Dancer Archive
Thread: whats the big freakin deal about AFK's in cantinas?
*looks around the cantina*
Where are all these "real" entertainers who keep popping in to have a conversation? Funny, I hardly *ever* see any "real" entertainers coming in, grouping up, and carrying on in gossip or debate or anything else resembling "just hanging out and having fun". Did you somehow lose the keys to the cantina? Are all the afk'ers blocking the entrance? I don't think so, since one or two of you manage to come in to whine and complain about "the good old days" now and then. Here's another question, where are all the Masters?The people with the *good* mind buffs? The *fast* mental heals? These *engaging* conversations that keep me wanting to stay and listen? Where is all of this?
If the cantinas are *only* filled with afk'ers macro'ing their ways to an FSCS, it is YOUR fault for leaving, not theirs for coming.
bleaqheart wrote:
*looks around the cantina*
Where are all these "real" entertainers who keep popping in to have a conversation? Funny, I hardly *ever* see any "real" entertainers coming in, grouping up, and carrying on in gossip or debate or anything else resembling "just hanging out and having fun". Did you somehow lose the keys to the cantina? Are all the afk'ers blocking the entrance? I don't think so, since one or two of you manage to come in to whine and complain about "the good old days" now and then. Here's another question, where are all the Masters?The people with the *good* mind buffs? The *fast* mental heals? These *engaging* conversations that keep me wanting to stay and listen? Where is all of this?
If the cantinas are *only* filled with afk'ers macro'ing their ways to an FSCS, it is YOUR fault for leaving, not theirs for coming.
Honest question. Let me try and respond:
A lot of the entertainers are either:
1) Away from the grind capitals, and in the "second cities" (Moenia, Tyrena, Mos Espa)
2) On outposts cantinas (Yavin IV, Dantooine)
3) In our own player city cantinas.
4) Retired or inactiveto grind for FSCS (its a two way street, people hating to dance coupled with people who hate to leave dancing.)
5) Working camps with guilds, PAs, etc.
6) Working "gigs" (Player created endevours, roleplay things).
Hope this answers where we are, at least on my server.
Talasa wrote:
@bleakheart: They are all dancing and playing music with their bands and friends in player cities now because it is just disgusting to go into one of the NPC cantina right now.
Yup.
C
I, too, got Master Dancer for my holocron, and while I do go AFK sometimes, I try to be active as much as possible.
I think once this whole "holocron fad" passes us, things will go back to normal in cantinas. I mean, most people got 1 or 2 for the holiday, and probably sold one. Even if they used 2, some won't be able to afford another for a while.
So entertainers, grin and bear it. I think everyone who masters one of your professions will be tipping generously from now on. I know I will.
-Dell Isard,
Master Marksman, Master Scout, (soon to be ex) Master Dancer, ex CH, BH
Afking will only get worse and spread to more professions instead of getting better ,,until,,SOE finally realizes the negative effect it's having. I see combatants afking near thugs in almost every city, and perching in places that are nearly 100% safe from damage just to gain a few extra points of a ranged weapon skill.
The entertainer profession was the first profession that afking became popular but now its spreading out to anything and everything,,and its ruining the game,,,sooner or later it will be stopped ,,just likely later, the devlopers are just too busy issues that dont have nearly the negative effect as afking does.
So I support any and all afking,,more the better,,because the bigger the problem gets,,,the sooner it will get stopped.
Once again, my objection to the AFK mess is that is sends the wrong message: that the game is too boring to play while sitting at the keyboard.
It completely escapes me why the developers see this as desirable.
SOE did put macros in for a reason. But you fail to understand that Unattended game play is not that reason. Alt tabing to another game is actually against the policy.
I hit my exp cap a long time ago- and it was in mostly empty cantinas. AFK people do not help *my* exp and never did. I seem to remember having to BOOT afk people from my groups because if they are afk too long they ceased adding exp to our little group. At least that's what I attribute a 30 point drop to when a few people suddenly go AFK.
using You in a general sense here now.
If you can not play your way to Jedi, then I garauntee that you can not play your way to master. Why are you wasting 15 dollars a month on a game that obviously does not appeal to you or capture your interest enough to have you actually play? If it's so terrible that you have to find every 'cheat' to get yourself to the top that you also bypass the whole point of the game (Online- people- socializing- playing with others while at the keyboard instead of playing KotOR alone) or the success of making your way to the top based on YOUR merit and hard work- not a program's.....
Gee, you can just throw money around. Jedi will not make it any more fun for you. It'll be the same old story. And after you lose 3 FS characters to bounty hunters before you even make padawan you will most likely just give up because you don't have the patience to keep at it. And most likely don't understand what 'stealth and secrecy' are so will use your force powers to show off and get a bounty on you then die. Again.
Please don't come to our boards and tell us what we have to like and accept. (Andknowingly start another flame war.) You accept holotainers. We can sympathise that it's 'unfair' for you to be forced to a profession you dislike. But we do not have to like it. Master quickly. Then get out.
AFK macroing, otherwise known as unattended gameplay (except when referring to the EULA, apparently), is quite rampant across the board. It's not a new problem, it's been there since beta. In fact, many people say it isn't a problem at all. What used to be just an entertainer and artisan rarity has spread into other professions and has become perhaps a majority in entertainer and artisan.
I remember Holocron saying at one point that (paraphrasing) players will more than likely choose the path of least resistance. Did anyone think that siting at the computer playing the game would be less work than having the game play itself?
There are a number of reasons pro and con AFK macroing from the player's perspective. Arguing of those points is best left to all of the other threads about the subject.Let's look at itfrom the SOE business perspective. SOE's assets are in the form of content and method. They make more money when profession mastery takes 3 months instead of 2 weeks. In other words, the business is based onsustainability.
Are AFK macroers the kind of people who will continue playing for years? What happens when they exhaust the xp grind? They certainly haven't learned to interact with their environment and/or roleplay.
So, following that through, is not AFK macroing an attack on the sustainability of the product, on the core assets of the game, and SOE profit? Makes me wonder why nothing more (nothing at all, in the case of entertainer) has been doneto curbit.
Can anyone argue otherwise? Maybe I'm not getting the whole picture. Maybe SOE doesn't see it as widespread as we do.
Nvoigt: You did not even attempt to answer my questions. In fact, looking through many of your 400+ posts, I see that you usually pick one or two sentences to quote from the post you're attempting to challenge, but then fail to make a valid point. Try harder to make me understand. It can be done. The bounty hunters did it, and theirs was the worst case of them all so far.
- I had hoped to find some at these locales, but alas, I did not in a five out of five ratio. And I play almost all day, so work/school/freetime can hardly be blamed.
- Not usually. Usually, as the opening post of this thread pointed out, it's one of the macrotainer's you all scream bloody murder about.
- Again, no not again. What time should I schedule my getting my butted kicked around? What's good for the Entertainer Industry?
- I see. Register Location mean anything?
- Times? Registered Locations? Since it's obvious the prima donna's of SWG need the attention so bad, I guess the players of these games need to schedule their time around them, to suit their IRC fix.
I'm sorry, but for all that you civilly answered my questions, these reasons just don't hold up under even the mildest scrutiny. Thank you though, for answering my questions without hypothetical "If I shoot someone it's their faultfor dying" references.(that still makes no sense to me by the way) I'll keep an eye open for future posts.