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Thread: Pro/Anti AFK/Bot/Macro All Purpose Sticky
AkuAnkka
Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:21 pm
#339
If you remove ingame buffbots and macros.
Bad thing: I am sure many people will make 3rd party macro for it
Good thing: you can hire new csr to check afkers
Bad thing: I am sure many people will make 3rd party macro for it
Good thing: you can hire new csr to check afkers
bn-ny
Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:48 am
#340
do we want to take a quick look out to sea at the right moment possible before the turning point and realize wow we might want to change our path? or are we going to just sail along oblivious and hit that ice berg..who knows maybe we have already seen it on the horizon and are bailing, leaving the rest of the crew and passengersscrambling for non existent life boats. Possibly we are even playing poker in the loungeignoring itthinking maybe it will go away. in reality we aredestined to last see the cold depths.
Raees
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:49 pm
#341
I've been an entertainer for almost a year. When I started we were all there, chatting, greeting people etc. I do recall people going afk but that was only for a small lunchbreak. I had great lot of fun during those times, and I met a lot of new friends.
Some people came to the cantina to chat after being out hunting alone for a while, others weren't as talkative and I guess they perhaps wasn't interested in being social. We never forced anyone to talk to us but we did invite everyone toa chat. At that time we didn't need to talk in groupchat cause there weren't any people spamming the Cantina.
Now I have return to the Cantina floor to find a whole new world!
During my tries to become Master Musician I was partly the only one alive on the floor of about 40 entertainers. I hold one group going but sometimes the leaders might have gone akf and there were up to 5 groups going. It's hard then to get the healing xp needed or even the same amount of music or dance xp since you arent that many in your group.
The people who had gone akf weren't as polite as back then. They were standing were everyone would see them. Of course! They want healing xp as much as everyone else, but is it fair to give them more xp for not being there ? Many people coming in to the cantina really don't care wether the entertainer is afk or not. Perhaps they don't even see who is there? Among all spamm from the afkers and buff bots it's really hard to tell who's alive and who's not. And why, as many people have said before, pay someone who isnt there?
Problem with the buffbots
I understand that people like them for being there 24/7. I do not have anything against buffbots entertaining in city cantinas in player cities. I do however have several thought about buffbots in the main cities!
* They "steal" the healing xp away from those who are really needing it. People don't have time to listen to a alive entertainer to get ride of their mindwounds and bf and then go on to the buffbot to get their buff. Of course they heal while they get their buff, it's the most simple thing to do and it saves time.
* They spamm. Here is a problem with mos afkers. They feel like they need to say things! They want people to listen to them and to tip them even though they arent there. They want alive people to invite them into groups if they arent there. They have a lot of whishes and since they arent there to see if they get forfilled or not they have to yell or shout their whishlist all over the place, at all times. Buffbots tend to yell out the leader name every 30 sec not to mention that they are buffing. There is a easy solution to this, just put them on ignore list and you won't hear them again. Eventually there will be a lot of people in that list... Doctors also yell that they are buffing, I can live with that information regard, but all other spamm seems unessisary and it causes the alive entertainers to speak in groupchat and thus making us as "afk" as the others for people not in the group.
* We have become NPCs with nothing else to do than be there to serve others. In one case that was our mission to start with but then people had some respect, now people will just say "Invite me". It happens every so often that people just get their buff and goes out on their mission without giving me a credit or even a thank you. I don't charge 5 or 10k, I ask people to pay what they can afford and feel is fair. A doctor always ask for at least 10k.
This is what I live of, I have no other proffession. I live to entertain! I can get an entertainer mission? Yes, and I can share those 420 credits with my group leaving me 42 credits to pay my house and my shuttleexpensives. After people have been buffed by me they run out and do missions that can give them 60k in 10 min. We live on other peoples generousity and kindness. When fighters put up their afk buffbots for other fighters to buff for free at we get out of work, out of proffession and out of the game.
Message Edited by Raees on 10-14-2004 11:53 PM
tuls
Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:09 pm
#342
Why I have become entertainer?
To live my roleplay. I do buffs when I can, I refuse if I don't want to. I carry messages along factions, may be the own role of entertainers in RL history. This is my lifestyle.
AFK-bots, yes, hurts these proffessions a lot. People who are blaming us not being able to find buffs are all because of this. Too much spam in cantinas, even blocking socialising of community. Since hologrinding ended, now buff bot grinding started. Myself is a master dancer, my alt is a musician. So cantinas are like my homes.
