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Thread: Our Questions for the Devs

Tiaga
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:13 pm
#14






Ravenmist wrote:


I don't think you understand Chessack, everyone already knows there is a /bandflourish command but it was, as it sounds meant mainly for the musicians but it works for us too, the problem is in a group either the band can use it or the dancers can use it and not both.






Hate to to saying your wrong and all. But I've never had a problem with musicians and dancers both independantly using band flourishes. One time I even was doing both myself.. One flourish for the musician, a different one for the dancers.(Both without using macros and still talking to the group to coordinate routines, so I don't want to hear about how hard it is to hitone measly littleflourish every 10 seconds, I had to hit 3.)The two are not really connected in any way between musician and dancers. The only exception (Which is what I was using) is if you specify an instrument it goes to all musicians playing that instrument, even if you are a dancer.



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Chessack
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:17 pm
#15

Make your meaning clear in the question then. The last thing we need is the devs looking at what we wrote and thinking we don't know our own profession.

I also have had Tiaga's experience: dance and music band flourishes working separately. But NND's first real practice is tonight and I guess we will find out then.

C



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Panthu
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:20 pm
#16






Ravenmist wrote:




6. Any chance we will be seeing any Dancer only stuff in the game? For example Dancer only clothes, fans, headgear, ribbons and other props or things that we could attach a certification system to? If so any ETA on when something like that could be looked at?




Oopsy, missed the "certification system" part.... ok, just the money thing then. What else were you thinking?






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Ravenmist
Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:35 pm
#17







Tiaga wrote:


Hate to to saying your wrong and all. But I've never had a problem with musicians and dancers both independantly using band flourishes. One time I even was doing both myself.. One flourish for the musician, a different one for the dancers.(Both without using macros and still talking to the group to coordinate routines, so I don't want to hear about how hard it is to hitone measly littleflourish every 10 seconds, I had to hit 3.)The two are not really connected in any way between musician and dancers. The only exception (Which is what I was using) is if you specify an instrument it goes to all musicians playing that instrument, even if you are a dancer.



Tiaga your write and I know what your mean and how to do it. It is fairly advanced stuff tho, making things easier for people is good and bad both depending on how you look at it I suppose. Don't want to make it too easy for people who don't take it seriouslyto do performances as well as those who put a lot of time and effort into it, but I don't think this one change will do that. Not to mention unless I'm mistaken more action is used up mixing the musician and dancer flourishes then would be if it was sepperate no?

Tiaga
Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:30 pm
#18

The way it works is this..


If you trigger a bandflourish, it goes out to everyone performing the same as you. If you are dancing, it goes out to all dancers. If you are playing music, it goes out to all musicians. So both a dancer and a musician can use bandflourishes separately. Triggering a bandflourish uses no action. The flourish it causes you to do uses action, the same as any other flourish. If you have bandflourishes off and do a bandflourish, you use no action at all. Similarly, if you do a musician bandflourish while dancing, it uses no action except on the people who actually do the flourish. Well, at least not the character's action. I was ready for a break after that though.


So whileit is true a bandflourish is either dancer or musician but not both, that is only a limit of each individual bandflourish performed. A group can have a dancer band flourishfollowed immediately by a musician one. Therefore, you wouldn't really be changing things, aside from maybe getting rid of the obfuscation that band = musician, and allowing musicians to do flourishes for dancers, like we can do for musicians now.



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Tiaga
Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:31 pm
#19

Forgot to add though... That doesn't eliminate the question. The rest is still useful and things I have asked for in the past.



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RangerGirl
Tue Jan 27, 2004 5:11 pm
#20

Any ETA on the answers to these questions?



Nynna
Tue Jan 27, 2004 5:54 pm
#21

What was the 2 unanswered questions from before? What did I miss?

I hope they adress the AFK problem.



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Chessack
Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:08 am
#22



Ravenmist wrote:
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5. Any ETA on when we will be seeing some commands that help groups dance synchronously better? (Like those already mentioned: /groupstartdance, /groupchangedance, /groupflourish, /groupstopdance.)






If you haven't sent it in here, this is a nit-pick but I would remove the /groupflourish request here. There already is one (/bandflourish) and it would seem like we don't know our own profession if we ask for this when it already exists.

C



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Ravenmist
Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:35 am
#23






Chessack wrote:





Ravenmist wrote:
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5. Any ETA on when we will be seeing some commands that help groups dance synchronously better? (Like those already mentioned: /groupstartdance, /groupchangedance, /groupflourish, /groupstopdance.)





If you haven't sent it in here, this is a nit-pick but I would remove the /groupflourish request here. There already is one (/bandflourish) and it would seem like we don't know our own profession if we ask for this when it already exists.

C





I don't think you understand Chessack, everyone already knows there is a /bandflourish command but it was, as it sounds meant mainly for the musicians but it works for us too, the problem is in a group either the band can use it or the dancers can use it and not both. We would just like a sepperate command for the dancers so the two aren't tied together letting the Musicians and Dancers both use these commands at the same time in the same group. To avoid confusion tho I think I'll try and make that more clear to the Devs as well so they don't misunderstand.


Also as Pickles kindly pointed out, if you look at the Entertainer 10 list one of the questions was in reguards to AFK issues. The AFK issues really are entertainer wide and it was the perfect thing for Tiaga to list, since its on his list I feel we should focus more on dancer only items. I hope that makes sense to everyone. Not to mention I'd prefer to ask questions we're more likely to get a real answer to, if ya know what I mean.


Message Edited by Ravenmist on 01-27-2004 12:37 PM

Ravenmist
Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:46 am
#24

Looking over my list and his again there are a few things that overlap in some ways but most my questions are geared towards the Dancing side of things, don't really care about the musicians. Come to think of it perhaps I should of left off number 7 on the list too since Tiaga really covered that one already.. hmm. Whatdo you all think, leave it or try and swap it out for something else? Good question, just more or less same one Tiaga listed too. The rest looks good to me, I can't wait to hear the answers. :


Someone mentioned the 3 questions I mentioned I had an answer for already, I will be posting these by themself today or tomarrow if I can get permission to do so. Its not all our top 5 but its 3 answers at least. Well really 2 answers and one umm.. well not what I'd call an answer but the best we'll get I think. Better then nothing I suppose til we can get this 10 list answered.
Ravanne_Esi
Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:49 am
#25

Tiaga, are you saying you can target a bandflo? If so what is the full command I use bandflo 1 and all the dancers do a flo 1 but the musicians are unaffected.






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Luviana
Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:12 am
#26

how about this for the afk problem.....make it so you can't go afk unless you sit down and if you dance longer than a certain amount of time without doing a certain thing, you get autologged. What those things are, I don't know, but it's an idea.



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