Dancer Archive

Just as a reminder for some of the ideas coming up in here, the idea of removing the /join command was proposed to the devs a while back, and as I recall, was flatly rejected by them. Also TH himself once proposed the idea of a buffing interface to discourage buffbotting. It was met with mixed feedback from the entertainers. Some liked it, though often with some reluctance, as a way to disable bots, but many didn't like thought of hassling with an additional clunky interface to do buffing. This proposal from TH was fairly quickly scrapped, though, as it was replaced with the announcement that AFK macros would be removed.

It isn't....which leads to the conclusion that this is a policy coming from higher up. I guess the entertainers that PLAY entertainers are less important than people with entertainer alts who run NPC-like zombies, because they provide SOE with more income. They get what they want, they make all the money, they get all the SEA's, they get all the business, they turn our profession into one that is percieved as just a quick time sink to drop their BF, get some buffs and be on their way.

I would suggest with the upcoming CU, if the short term/long term 20%/10% formula applies to us as well, that you consider picking up so basic combat skills, enough to protect yourself and get into some armor, go out with a group and provide your services directly....who needs a 10% long term buff (from a buff-bot) if there is a 20% one available and ready to be reapplied travelling along with you? If we don't get out 'in the field' then its just more reason for people to get alts and have them log in every so often, zip over to the group, rebuff, log off. So the choice is, we go where the people are and leave the cantinas to the bots, or stay in the cantinas by ourselves and never see another soul.

Obviously i'm showing both extremes, but I hope you see that the direction things are heading will require us to get up and do something, and not expect an answer to just be delivered to us on a platter.

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shadowdefender wrote:
Curious as to why the Devs would flat out reject removal of the /join command if your there playing your character how hard it is to accept the group invite?

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It isn't... unless you go LD just before you accept/reject... then the pop-up will not be there when you get back in game, but you will still have the invitation to group and the only way to accept is /join. This has happened to me.

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Aviada wrote:
if they remove 'afk macroing' does that mean we have to sit there and manually hit the flourish button over and over?

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Nope. It is possible to make non-looping macros: Clicky.

I have three or four non-recursive macros, usually based around a "refrain" of three or four flourishes, with different moves in between each refrain. They last about 15 minutes and end in a /stopdance and /deepbow.


Umi

Message Edited by Sunjammer on 03-27-2005 04:57 PM

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Esharra wrote:

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Aviada wrote:

So, someone explain something to me.

if they remove 'afk macroing' does that mean we have to sit there and manually hit the flourish button over and over?

I think most dancers who are in favor ofremoving the ability for avatars to be left animating while unattended are not in favor of effecting their ability to run a recursive macro.Many seem to be in favor of reducing afk play while still retaining theability for themselves to go afk for "short" periods even. To others, this seems contradictory. If recursion was removed, you would still have the ability to write macroslong enough to allow you to avoid hitting a key for a few minutes (at least). There are a number of ways that unattended play could be addressed, we'll just have to see where the devs take it.

I mastered dancer while at the keyboard the entire time the first few times I did it and I had a recuring macro going or I would've had carpel tunnel syndrome. Is this what the entertainer community is wanting?

Some,like myself, don't use macros muchat all and would be rather annoyed if our avatars were doing the same thing over & over again, with no variation. Everyone has their own preferences.

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Esharra, you know I respect you deeply. However, you know that you can't expect everyone to play your way just because you play that way.

Some of us need recursive macros. period.

When I want variation, I switch to a different macro.

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Ihareo wrote:

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Esharra wrote:

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Aviada wrote:

So, someone explain something to me.

if they remove 'afk macroing' does that mean we have to sit there and manually hit the flourish button over and over?

I think most dancers who are in favor ofremoving the ability for avatars to be left animating while unattended are not in favor of effecting their ability to run a recursive macro.Many seem to be in favor of reducing afk play while still retaining theability for themselves to go afk for "short" periods even. To others, this seems contradictory. If recursion was removed, you would still have the ability to write macroslong enough to allow you to avoid hitting a key for a few minutes (at least). There are a number of ways that unattended play could be addressed, we'll just have to see where the devs take it.

I mastered dancer while at the keyboard the entire time the first few times I did it and I had a recuring macro going or I would've had carpel tunnel syndrome. Is this what the entertainer community is wanting?

