Dancer Archive

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Drygo wrote:

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PhoenixStar wrote:

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Drygo wrote:

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PhoenixStar wrote:

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Drygo wrote:

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PhoenixStar wrote:

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

Again these forums do no doute not even cover half the swg community and the fraction of players in these threads moaning about looping macros and the dev's donot take that into concideration when making these decisions.. I't would be better in these situations if soe, placed a voting system onto the front webpage for swg and asked the community as a whole instead of a few trying to change the game...They should be trying to reach all the swg community when making these changes not just you guys in these forums..

And by the way, those who replied to my post, What else can dancers do to make money? and what kind of person sits infront of their pc all day watching a character dance, is that what you call gameplay, their has to be more to this profession than standing around dancing all day....As I said thats all a dancer can do, so yes it is boring..And the only reason people use this profession is to gain mind buffing...And please don't say you've been dancing or entertaining for months, because it would be nice to know what you do as an entertainer that keeps you interested in that profession.

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You just hit the nail on the head, that's how you can spot a liar. No one has been playing for 6 months to a year just dancing away in the cantina without a looping macro. The only reason I still play a dancer for more than a few hours is because of my macro, I can walk away and help guildmates that need it, then I log off and play another character.

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My goodness. You act like it's the end of the world without the loop in the macro. You can still have macros, you do realize that, don't you? So, instead of having a never ending loop, you hit F1 every 5 minutes or so. The horror.

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My goodness. You act like it's the end of the world witht he loop in the macro. You can still dance and chat in the cantina with loop macros, you do realize that, don't you? So instead of hitting F1 every 5 minutes or so, you can walk away and do other things like go to work. The horror.

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The option you propose is exactly what goes on right now, and yes, it is horrible. The fact that everyone and their mother has an alt account that buffs and heals afk has completely and utterly destroyed my and many others' economic viability. You don't seem to understand this, but this is what is going on. And, the negatives of someone having to hit F1 every 5 minutes is far less than the negatives involved in destroying a professions' economic viability.

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No, your leaving destroyed your economic viability. I know many people who refuse to tip bots and actively look for live players before going to a buff bot. I fyou would go back to the cantina and try you'd see that the only thing that has changed is live entertainers have run away, except for those of us who stayed as there was no reason to leave to begin with.

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So very wrong, in the last 2 weeks alone, I have made a concerted effort to visit the Coronet Cantina on the server that I most play. All four times I stayed between 1 and 4 hours. All four times there was a buffbot there. All four times I advertised my services both through indirect spatial, and by directly asking people. All four times I got no business AT ALL. Why? Because there were 15 people at a time over at the buffbot using her services while I was completely and utterly ignored. That's a FACT. Try and refute it.

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Are you a girl or were you trying to get payment because if there's someone offering a free service or if they just wanted to watch a female avatar, those could be reasons you were ignored. If you're talking about the one on Bria, she's been there for more than 2 weeks. Of course people will come back to a service they know and enjoy, that's business. Make yourself known and you'll get repeat customers. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Buff bots must die because you're not getting tips? There will always be people who offer free buffs and there will always be guys pretending to be girls to hog all the tips, deal with it. I have.

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PhoenixStar wrote:

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kirah_ashlin wrote:

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PhoenixStar wrote:

I don't know how long some of you have been here, but many of you don't sound like you know what you're talking about at all. The first month of this game EVERYONE was using macros to level through dancer/musician and most didn't even know how to loop macros. We just wrote long scripts, and went afk when we needed to. Those of you using this skewed argument about everyone being afk and not being able to be social anymore are full of it. If you really enjoyed the cantina the way I and many others did, you'd still be there regardless. AFK entertainers have been around since this game was released, so you were either there enjoying yourself at the same time, or you were never there at all.

Removing recursive macros will just mean longer macros and coming back to see if your macro is still running every few hours, it's not solving anything. What really needs to change is the tedious tasks involved with leveling through each profession. Maybe if it was more involving and entertaining people wouldn't resort to using a macro. Anyone who says that got to master dancer/musician without the use of a macro is a pitiful liar. This is as bad as the CH nerf of the past whenmany master CHs were jumping for joy that those below them wouldn't have the advantage of using a high level creature to speed through CH the way they themselves did.

