Dancer Archive
Thread: Surrender Your Skill Your in the Wrong Profession.
"I dont like your name cause I didnt think of it myself!"
Don't flatter yourself. 
For starters, I didn't say anything about not liking your name. The point was, if you have a, hmm..., 'titillating' name, don't complain when people get the wrong impression of you and behave accordingly.
When you're finished whining about the whiners, come on back and maybe we can have an actual discussion. But be warned, discussions usually mean that you have to actually accept the fact that people's opinions will*gasp* differ from yours and you can't just dismiss them out of hand with the comment 'stop crying and get the REAL POINT'.
Hmmmm...sounds like you are the one "bitching and whining" here, trying to make your way of thinking seem like the norm.
This is my first foray on the boards and what I find really refreshing is that many here are proud to wear their Dancer title as I am, both for the time and effort put into "earning" that name and for the needed social/healing aspect they bring to it as well.
What is disturbing to me Miss Erotca is the fact that your views, which seem to be illogical ("I pay 15 dollars so I should be able to macro my way to a master in a given profession"....hmmm, using your logic I pay 15 dollars a month, let me macro my way to bounty hunter please.) and very antogonistic towards your fellow entertainer community, are what others are seeing as prevalent. This seems to be causing that backlash that we are all NPC afk bot's and shouldn't be treated with decency or respect.
I am a Master at my craft of Dance. I take pride in the fact that everyone who enters the place where I dance gets a "hello" and a smile. I take pride in the fact that every skill point I have I got honing my craft, either timing flourishes, practicing with lighting, or offering friendly words to those who may have needed that at that moment without any thought as to a"tip or reward". If I would like the others in my community and the Devs to acknowledge my dedication and 'Master' title with some respect (i.e. better mission payouts compensatory to my title or seen more then just said afk bot or cyber plaything), I don't consider that to be "bitching and whining" thus calling for you to spew forth your edict of "surrender my skill points". If taking pride in my accomplishments gives me a "holier then thou" attitude in your eyes then I don't think I am the one with the problem I think its you. I treat everyone with what I expect from them in return, respect even if I don't agree with their views...a trait worth learning don't you think? 
I know this will probably fall on your deaf ears, but I wished to voice it anyway, for my own satisfaction if nothing else: The only person who should surrender anything should be yourself...for I think you are completely missing the point of even being a dancer in the SWG community. The only thing that truly troubles me is that until the loud mouthed minority such as yourself actually thinks before they act or speak, others will take you and your words as our 'spokespeople' and 'example' of the dancing community, therefore resulting in no change at all.
Oqua Alsan ~ Master Dancer, Novice Tailor, Novice Rifleman
You can make good money being a dancer if you get lucky and catch someones eye and do something original. However 90% of the time you are just getting used .
They are meant to be examples of how people perceive our profession as a whole due to AFK entertainers. Not everybody, certainly, I'm sure, but a growing part of the population. These people are not just soured on the entertainers that did not roleplay with them, they are soured on the entire profession. I don't care how much you roleplay with them, they will never respect you.
We have these discussions, not to focus on the negative, but to try to highlight to SOE what we'd like changed, and to instruct other entertainers that you personally will suffer from a lack of respect from your own profession if you do this.
There's a problem here. Ignoring it will not make it go away.
- J
"I don't care how much you roleplay with them, they will never respect you."
My point is that we are a community. We pay SOE for an interface. WE are the ones responsible for making the most of what we're given to have a great game. If there's something specifically wrong with the interface, we let them know. (this includes things thatgoes against realism.Such as huge pets and droidsin cantinas. Or things we feel are lacking from the interface, like hot male dancer clothes...)If there's something wrong with the players, this is something they can't do all that much about. Harassment and other inappropriate behavior that goes against the TOSshould be reported. However, just being stupid isn't in the TOS. If people want to just make wild generalized statements about the entertainer class without knowing what they're talking about, fine. The whole denyservice thing was meant to punish the people who abuse the entertainer. Of course this also causes problems with some people and there's just this huge vicious circle of stupidity. There's honestly nothing anybody can do to fix that. There's no maturity/intelligence/personality test that one has to take before purchasing the game. Someone will always find a way to ruin something for the rest of us. And the minority always suffers for it.
There are those of us who never AFK up at the front of a crowded cantina. (Plus you ignore the likelihood that even if they are behind the keyboard, they won't just be using a "tip me!" or otherspam macro.Shall we just get rid of macroing altogether?)And there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to when the cantina's been dead for an hour and oooh hey, samurai jack is on... in the event that somebody does come in needing to be healed. Entertainer is the most social class. It's also got the greatest chance of being dull to the point of weeping and gnashing of the teethwhen none of your buds are around.
