Dancer Archive

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Crisby wrote:

I own Lebow, Master Dancer, Master Musician.

If this goes through I will cancel my both of my accounts.

For those of you cheering "Yay" will you be making the rounds to all of the cities on all of the planets at 1am to serve the customers that were being helped by afkers?

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Strangely enough, I'm sorry, but I'm hard pressed to find any entertainers anywhere besides Bestine, Mos Eisley, Coronet, or Theed AT ANY TIME.

You get to handle it the same way you handle all those other wounds you get at off-prime time, goto a metropolis or wait out the Natural Heal.

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rayill wrote:

Don't come to our forums trying to start a war about how the removing a recursive macroing is our fault. We merely cited our frustrations with how our profession was dying. It was the multitudes of accounts that took advantage of this feature to supply services, camp locations, and lag down the servers that have prompted this action. It was the multitude of players who play with the cavalier American attitude that "I want everything my way right now" that has brought this upon us. There may have been other ways to fix this problem, but it looks right now that we will merely have to do our best to adjust to the new situation and move on.

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Brava!

I'd only like to add, don't post troll posts about how buffbots don't hurt any profession or players. Heard it a million times, and you've probably got nothing new to add.

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:
people will get fedup with having to manualy click every except key when crafting or what other professions they do using macros and just like them to run on auto.

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Crafting macros will still work just fine. They won't have to hit every accept button. The crafter will have to hit one button to relaunch their multi-tool crafting macro occasionally. Not really a big issue, since they are already clicking on resources.

Shuttle macros will still work just fine. They don't need to be looped since the shuttle will arrive within 10 minutes. Write a macro that repeats click on the ticket;/pause 30; 20 times.

CoB: Write a long macro that applies it multiple times with appropriate pauses. Put an /alarmaddin at the begining of the macro to set off an alarm when the macro ends. Hitting a button every 20 minutes isn't that big a deal either.

Oh, and looping macros aren't being removed just for the entertainers. They're also being removed to stop meatlump camping, cave camping, afk spamming, afk sampling, and many other types of unattended play.

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People will in general start to get naft of that a few moaning little whineres, are changing the game dynamics because they can't get off their arses and think of ways to make money in-game

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And how exactly do you propose an entertainer make any money if the one thing they have to sell to other players (buffs) is being handed out for free?

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Looping macros are great for many professions and they all don't complain about it....

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See above. Looping a macro is not required for other professions to use them. And I speak from experience since my Weaponsmith grinding macro did not loop. Once it ran through my 8 crafting tools, I either restarted it by hitting the = button, or I went off to take a break from the grind.

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If you want entertainers to be more interesting then you sould be campaining to have things added to the entertainer profession and not asking for them to be removed

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Entertainers have been asking for this. The dev's response has been that they're too busy with the CB and JTL. Removing looping macros is something they can quickly implement that will stop unattended play, whether it's a buff bot or a sample bot or a meatlump bot.

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You guys also forget people who use botts pay for the characters acc and buy another game to make them, so they have more of a say in this then you do if your using just one acc

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Ok, I've got 4 accounts. I get more say than you with your main and buff bot. And I say looping goes. I also demand that TK and all brawler professions be removed.

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I might also add their are other means to make money as entertainer, doing missions, although the money is darn crap.

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So...instead of adding to the economy by trading with other players, entertainers should just go off into their own world and do boring missions that pay almost nothing? Somehow, I don't think you'd find it acceptable to have all your destroy missions pay out 200 credits.

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you can also as said make money if different was if know how to use buff skills, if you try that is..

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What are you trying to say here? Entertainers could make money selling buffs, but just aren't trying? Somehow the ATK entertainers are going to amass a fortune by selling something buffbots give away for free?

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And while we are talking about removing botts, lets go the whole hog and remove npc's as they give missions out for people to create cash, and if people can use them to make money, why the hell go to anyone else?

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NPCs and mission terminals are the source of all money in the game. Players do not create credits, they just trade the ones fed into the game by the terminals and NPCs. A weaponsmith does not make any credits. I receive credits that the mission terminals and NPCs created.

