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Thread: Pro/Anti AFK/Bot/Macro All Purpose Sticky
Naish wrote:
how long before this gets deleted.
www.buffbot.com
Wow, that's really depressing. Naish, when are you going to stop being so pro-buff bot and start being more pro-ent healing improvements?
I honestly don't now and never have cared who AFKs. *shrug* I do care about the environment being ruined for the people who are supposed to be rewarded by these profs and people thinking that this prof is so broken that it can't even work as a playable option.
I really don't understand what the fighting is about. I really don't understand being pro-bot. I do understand wanting to make Ent Healing make sense and not be a tedious pain in the bum for both sides of the need though. So there's a buff bot site. Great. It's not like it's a real secret how to make or finda bot. *shrug* It just says that Ent Healing is 100% broken and not working as intended. 
And I am pro entertainer. That's why I put up my badly colored, mis-spelled web site, because a lot of other entertainers have been asking me for my macros and asking for help with their macros.
Also, as a buffbot, hundres of paying customers use my service every day. Many of my new friends have asked me to advertise to those customers for them. So many, in fact, that it would be too much spam to advertise for them all. So instead I'll tell them to check buffbot.com for the best crafters and entertainers. BTW, i'll be advertising for at least one ATK entertainer.
So people can "Try" to find you and in many cases listen to you yell at them for wanting a buff, or they can come to me and get a 125% mind buff and hear about some of the other nice players on the server.
While im on the topic, I also work hard to keep the peace on Radiant. I get flamed by ATK purists on the occasion. I get trapped by them a lot. They drop large pets oh me so nobody can see me. In all of these cases I ask all of my customers to please not flame anyone and cause problems and I always sort it out dimplomatically.
I just come here to be mean about it.
I'm an entertainer on Radiant and I'm proud of it.
Vote for Kerry.
Naish wrote:
Oh man... I can't believe that we are still fighting over this.
And I am pro entertainer. That's why I put up my badly colored, mis-spelled web site, because a lot of other entertainers have been asking me for my macros and asking for help with their macros.
Also, as a buffbot, hundres of paying customers use my service every day. Many of my new friends have asked me to advertise to those customers for them. So many, in fact, that it would be too much spam to advertise for them all. So instead I'll tell them to check buffbot.com for the best crafters and entertainers. BTW, i'll be advertising for at least one ATK entertainer.
So people can "Try" to find you and in many cases listen to you yell at them for wanting a buff, or they can come to me and get a 125% mind buff and hear about some of the other nice players on the server.
While im on the topic, I also work hard to keep the peace on Radiant. I get flamed by ATK purists on the occasion. I get trapped by them a lot. They drop large pets oh me so nobody can see me. In all of these cases I ask all of my customers to please not flame anyone and cause problems and I always sort it out dimplomatically.
I just come here to be mean about it.
I'm an entertainer on Radiant and I'm proud of it.
Vote for Kerry.
If you are so customer oriented and you take so much pride in everything you do, you should have no problem continuing to do so AT the keyboard when they finaly get it together and stop this rediculous ability to go afk 24 hours a day. You're just going to have to put in some of that work effortthat all you buffbot owners have been saying we live ents are the ones lacking in.
You will still be able to run your website, advertise your services, atend to your customers. You will just have to do it while actualy playing. The only difference will be that you will be confined to the same restrictions thatI am as a live entertainer, as you should be.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 10-26-2004 03:39 PM
Naish wrote:
Oh man... I can't believe that we are still fighting over this.
And I am pro entertainer. That's why I put up my badly colored, mis-spelled web site, because a lot of other entertainers have been asking me for my macros and asking for help with their macros.
Also, as a buffbot, hundres of paying customers use my service every day. Many of my new friends have asked me to advertise to those customers for them. So many, in fact, that it would be too much spam to advertise for them all. So instead I'll tell them to check buffbot.com for the best crafters and entertainers. BTW, i'll be advertising for at least one ATK entertainer.
So people can "Try" to find you and in many cases listen to you yell at them for wanting a buff, or they can come to me and get a 125% mind buff and hear about some of the other nice players on the server.
While im on the topic, I also work hard to keep the peace on Radiant. I get flamed by ATK purists on the occasion. I get trapped by them a lot. They drop large pets oh me so nobody can see me. In all of these cases I ask all of my customers to please not flame anyone and cause problems and I always sort it out dimplomatically.
I just come here to be mean about it.
I'm an entertainer on Radiant and I'm proud of it.
Vote for Kerry.
There's no fight Naish, but only the sound of eyes rolling at your words.
Go on, Naish, dodge this question one more time. . What question? Why the one I ask you every time you post here, and last time in big bright easy to read letters. You vannished from the forums for a month...perhaps randomly, perhaps beacuse of it. Why don't you play a merchant?