I could see if they were going to wipe all of the servers and make everyone start from scratch(after they fixed all of the bugs and finished "balancing" the classes), but since they aren't it's just going to be tedious for all of the new players. Those of us who have been around a long time and have mastered our classes can sit around on high horses and pretend we had some sort of struggle, but all this is doing is ensuring that new players will leave. Two of my friends quit within the same week they started because of the tediousness involved with leveling in this game. Fix that before tackling the AFK macroing issue, and I can assure you all that more people will be playing.

This is will not change a thing in cantinas, I doubt they'll ever be the same as they used to be. Those of us that were there, and still are there do it because we actually like chatting there. A few bots can't stop you from doing that as the ignore feature is so easy to use. I graduated from BS 101, so I'm pretty sure I've erradicated that excuse. My work here is done.

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I find it amazing when people make absurd claims that they know what each and everyplayer in the game has done, is doing or will do. You don't know that everyone used macros from the beginning so kindly don't make outlandish statements like that.

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You expect people to believe that you've never ever created a macro? If you really didn't, then you really have a nack for repetition. Congratulations, you've won...! I use recursive macros when I am and when I'm not afk, pressing the same buttons repeatedly every battle or every dance session is tedious and boring. I've mastered my professions long ago, there's nothing to gain from continuously button pushing when there's a neat little feature that can do it for me allowing me to chat with my friends.

This much I do know, without recursive macros, many of the people who are still here would have left by now. Quite a few people who play some of the less interesting professions still do so to help their guildsor just to provide a service to friends and new players. Not everyone plays at peak hours, should they have to wait around in empty cantinas and hospitals for hours on end because the people who hate recursive macros are asleep? You're not going to win some award for mastering a profession without a macro, nor are you better than someone who mastered a profession with a macro. Recursive macros gave casual players the chance to be on par with the powergamers with no lives that can sit around all day and night playing the game. Some of us have to work, or take care of children, and whatever else during the day. So when you can finally sit down to log into the game, it's nice to know that you can have a chat or go off hunting with your friends without grinding through a profession.

Maybe, just maybe the devs could make grouping more viable and non-combat professions more entertaining for the player. Then people wouldn't have a need for macros to begin with. Right now combat professions can solo every creature in the game, and entertainers/artisans need only stand/sit around staring at the same action/screen repeatedly. I feel sorry for every artisan who hasn't mastered their profession, as they'll be hit the hardest by this. There's nothing fun about clicking items a and b and pressing enter as fast as you can. You get the same result every time you press a button, that's ok for a while, not everyone wants to do that for months.

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Heh, thanks for not addressing my postwhile continuing to beat your dead horse some more. Did I say I don't use macros? Nope, I did not. What I countered was your continued insistance that YOU know ALL and that YOU know better than anyone who YOU assume has had less time in the game than you claim to have. Unfortunately, any GOOD ideas you may have are lost inside the arrogant attutude you have shown us here so far.

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Neutronos wrote:

I doubt any of you dancers / musicians who already mastered this did it without any use of macros. Cmon tell me im wrong.

Offcourse you didnt use macros. It just so easy not to.

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You are *wrong* I mastered dancer not once but *twice* without a single macro, flourishing manually every single flourish. And it was FUN!!

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

Drygo:

That just show why people like you complain, this is exactly what happens in real life and compation, if their was a buffbot taking trade why didn't you fine another planet or city that night? use your brains m8, if their is already someone there move onto another cantina, stand in starports do what you have to, but not get the game altered because you and others have compation in your trade, thats an ecconemy and thats also the same in real life m8.

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I was responding to someone that claimed that we could compete with a buffbot. I was proving to him that we couldn't.

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PhoenixStar wrote:

No, your leaving destroyed your economic viability. I know many people who refuse to tip bots and actively look for live players before going to a buff bot. I fyou would go back to the cantina and try you'd see that the only thing that has changed is live entertainers have run away, except for those of us who stayed as there was no reason to leave to begin with.

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So very wrong, in the last 2 weeks alone, I have made a concerted effort to visit the Coronet Cantina on the server that I most play. All four times I stayed between 1 and 4 hours. All four times there was a buffbot there. All four times I advertised my services both through indirect spatial, and by directly asking people. All four times I got no business AT ALL. Why? Because there were 15 people at a time over at the buffbot using her services while I was completely and utterly ignored. That's a FACT. Try and refute it.