What you need to do is find the people who want to play the game the way it was meant to be played, and form your own community. Create blacklists with screenshotsfor repeat offenders that don't get taken care of with /report the first time (though I'm sure if they do it enough, and enough people report them, something will get done eventually). Get yourself some bouncers. If people are having a good enough time, they will respect/tip you. I'm a male dancer, and I get tips. From other males!What are the supposed odds of that? I must be doing something right. 
There's huge potential in this game. But it isn't going to get handed to you on a silver platter. 
I love it I knew the whiners would come out in force. I wish you could hear yourselfs....
Can you spell t-r-o-l-l?
It seems to be this person's opinion that anyone who disagrees with her is a 'whiner' - a term that has been so overused and abused since the beginning of MMRPGs that it should have been retired from the English language by now.
It's one thing to have strong opinions. It's quite ANOTHER - and inexcusable - to come into a board where no one knows you and proceed to operate on the assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a "whiner", "cries", or whatever other dismissive term your stunted brain can conjure.
Your gameplay style (afk) already suggests that you don't comprehend the meaning of "respect". Your posts in this thread only confirm that assumption.
Respect isn't botted. It's earned. Respect isn't demanded. It's earned.
Maybe you can try your act on the Commando or Scout board because we clearly don't have much use for your attitude.
E'ro T'ca I give you 10 out of 10! Including the AFK dancing!!!! I started my life on Ahazi has an Artisan/Pistoleer. And because I basically suck at killing I'd find myself full of battle scars running to the nearest cantina in the wee hours of the morning only to find "gasp" no dancers to heal my mind, and no medics in the med center. This forced me to add entertainer and medicto my skill tree!!! So i could heal myself when no one else is available. I don't see that problem much anymore, since there are usually a few afk dancers to rely on.
Personally I don't AFK dance because I like the socializing part it.... but lets not forget that... the primary reason these warrior come to the cantina is to heal...socializing just gives them a reason to stay longer after the mind wounds are gone.
Leihiwa
That Shameless Tameless Creature of Ahazi
Leihiwa,
Finally someone who gets it
Ive watched for two days now quietly as ppl pinned titles on me as if they knew me
Not a dang thing wrong with being afk for any reason we are serving a purpose there or not <tho it is better when we are there cause we interact on a more personal level>
The only thing thats wrong here is too many ppl are wearing their panties too tight
They are threatened by anyone who is in competition with them in any way. Attacking the AFK dancer is simply the easiest fight.
Will they win? Get SOE to do something about it? Doubtfull....god I hope not....I hope SOE has more brain than to listen to the handfull of ppl who post here claiming that AFK dancers are ruining it for everyone.
Im sure that SOE knows the difference between a real issue and that of a spoiled child who just dont want to share his candy with the child dancing next to him/her.
E'ro T'ca
Erotica.. If you had given the people here a chance to get to know you before you yourself pinned titles on us, maybe we would have given you the same treatment. Ever thought of that?
We been talking about afk "dancers" so much it is boring me to tears, but anyway, if they indeed clumped themselfs up in a deserted cantina and didn't bother me, I wouldn't care about them. But the zombie dancers that can't interact with you, they just "dance"there zombie dancehour after hour.. *Shivers* I have a problem with that, yes..
And no, i don't think anyone is threatened by you, just very surprised about your attitude, I know I am. Maybe, as proposed you should have a good look at your skilltree yourself.
EroTka wrote:
Finally someone who gets it
Translation: ErTka finally found one person who agrees with her. Gee whiz.
Ive watched for two days now quietly as ppl pinned titles on me as if they knew me
I would remind you that you were the first one to open the name-calling can of worms, not us. Now you want to be self-righteous about it?
Not a dang thing wrong with being afk for any reason we are serving a purpose there or not
You know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe Dancers don't really serve any purpose in this game. I'm going to propose to SOE that the Dancer profession be completely removed. In its place, they can install non-responsive NPC bots to do all the mind healing. It will achieve exactly the same as your LAMER routine except nobody has to deal with NPCs coming to the boards trying to justify botting their way up to Master. Nobody would have to tip them, either, which ought to make a lot of players happy.
They are threatened by anyone who is in competition with them in any way. Attacking the AFK dancer is simply the easiest fight.
Oh, dear, honey, are you going to make up positions for us now? The day I think a LAMER is in competition with me is the day I hang up the skills. It ain't gonna happen - I've been grouped with too many Macro'd master dancers now and they aren't worth the powder it would take to blow up their computer. Half of them don't even know how to /changedance.
Will they win? Get SOE to do something about it? Doubtfull....god I hope not....I hope SOE has more brain than to listen to the handfull of ppl who post here claiming that AFK dancers are ruining it for everyone.
