Dancer Archive
Thread: Yay, and thanks to all you AFK Macro-ers
AmonTdow wrote:
Sadly look beyond your own selfish needs like most people. *EVERY* professions has been ransacked. by holo people. Not just yours.
Actually, our profession has been ransacked before the Holocrons.
The Holocrons just made things worse. But we've always had this problem. It was just very tiny back in August.
Everyone can take this with however many grains of salt you want, from a newbee that's leaving anyway. One of the reasons I'm leaving is the whole AFK macro thing. If it would really, honestly, take 30 or 40 hours of RP to accomplish something instead of 2 days of AFK macros, then maybe the playing field would level a bit. Macro's are useful for lots of things, but they shouldn't be setup to play the game for you. I mean, really, let's just pound a bunch of macros for everything, let them run, and come back in a couple of weeks and see how good we did? That's not playing a game, that's watching a computer count. I applaud the programming efforts and congratulations on figuring out ways to "beat the game" but if your goal is to "beat" it, then you're not "playing" it. It's kind of like building a robot to play golf... it would be anoutstandingaccomplishment - but it's not the same as playing golf.
Maybe we need a universe just for the advanced AFK macro players. What they're doing isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't jibe with RP in any way, shape of form. RP means taking on the identity of your character. It does not mean programming your character for self-interaction.
I would probably be staying if there were no such thing as AFK. It would also help, I think, if we could come up with a way to eliminate "grinding" but that's a different thread 
Bye everyone - it is a wonderful game altogether. I've met a lot of good and very fun people but it's just not for me... at least not in it's current iteration.
Needless to say I did not read through 7 pages of this thread, and more likely than not most people will not read my post here either, but as I posted in the ENT boards, afk-macroing is not exploiting, its not cheating, and its good for the game. It does not kill the profession. It does not diminish the profession.
Holocrons are good for this profession, not bad. It brings people who would not otherwise even attempt this line of professions out, and if even 1 person enjoys it who would otherwise never have entertained (no pun intended) the thought of being a dancer, musician, image designer, or entertainer, then the holocrons are a boon to the entertainer community.
If you are a socializer, you can still socialize with patrons, and with other social, at-keyboard entertainers. That has not been stripped away. In fact, the 'true' entertainers lost absolutely nothing because of the influx of afk/holo-tainers. If anything the cantina's are more lively and some people might stay a little longer because they think its pretty cool. If you dance alone in a cantina someone will come in, get healed, say goodbye and leave. If 20 people are rolling around the floor and a full band is blasting music it leads to a more social atmosphere.
I will not name the names but you know who you are, the people posting above that afk/holotainers are selfish and killing the profession. It is 'you' who are selfish, not the holotainers, not the afkers. If anything this can help you in that more patrons will come in, and you can interact with them and tell them 'hey I am awake here watch/listen to me' as a selling point. You are more likely to get tips that way anyway, and most people do not tip an afk-er which is easy to spot with afk tags on or off.
Like the original poster said, the influx of entertainers helped the game as a whole, even if you think somehow it hurt you personally, which it did not. Many people bought the game to be in combat and participate in what I guess is the galactic civil war. They go to cantinas to heal up so they can get back to having fun. If all the cantinas are empty, they cannot get healed, therefore they cannot have fun. When people are not having fun, they play less, and they cancel their account. I do not see how that helps 'you' or anyone else for that matter.
The fact that there are large groups now is great for the game, and it adds an immersion factor that satisfies many people. When I walk into Moenia's empty cantina its kind of sad, and in fact as much as people wanted player cities, I think that is more harmful to the game than afk-tainers, because people will spend more time just in their own city and socialize just with their own tightly-knit group of players and not interact as much with the rest of the playerbase as a whole. The fact that Coronet and Theed still attact a ton of activity is great people can make new friends there.
But you stubborn people will continue to post how this somehow hurts you and the game. You are sadly mistaken and you are short-sighted. You see things how they affect you and not the game environment as a whole. That is what is the saddest of all. And most people on the boards whine in every profession about something similar. Everyone feels that they are the only one entitled to be a master at something and that if someone else finds a faster or easier way to level then they are losers, cheaters, exploiters, and bad for the game. What does it matter if someone else masters Dancer? Does that take away your ability to dance?
Its flat out sad.