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Another thing is when people want buff and their no one around, are you moaning entertainers going to take the flack for not doing your job and not being online when people need you?

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Scarcity will drive up demand. Supply will rise to meet demand.

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Anyway why should people come to entertainers for buffs when they can get them from chef drinks, or just train as a tk and do your own.

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Why should people go to doctors to get buffs? They can just get them from chef drinks, or just train as TKs and do their own. It might have something to do with the entertainer buffs being better than food and Powerboost.

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you should be asking for new additions to entertainers professions to make money and not getting them taken away.. Sadly thats something you can't see..

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No, entertainers see that quite well. But then the real world clashes. There are not an infinite supply of devs to add new content. The new content devs are busy adding the content for JTL. So any fix for the dying entertainer profession either has to wait until after JTL (and probably the CB), or they have to do something easy. The devs already said they don't have the time to put in an on-screen UI for buffing that requires mouse clicks (such as the ID interface). So they have to do something easier to implement. Thus, they're trying to kill off buffbots, afk spammers, meatlumpers, cave campers, and all other unattended play with a relatively easy change.

Wow, I'm impressed, not a single "Sweet Cheeks" anywhere here.

Sure, this isn't adding to the discussion, but neither did PhoenixStar in his 8 pages, so I feel justified in this one post

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Kreistor wrote:
Wow, I'm impressed, not a single "Sweet Cheeks" anywhere here.

Sure, this isn't adding to the discussion, but neither did PhoenixStar in his 8 pages, so I feel justified in this one post

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FuschiaD wrote:

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Kreistor wrote:
Wow, I'm impressed, not a single "Sweet Cheeks" anywhere here.

Sure, this isn't adding to the discussion, but neither did PhoenixStar in his 8 pages, so I feel justified in this one post

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Check the "Sorry to Burst your Bubble" thread. I used it there!

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Ugh, I stopped reading that one because it was equally useless. You mean I gotta read it?!? ARGH!

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

Thats the attitude I expect from quite a few on game forums, These forums are SOE not yours and with that attitude your telling others it ok for you guys to demand things removed but other can't defend or ask for something to stay..And I'm not starting a war it's called having a debate...I for one like debates, thats what it's all about, your not the only ones with opinions on a PUBLIC forum..

I've also said before, people on forumsare small majority of a games audiance, so dev's shouldn't be removing anything on a few peoples say so..

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CB, I agree -debates are fine when both sides agree todebate. It iswhen someone comes into another profession's forum and continually reposts their opposingopinion in a derogatory manner despite the objections of the people who inhabit the forum that it becomes a problem. We don't go into other professions' forums and demean them - we expect the same respect here, but seldom get it.

Regarding the part of your post that I highlighted - in case you haven't noticed, entertainers are a small minority ingame and an even smaller group in the forums. The devs have yet to change anything on our say so - including this proposal. If you think they even considered it solely for the benefit of entertainers, think again. We are not their top priority.

Few non-ents seem to care about what is best for our profession unless it affects their game play. Far too many of our fellow players would rather see our profession automated into an NPCso they no longerhave to deal with live people. So, if we seem defensive and even aggressive in our stance then it's because we feel we are fighting for our CGI-lives in this game. Perhaps that's something you haven't considered. Perhaps that's beyond concept - losing your game profession. We deal with that possibility every day.

No otherMMP gamehas given the social/noncombat playerconsideration before SWG. We don't want a chatroom with icons. We want to play. We don't want to play "some other profession" just because other players find ours boring. Just like many of the combat players, we want to be a viable part of something we love- Star Wars. We don't want to be pushed aside in favor of the l33t players and their (quote) needs (unquote), We don't want to becomediscarded vessels and watch this grand experiment fail.

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

your telling others it ok for you guys to demand things removed but other can't defend or ask for something to stay..And I'm not starting a war it's called having a debate...I for one like debates, thats what it's all about, your not the only ones with opinions on a PUBLIC forum..

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