Some,like myself, don't use macros muchat all and would be rather annoyed if our avatars were doing the same thing over & over again, with no variation. Everyone has their own preferences.

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Esharra, you know I respect you deeply. However, you know that you can't expect everyone to play your way just because you play that way.

Some of us need recursive macros. period.

When I want variation, I switch to a different macro.

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I have no problem with recursive macros. Nothing in my post states that I have a problem with recursive macros. Nor do I have a problem with non-recursive macros. I don't use macros..recursive or otherwise..that does not mean that I'm against their use. I just have more fun..am less bored..without them. So..for the record..I don't have a problem with macro use. I do have a problem with unattended play.

Frankly, I don't think removing recursion is the solution to the problem of unattended play. I don't see a policy change as a manageable solutionthough.

(About the only thing I Do have a problem with thatI hinted at in my previous post,is players saying they want to get rid of unattended play but still want to retain the ability to play unattended themselves. I'm just a little intolerent of the hypocrisy in that train of thought.)

Message Edited by Esharra on 03-27-2005 04:38 PM

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Esharra wrote:

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Ihareo wrote:

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Esharra wrote:

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Aviada wrote:

So, someone explain something to me.

if they remove 'afk macroing' does that mean we have to sit there and manually hit the flourish button over and over?

I think most dancers who are in favor ofremoving the ability for avatars to be left animating while unattended are not in favor of effecting their ability to run a recursive macro.Many seem to be in favor of reducing afk play while still retaining theability for themselves to go afk for "short" periods even. To others, this seems contradictory. If recursion was removed, you would still have the ability to write macroslong enough to allow you to avoid hitting a key for a few minutes (at least). There are a number of ways that unattended play could be addressed, we'll just have to see where the devs take it.

I mastered dancer while at the keyboard the entire time the first few times I did it and I had a recuring macro going or I would've had carpel tunnel syndrome. Is this what the entertainer community is wanting?

Some,like myself, don't use macros muchat all and would be rather annoyed if our avatars were doing the same thing over & over again, with no variation. Everyone has their own preferences.

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Esharra, you know I respect you deeply. However, you know that you can't expect everyone to play your way just because you play that way.

Some of us need recursive macros. period.

When I want variation, I switch to a different macro.

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I have no problem with recursive macros. Nothing in my post states that I have a problem with recursive macros. Nor do I have a problem with non-recursive macros. I don't use macros..recursive or otherwise..that does not mean that I'm against their use. I just have more fun..am less bored..without them. So..for the record..I don't have a problem with macro use. I do have a problem with unattended play.

Frankly, I don't think removing recursion is the solution to the problem of unattended play. I don't see a policy change as a manageable solutionthough.

(About the only thing I Do have a problem with thatI hinted at in my previous post,is players saying they want to get rid of unattended play but still want to retain the ability to play unattended themselves. I'm just a little intolerent of the hypocrisy in that train of thought.)

Message Edited by Esharra on 03-27-2005 04:38 PM

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Ok I misunderstood, I'm sorry.

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Ravanne_Esi wrote:

I doubt that AFK Buffbotting will ever be taken out of the game other than by EULA enforcement. If they try to remove or highly modify the macro system at this time I would suspect that it would cause more problems than it would be worth, probably breaking many current systems.And almost anyother system they put in to enforce it would cause more problems for legitimate users of the game than it would for buffbotters.

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AFKing will prolly go away when our community comes up with a reasonable solution.

As an example, I point to the combat professions. Recently they had the ability to initiate an attak while AFK removed. That happned because their community got together and came up with a reasonable solution.

So far, in the Entertainer community, anyone who has come up with a solution other than removing recursive macros has been flamed to oblivion. Now, here we are, still have recursive macros AND our AFK problem wheras the combat professions have recursive macros, and no more AFK problem.

I personally take that as a sign to start thinking of reasonable ways to curtail the AFK problem.

AFK macro looting is very much alive Ihareo they just had to learn to leave the AFK flag off. I still see plenty of zombies at all the popular spawn spots. The "fix" the devs put in was way to easy to get around and only put a bump in the way through lack of knowledge. Unfortunately there are way to many professional AFK players so knowledge spread quickly on the work around.