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Are you a girl or were you trying to get payment because if there's someone offering a free service or if they just wanted to watch a female avatar, those could be reasons you were ignored. If you're talking about the one on Bria, she's been there for more than 2 weeks. Of course people will come back to a service they know and enjoy, that's business. Make yourself known and you'll get repeat customers. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Buff bots must die because you're not getting tips? There will always be people who offer free buffs and there will always be guys pretending to be girls to hog all the tips, deal with it. I have.

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This the best you can come up with? You refuse to see the other side, that there might be some truth in what I'm saying. At least I'm willing to admit it's hard for people find buffs sometimes. But, instead of coming up with half-cocked arguments I prefer to try to work with people so that we can all be happy and that people know that they can get my services when I'm online. It always boils down to this. After I refute every argument somebody makes they finally come down to the one that is most difficult to refute, "you're not good at what you do." Well, how can I prove to you that I am? Not sure I can. But, I assure you, I am one of the best buffers around, I am good at working the crowd and I used to be good at making a name for myself before a 23/7 afk buffbot that can do dual dancer/musician buffs put me out of business.. Your assumption is 100% incorrect. The only thing you're right about is that people will choose a bot like that over me...every time. That's the point. Afk buffbots have decimated and destroyed any viability whatsoever for the ATK entertainer. I'm absolutely NOT going to deal with it, nor should I have to. I will absolutely not standby and let my profession get ruined. If the devs hadn't made this decision this argument would continue to go on and on and on. The real entertainers would NEVER give up this fight, and you would have to just deal with that until it got fixed. Instead, I'm going to tell you, deal with the fact that you can't run your buffbot 23/7 anymore.

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

yes you can, your not even trying.

Why not go find a beginners planet and buff beginners? don't charge so much but you will no doute have more customers, so it will balance out. There are more then one cantina on planets, go find one for your self and advertise..Push what you have and forget what others are doing. I spent 4 weeks becoming a tk, night after night, being tired at work, so for dancer I'm looping my macros to get dancer master and getting a good nights sleep, at the end of the day people use looping macros for just more than buffbots, and another thing, even without buffbots, what makes you so sure the person running a buffbot car'nt still take your trade? just because it's auto running doesn't mean they won't take your trade from you. they could be their all day and still keep the custome...

And anyway, just because you live on a planet, does not make the cantina your domain, hence compition/ecconomics/trade it's who gets there first and establishs good trade, bott or not..

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Trust me, I've tried. And, yes, I am much more likely to sell a buff in Theed than I am in Coronet. But, what you don't understand is that up until a month or so ago there was no buffbot in Coronet on my server (Kettemoor). I was able to make a living there, but them someone decided it would be a bright idea to put one there. What makes you think that if this system were to go unchecked that eventually there wouldn't be a buffbot in every Cantina? Kettemoor was one of the lucky ones that didn't have the buffbots taking over for a long time. I also havea master dancer in Tarquinas. And, the buffbots were not only already in Coronet, but they were in Theed too. They will have continued to spread throughout the entire galaxy on every galaxy, and it is imperative that it be stopped ASAP before that happened.

Also, I reject your notion that afk is competition. It's not. In a gaming model, competition does not involve afk. That is called an unfair advantage. Someone else on another thread tried to bring the economic model of real world into the game world, but I'm sorry, it just does not apply. The only way to compete with a buffbot is to become a buffbot. And, neither I, nor most of the real entertainers, nor the devs want the entire entertainer profession to become buffbots. It's bad for our profession and bad for the game.

Now, if there is "bot" in a Cantina that has a macro, no matter how long, but is at their computer enough to be able to click an F1 button every so often, then so be it. At least that's closer to true game competition. But, that buffbot will no longer be 23/7 dependable. And, people will no longer be trained to always use the one option...go to Coronet and use the buffbot. People are creatures of habit, you see, and they will take the path of least resistance. People are now *conditioned* to do this because it's always there. There's no competition here. There's a usurping of a role meant to be played by live people. And, I will be there for people when the buffbot is not there. And, I'll be there for people when the buffbot is there. And, at least when the buffbot is gone, people will realize there are other avenues to follow and hopefully grow to prefer a competent live buffer instead of automatically making a beeline to the bot just because they've been conditioned to do so.