Oops, there it is again. Why don't you play a merchant? Yes, answer the question for your own sake Naish. Why do you want to fight to have the right to run an unattended character in the game over having a merchant vendor that could could even possibly dispense other items to do what dancers currently do? Why don't you play a merchant? Perhaps even a services vendor? There's a balance to be found surely, if Dancers were given some new ability that could only be performed live, and merchants were given the ability to somehow either stock or provide what dancers used to do. Why don't you play a merchant? My guess though? All that would be playing the game in too fair a manner for you becuase you get a kick out of twisting the AFK system to run an unattended character. It would not serve your needs to have a stronger merchant class with more duties and responsibilites. Why don't you play a merchant? No a large part of what drives you is the desire to troll and make others miserable.
Now go on, prove me wrong here and respond to my question with some real suggestions about things to allow for a valued "live" player role as well as for a merchant style role that I'm guessing is what you liketo play. Why don't you play a merchant? Why do you constantly fixate on "afk" play, rather than a redesign to promote offline merchant type gameplay and in-game, real time, live services? Cause um, Naish, you don't see AFK Id's roaming about. You dont' see AFK smugglers either. There's ways the game can be changed to allow for live play side by side with crafted or other alternatives to what the live players do, and there's really no reason we NEED to have AFK factor into it. So go on, what's wrong with merchant, and why doesn't merchant appeal to you as something to play? Why twist dancer?
You know Naish, this game is based on Star Wars, the background story that has those fateful lines about how "hate" is such a terrible thing, that how "good" people like Anakin Skywalker can turn "bad"when tempted by that hateandhow evil people like Jabba the Hutttake pleasure from other's discomfort.Now you're trying to cast yourself as a hero because some people like what yo do, but tha'ts not a good standard to use.Good and evil aren't so simple. Nice people do bad things and bad people can do nice things. Its funny you say vote for Kerry, because one of the things I like most about him is he can see there ARE shades of gray and sometimes answers aren't simple.Well that's what I"m saying to you Naish. Of course you aren't the "evil emperor" sort of bad, but you Han Solo kind of good with the way you've been behaving...maybe your'e Jar Jar, cluelessly annoying but trying to do what he feels is right (but still somehow, just too stupid to realize its wrong). Now Jar Jar/Naish, listen carefully, what is wrong with merchant and why wouldnt' that work for how you want to play the game? Failure to answer the question will only confirm that you are indeed, the real world equivalent of Jar Jar, and most of us will even stop rolling our eyes at you. One doesn't expect sense or straight answers from a Gungan. They exist only to cause trouble.
Arryth wrote:
I have been in this game sence the begining and there have never been enough entertainers until buff bots, also... the fact that mind pool is un healable makes the mind buff essential, it does not "hurt" the game. What hurts the game is the loss of the greater part of the gcw, no working battle firlds, no feelign that something is going on around the characters. Removing buff bots will hurt the play experience of the majority for the sake of the small minoraty.
So we are not allowed to enjoy the benifits of out profession? Wrong. I see you're a Master Doctor. Would you take that stance if someone figured out a macro so you couldn't sell your buffs? It's not like we get the seconday benifit of healing the mind during combat like a doctor gets the benifit of healing heath and action during combat either.
I was in coronet doing the dancer quest and it was a pain in the butt just to get people to watch me. Why? All the potential customers went straight to the back to the buffbot. I'd say "Hi" to them and they rushed paste me like they saw a begger in the street as if to say...
"If I don't acknowledge her, I won't feel obligated to tip. I'll just run past her, join the buffbot group and tip the buffbot 100 cr. After all, why should they get paid? They arn't even playing. Oh hey 'IpwnedU' *wave to IpwnedU*, Guess what. I had to pay 3 million for a new AV-21 because my old one got trashed".
LyteFoot wrote:
I won't fault anyone for simply trying to keep in the game with brief RL interuptions. Especially as one friend is trying to relevel dance again after trying out ID.
Oh..not faulting anyone..just asking what arethe reasons people have for unattended play. Before it gets suggested, I'm not even willing to imply any hypocrisy on anyone's part. I just simply would like to understand why.
(Regardless of other's reasons, I'll still sitmy chardown when I take a bio break or get up for a soda, as I did when releveling dancer and entertainer..not looking to be convinced of anything here.Just because it makes more sense to me to do it my way doesn't mean I expect it of others either. I would just like to hear the rational that others have for it.)
I suggest we find some middle ground and promote one idea together.
-- The Problem --
Master Dancer + Master Musician are not always going to be around when you need them.
-- Solution --
When ATK entertainers are available they should be the logical choice for healing and buffs. This could be accomplised by enabling ATK entertainers to give longer and/or stronger buffs. Perhaps even controlling the balance of the focus/willpower/mind buff.
Bot's like mine should fill the gap when ATK players aren't around.
-- Benefit --
ATK Players - You guys can have your profession back.
AFK Players - We can play the way we want to.
Combat Players - They can get the buffs they depend on.
-- Example --
1. Last night there was another bot in the cantina with me. That bot got little to no business because mine is buffing at 125% mind and 121% focus and willpower. I think that if ATK players had the ability to give better buffs then bots would be a fallback in the event that you guys aren't around.
2. Doc buffs. I always get buffs from atk docs. But sometimes there not around. In that case I make my way to a buff house that I know will always be up and running. There is always a line for the ATK docs in Coronet.