We entertainers are not pure ofcourse... Need a sting for ourselves too... but in both sides here some nasty events:
Performing with 2 people and a droid (1 musician, 2 dancers, and a musician droid) in Bestine cantina, with bandflo and all and a good show or eye candy... a famous entertainer based guild members accused us to STEAL newbie afk's healing xp's, offered duel to us, "Join our group or get the f* out of here" , "and no you cannot band flourish",3 more came from same guild and all nasty emotes to us and my friend dropped her dancer skills just to be ashamed of being in same proffession with those people...
.........
a Group Buff session for a raid... Group leader was our friend so we accepted his offer. What happened, 3 of 15 guys, didnt get buffs just because they watch other entertainers in cantina with some leotards and we become B*hes and me & my friend got our nerves to top, woved to never ever buff people who does not know what they are doing.
.........
- <speaking in another language to me while I buff him>
- Sorry, I didnt understand
- I said you are really doing your proffession good.
<pm from a friend: he said you look like a wh* in that language, may I report him?>
.........
- Are you buffing?
- Sorry, I could but I'm about to log off (to go my office IRL)
- F* you then
.........
-How much for a service?
- 5K
- Oh, thats cheap!
- Really? I believe it is ok
- Yeah.. Last time a dancer said 100K from me just for one time
- 100K for mind buff, omg!?
- What mind buff? (He was talking about hardcore making out)
............
I'm sure many entertainers living this kind of events speaking of 'who is rude?'
But those are all out-of-topic. So question to flame wars above:
- Because you cannot find entertainers to buff you
- Why can't you find entertainers...
Well, I wonder if they say same things to doctors who refuses to buff. Just because we dont use harvesters for our buffs, we dont deserve to inhale stinking breaths.
DraconianOne
Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:28 am
#343
Hi everyone, the name's Rouf and I'm a 'noob'. There. I've said it. My little 'secret' is out in the open. I know that everything from here on in is likely to get ignored because I've only been at this game for a few days but hey, I've got nothing better to do.
When I started this game, I created a character that was an artisan with marksman skills. I like to roleplay and had good reasons why this character had those skills. I decided to see what life was like in another galaxy so started up an alt last week. I gave him a brief background and history and explained why he was a brawler who started dancing. I went to the cantina in Mos Eisley and started dancing.
Almost a week later, my alt is now my main and I haven't taken the artisan out for fresh air for a while.
(Bear with me, there is a point to all this)
The reason for that is that I've been having a load of fun in the cantina. Sure, it doesn't take a lot to advance up the entertainer skill tree and I did set up a couple of recursive macros more or less straightaway. Do you have a problem with that? Then let me tell that I did it so that I could spend my time typing and talking to players. I found far more interaction in this than I did out in the wilderness hunting dwarf nuna or surveying. It's great.
What I haven't had a lot of is tips. I'm hardly surprised - for a start there are some afk'ers and generally there are far more scantily clad female toons who get more attention than a fat old bloke in green and red hotpants. I did get some tips from people who almost fell over when I greeted them by name and started a conversation with them. One player tipped 10K just for the sheer pleasure of seeing an ATK entertainer.
In fact there's quite a few of us hang out in Mos Eisley cantina - masters, novices, apprentices and 'noobs' together. Everyday it's been a case of the group getting to be full and the leader deciding to kick AFK players in favour of ATK players. We have a laugh and a chat and try to entertain.
If people come in rudely demanding healing, buffs or otherstuff, we all seem to make a point of saying how much better it would be if they were polite (in character of course). Most of them laugh and accede to our wishes.
Last night, myself and another newish player decided to find out about buffing and how to do it (we didn't know). As a result of that I am giving my nooby opinion about this topic.
I have AFK'd. Hey, I'm human and I'm not perfect. And at times I have other things to do and SWG isn't a game you can really dip into for just 10 minutes at at time. And, frankly, when there's noone else around, being ATK isn't that rewarding. I don't AFK while asleep or at work. But I do think that the ability to buff should be reserved for ATK players only. I haven't seen any discussion about the following points so forgive me I'm just repeating them:
1. Autojoin - get rid of it and only ATK players can get into groups (is this feasible?)
2. Perhaps buffing should be started by a particular targeted command so that it can't be macroed. '/setperformance target' for example. This means you have to be ATK to buff.
3. For when there are no live entertainers around? Someone mentioned something like storing 120 flourishes to be used at will by a player. Great idea. Call them 'Holovids'. An artisan can make a holovid which a dancer can record a performance on. Once use only, grants a mind buff, can be bought and sold. (Perhaps an XP bonus given to the performing artist when it's used).