The only thing that I think could be real bad for the game is if everyone becomes a jedi, as it will kill the immersion value to see groups of dark jedi running around killing everything in sight. Fortunately, the power-gamer community is relatively small in comparison with the entire player base, so that is unlikely to happen.
- Broog
Needless to say I did not read through 7 pages of this thread, and more likely than not most people will not read my post here either, but as I posted in the ENT boards, afk-macroing is not exploiting, its not cheating, and its good for the game. It does not kill the profession. It does not diminish the profession.
Maybe you should read through the last seven pages then, there are several good reasons that unattended gameplay is hurting every profession and in this case the entertainers. I would answer your post, but I don't feel like repeating myself another time. Just scroll up.
Broog wrote:
But you stubborn people will continue to post how this somehow hurts you and the game. You are sadly mistaken and you are short-sighted. You see things how they affect you and not the game environment as a whole. That is what is the saddest of all. And most people on the boards whine in every profession about something similar. Everyone feels that they are the only one entitled to be a master at something and that if someone else finds a faster or easier way to level then they are losers, cheaters, exploiters, and bad for the game. What does it matter if someone else masters Dancer? Does that take away your ability to dance?
Even though you could answer these questions by reading back, I'll address this paragraph.
For one, this issue does not hurt me personally. I can entertain better than any AFKer. So don't worry about my precious little ego. I am not arguing for its sake.
As for hurting the game, yes, it does. You claim that AFK bots do not hurt the game. Fine. Let us take that one step farther. Since mind wounds are merely an inconvenience on the advanced planets, we can give everything to every player. Anyone who flies into Lok can pick up a free T21 rifle, a crate of Muon Gold, a suit of composite armor, and a slice of his choice. Anyone who walks into a Lok town can be guaranteed instant healing of all wounds. After all, why should we force players to rely on one another? Make it so that each player can succeed entirely on his own.
Are there people who are annoyed that someone else pushes a button and becomes a Master in a week while they grind away? Sure there are. Am I one of them? Not really. I am not a Master Dancer. I'm happy with my accomplishment. I don't care if someone gets more skill than me by pressing a button. I am concerned when the AFK bot takes business from a Dantooine cantina.
Getting 24-hour access to free Mind healing does damage the game. Is it a major damage? No, not really. But I remember hearing how tough Endor was because of all the Mind disease out there. I went there and had no customers. Yeah, that's a real dangerous planet now. Thank goodness the AFK bots were able to make Endor as easy as Naboo.
You can argue that the damage is minor. I can't necessarily disagree with you there. But keep your head out of the sand please and don't try to tell us that making advanced planets needlessly easier is not damaging.
All you anti-afk folks just need to get off your soap-boxes, really.
As evidenced by the post called something like "Yay, and thanks to all the AFK entertainers", there are 100% valid reasons to macro dance/music while AFK.
In the same vien, why don't we get rid of factories? Isn't that just Crafting professionals crafting while AFK? yeap.. better kill that. Oh, and while we're at it, get rid of the Politician and Merchant skills, too, as they don't do anything active at the keyboard to earn they're XP at all, so might as well just trash the entire thing.
Get over it.
I have one quiestion. How are AFK people bothering you? Who are they hurting? I just don't get it. Maybe I'm to open minded but they don't bother me a bit. P.S. Holo macroers will be gone soon anyway. They are changing the jedi. It will be quest based and not based on Mastering professions. So just leave the people alone.
Vine, Ahazi
Greatsails wrote:
I have to say I don't understand the sentiment here (hate, or dislike, love for you profession which seems to preclude love for people who play your profession differently than you, etc.). Dancers/Musicians heal BF and Mind Wounds. What difference does it make whether or not they are at their keyboard? They are healing as well as you who are.
Quite frankly, I just think they really don't deserve XP, or tips, or anything for that matter, simply because they are not actually playing. I'll be dancing my toot-toot off and watch someone come in and get healed by and AFK-er. It's just not fair, man.
Okay to the person who posted before me. You just need to hush. Your just mad because your life must be so boring you can't find anything else to fuss about. If you don't like what I posted don't read it. That's pretty simple, right. Afk ers don't hurt anything. Just gives people a reason to fuss and grip. I'm so sick of hearing it. Give it up already.
Vine, Ahazi