For your information, itis FAR more than a "handful" of people. In fact, the anti-AFK macro folks also include a significant percentage of the general non-dancing population. You probably weren't aware of the resentment since you're never at your keyboard, though -- Understandable. SOE has listed AFK macroing as one of the issues they plan to address - just as they tried to address sampling AFK.
Raph himself (Holocron to you) once noted that you can tell the parts of your game that are not fun by looking at what parts the players automate. Inan email to him, I pointed out that there is also another kind of player who bots - the lazy powergamer who wants Master title without earning it. It has to be stopped, and I'm confident it will be stopped. Better bot your ass off because it won't last too much longer.
I am a novice dancer from Talus, and for a short period, I was really thinking about not dancing for the public ( I was in Talus for a month, and I got next to nobody, Talus is just that dead). But a chance meeting with two entertainers from Naboo, changed me. Before I met them, I had never stepped foot away from my home town ( I was trying to build my character up before I journeyed off) but talking to them, they wanted me to come to Naboo, I told them I would one day, and left it at that ( had to make some money with my side job). i walk up to the mission terminal, and every job on there was off the planet. Normally I skip over missions like that, this time was different. I started to think about our conversation, they told me how full of people some cantinas around the galaxy were, it was hard for me to believe (if you saw the cantina in Talus, you would understand, honestly just Talus period). I took the mission, Tatooine bound. That's when i discovered I had to planet hop to get there ( first time leaving home) so I stopped at Corellia. I have never seen so many people( I know I sound like a country-girl who just hit the big city) I stumbled around for a couple of days, trying to learn my way around they city (I don't use maps) Then I finally reached the cantina, wow!!!!!!! At least 10 entertainers were in there ( I mean really there) and a couple afk folk. I had a blast, talking to the other dancers, learning from them (Salma and the rest of you girls, thanks! can't forget Travis). I got more experience that one night, than my entire stay on Talus, plus I got a new outfit, with matching shoes (giggles)
Anyway, my fire is renewed, I want perform for the public, so I'm staying in Corellia a little longer before I leave to finish my mission, work the cantinas, get wardrobe, and dance.dance, dance. This had nothing to do with this thread, i know, i just wanted to share this with my fellow dancers who love their job.
On the subject of this thread, if someone wants to tip a afk entertainer, then that's their business. But for other professions to say we don't deserve tips, heal your own battle fatigue, you can't, can you. Other professions get pretty good pay, ( I know, mine are brawler and scout) but the dancer missions are incredibly cheap ( 189 cr is the highest I ve seen so far) my dancer expenses are covered by my other jobs, I'm not crying, just stating fact, dancers don't get paid squat. Right now, I'm still a novice, but quickly gaining experience, even then, tipping isn't a big thing with me, just let me know in some way you appreciate me, smile, wave, whatever. Am i saying don't tip me, heavens no, i'm just saying, let us dancers who aren't afk feel wanted, that not only did we heal your mind, but we entertained you ( not just by dancing, we do talk to you too). And as far as being treated poorly, the only bad experience i was a guy who kept asking for a lap dance, and used that for his excuse not to pay me ( he came back to heal again, and since i was the only dancer, he was out of luck). If the guys treat us like this here, imagine how they treat women in real life, no wonder most of them play...........this game. I'm not saying this to everyone, just the macho men who feel degrading women is cool ( there are some dancers who do give us a bad name, but don't judge the whole bythe actions of a few) and just because they're commandos, bh, or whatever, and we're just dancers. Yes we are, but we have other jobs too. Someone once wrote, imagine what would happen if ALL entertainers would stop, who would heal you mind then? I hope that doesn't happen, but that should give you something to think about before you say we don't do anything. AFK or not, we do heal you, and without us, a lot of strong manly men would be in very bad shape.
I find your lack of faith disturbing
Darth Vader
and ya'll wonder why no one has any respect for the dancers. Listen to yourselves ALL OF YOU!!! This whole freaking dancer profession board continues to make me feel sick day after day.
/sigh
Actually, Lady, I think the majority of the members posting on this board are the best folk in SWG. The discussions, by and large, have been energetic and passionate but usually reasonable. I come here more than the main board for that exact reason. Most Dancers are primarily roleplayers, and roleplayers are my kinda people.
Once ina while, however, we get a trouble-maker. Now, maybe that's not a fair term. But it seems some people have less talent in expressing themselves non-confrontively and come off sounding like they have a chip on their shoulder before anyone even gets a chance to really know them. I don't care what the social setting is - at work, a party, or in a game -- someone who starts their relationship with the rest of the group by making crass generalizations and name-calling is not going to get an "A" in "Gets along well with others".
Read through some of the other threads. We're a passionate group, so sometimesit canget heated, but it's not very often that we engage in personal slams. When we do, it's in self defense. I'll take a passionate group over an apathetic group any day, wouldn't you?