I'd have thought that there should be someway to know how much buff you've given and the duration too (beyond using a calculator and working it out) so that you could, as a performer, have a rising scale of charges for the 'service'.
Anyway, that's my two euros worth. I know that I'll leave here and find all these suggestion all over the board and just be told to go and read them but for a minute or two, I'd like to think I've been original.
Cheers all,
Rouf Tankin's the name and dancin's ma game! The more you tip, the more I'll strip!
(Novice Dancer, Mos Eisley cantina, Europe-Farstar)
When I started this game, I created a character that was an artisan with marksman skills. I like to roleplay and had good reasons why this character had those skills. I decided to see what life was like in another galaxy so started up an alt last week. I gave him a brief background and history and explained why he was a brawler who started dancing. I went to the cantina in Mos Eisley and started dancing.
Almost a week later, my alt is now my main and I haven't taken the artisan out for fresh air for a while.
(Bear with me, there is a point to all this)
The reason for that is that I've been having a load of fun in the cantina. Sure, it doesn't take a lot to advance up the entertainer skill tree and I did set up a couple of recursive macros more or less straightaway. Do you have a problem with that? Then let me tell that I did it so that I could spend my time typing and talking to players. I found far more interaction in this than I did out in the wilderness hunting dwarf nuna or surveying. It's great.
What I haven't had a lot of is tips. I'm hardly surprised - for a start there are some afk'ers and generally there are far more scantily clad female toons who get more attention than a fat old bloke in green and red hotpants. I did get some tips from people who almost fell over when I greeted them by name and started a conversation with them. One player tipped 10K just for the sheer pleasure of seeing an ATK entertainer.
In fact there's quite a few of us hang out in Mos Eisley cantina - masters, novices, apprentices and 'noobs' together. Everyday it's been a case of the group getting to be full and the leader deciding to kick AFK players in favour of ATK players. We have a laugh and a chat and try to entertain.
If people come in rudely demanding healing, buffs or otherstuff, we all seem to make a point of saying how much better it would be if they were polite (in character of course). Most of them laugh and accede to our wishes.
Last night, myself and another newish player decided to find out about buffing and how to do it (we didn't know). As a result of that I am giving my nooby opinion about this topic.
I have AFK'd. Hey, I'm human and I'm not perfect. And at times I have other things to do and SWG isn't a game you can really dip into for just 10 minutes at at time. And, frankly, when there's noone else around, being ATK isn't that rewarding. I don't AFK while asleep or at work. But I do think that the ability to buff should be reserved for ATK players only. I haven't seen any discussion about the following points so forgive me I'm just repeating them:
1. Autojoin - get rid of it and only ATK players can get into groups (is this feasible?)
2. Perhaps buffing should be started by a particular targeted command so that it can't be macroed. '/setperformance target' for example. This means you have to be ATK to buff.
3. For when there are no live entertainers around? Someone mentioned something like storing 120 flourishes to be used at will by a player. Great idea. Call them 'Holovids'. An artisan can make a holovid which a dancer can record a performance on. Once use only, grants a mind buff, can be bought and sold. (Perhaps an XP bonus given to the performing artist when it's used).
I'd have thought that there should be someway to know how much buff you've given and the duration too (beyond using a calculator and working it out) so that you could, as a performer, have a rising scale of charges for the 'service'.
Anyway, that's my two euros worth. I know that I'll leave here and find all these suggestion all over the board and just be told to go and read them but for a minute or two, I'd like to think I've been original.
Cheers all,
Rouf Tankin's the name and dancin's ma game! The more you tip, the more I'll strip!
(Novice Dancer, Mos Eisley cantina, Europe-Farstar)
DraconianOne
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:07 am
#344
Ya know what? Ignore everything I said and I'll come back when I know what I'm talking about.
I'll get my coat!
I'll get my coat!
Jaxpire01
Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:05 pm
#345
Hello, I am not a dancer or a musican .. well i did master musican for a holo but I grinded that and droped it the same night i mastered but anyway here is a copy of a post I made. I was told by some dancer firends of mine some time ago to post it here so here it is:
Wanna know how to end the AFK buff bots? It's really simple, remove group invite accept from executing from a pre-written macro, but not the command line. Non-afk buffers can still run their macros and does not remove any looping what so ever. Only reason why bots work is because they can join a group from a macro.
Below is the link to the thread it was posted on.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Naritus&message.id=207347&page=1
Tralmek
Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:45 am
#347
Naish wrote:
how long before this gets deleted.
