I don't expect they would be able to justify a lot of time and attention on such a small sector. If there were more of us..sure. Ifwe had the numbers to compete with the combat professions, we could probably get anything we asked for. But I don't expect we could get those kinds of numbers without removal of sp req, which many dancershave made clear they don't want to happen.However, I am looking forward to having some new stuff.And when the time comes that I feel I need more content, I'll either change professions (doubtful) or move on to another game (not in the foreseeable future).

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Perhaps we wouldn't be such a small segment of the game population if we had some content. How many Squad Leaders are there? How many Rangers? I'll bet you 1 million credits those professions see a big jump in numbers when their new content gets added. Because they are getting real content. Not justa new urban camo muscle t-shirt and cargo pants but actual things to do in the galaxy.

I have to admit it's not that I don't want a new song or dance or whatever. My problem is that's not content. That's decoration. I'm not too keen on paying $30USD for decoration. Now if this "expansion" opens up as much exploration and potential as the TE, then yes maybe it's worth it. But I'm not a Jedi. So the brief descriptiongiven doesn't make me want to hit the "buy now" button. What would make me hit the buy now button? Let's start with actual entertainer content for the FS skills. I'm not a healer any more right? So put some dance and music FS mission/quest in there already. And let if come with a cool reward like the Bacta Tank. How about more missions like the newbie entertainer profession mission? I've got a code phrase but no place to use it. How about missions that give rewards/loot that don't require I go kill things? If I want a webweaver rug how about I dance for it instead? Give me those things and I'll be on that "buy now" button in a flash. Otherwise, the current "content" (aka dances) that I have,is serving me well.