....
My firewall doesn't like it, so I don't think it will really have anything at all constructive on the other end. I should know better than to expect anything constructive from a buffbot anyway.
Dreamland
Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:18 pm
#348
The answer is never. Naish has proven more times thanI can count that he is here in the dancer forum to do one thing. That is to revel in watching people get upset that he is pro bot. Now he has a one page website with a bunch of spelling mistakes, fantastic. We know your out to ruin the game for as many entertainers as possible, people get that. How many times do you need to remind us of your intentions?
lol
captainme
Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:31 pm
#350
DanceRulez wrote:
DemoRat wrote:
jmho, master tk doc, master chef tailor, master dancer music, master doc. If I cant find a buff bot up I'll just stick to brandy and c naps. Its not that I'm truly anti live entertainer, its due to the fact I know the buff bot isnt going to force his dislike of live entertainers down my throught. [sic]
Why certainly, because as everyone knows that's all that live entertainers ever talk about in the game. Blah blah buffbots are bad this and blah blah blah buffbots are bad that, as if there was some point to it all or something. It's not like you'd ever run across any of them that ever try to say anything interesting or that even try to make an effort to be friendly with a customer or even TRY to ask the customer about something that might be of interest to them.
the buff bots not going to demand #K credits for the buff it will be happy with what ever I have to donate,
Amen to that! Why should you feel obligated to reward someone else for the time, effort and skill points that they've invested in some profession or the time and effort they spend applying their skills to you? And this is something that shouldn't even be restricted to just entertainers. It should apply to all other professions as well. Why should some Armorsmith get to charge whatever he (or she) wants for that 90% resistive comp armor just because they spent the time to gather resources and craft each piece multiple times to get the experimental values just right? You should just be able to offer whatever you think is fair or whatever you can afford and the Armorsmith should just be happy with that.
the buff bot is going to do its job fast and quietly so I can get on with what I have planed. [sic]
Exactly - just shut up and gimme my buff so I can get out of here. After all, just because this is a massively multiplayer game, it doesn't mean that you should be forced to have to deal with other players. You should be able to get whatever you want done without ever having to interact with another person, or at the very least, with as little interaction as possible. Furthermore they should obviously add more NPC characters that do things like deliver Doctor buffs or sell only the best Chef foods or weapons or resources so that no one ever has to deal with another live player if they don't want to. And of course all these NPCs should be operating on a tips-only payment system.
... I belive to each there own.[sic]
Absolutely! Or even better, "To each, their own as long as it doesn't interfere with my own."
Message Edited by DanceRulez on 09-30-2004 04:59 PM
/applaud
That was beautiful.
PoetDancer
Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:37 pm
#351
See, the reason why players are pro-buffbot is that they really don't see anything as wrong. Because they look at our problems, and they are wondering what all the fuss is about. We say our dances are broken, but they are wondering what is broken about them, since they heal and buff just the same. We say that unattendence reduces our viability, but since the results are the same no matter who givesoff the mechanics, they really don't see why we are raising all the fuss.
Buffbot proponents think that because we have the ability to give off game mechanics unattended as well, that we really don't have any reason to complain. So when we ask for unattended mechanic dispensing to be removed, they are thinking we are behaving irrationally and against the spirit of the profession.
This is what I don't get. I can say with all certainty that if nothing is done from here on forward, the presence of unattended characters will still go on. There are many reasons to do it, and I can safely say that there are many reasons to create dancer characters. If nothing is done from here on out, you'll still have individuals create dancer characters. So I don't see why buffbot proponents argue so adamantly for a place for them in the game. The desire to influence the game world far in excess of what is possible does not need any encouragement for it to exist.
But what we do need are reasons to preserve the live game. The developers thought it was the good natures of the players. They were wrong. Then the developers thought it was because of the issuance ofgame mechanics. They were wrong again. These things are only incentives to live play if you first assume that players see it as their duty to tip players like us, then you have to assume that players will tip for criteria condusive to live play, and then you have to assume that anyone who issues game mechanics would like to monitor who gets them. Three assumptions that fall on their face when the combination of "allow multiple instances" is combined with a robust programming tool and a mechanics structure that relies solely on intrinsic character skills instead of player input.
So to those who own buffbots, I'll say again. We do not doubt that you want to justify a place in the game for your buffbots. But what we don't know is if you want to find a place in the game for live players. Why is it important to save the live game to you? Because its going fast, and its going because there is no place for it within the greater context of what goes on in the servers.