Dancer Archive
Thread: Reactions from the other correspondents?
Tanks wrote:Pappi said:my viewpoint will remain this: if you need healing RIGHT THIS MOMENT and can't wait for a "professional" entertainer, pick up novice entertainer.I think you are confusing this post with the "other post" on the corr. forum, that reply belongs there. You know, you do not need to get into an attack mode on any entertainer related subject. But, the entertainer community is very lucky in that they have 3 official and 2 unofficial correspondants.
BTW, when are the player cities going to be able to get BH informants?A lot of cities are asking for that, any news from the devs?I do not have much of an issue of AFK bots going away. I do have an issue with recursion going away, This whole post has been about that.
you've seen my pre-CB documentation that include those spynet guys (?), and you've seen how much the devs pay attention to me. I have that on my list, but I have bugs that I can't even get them to acknowledge yet.
and it's not personal hon, if another corr came onto the forum and said the same thing, I would've had the same responses. I have my reply here because this thread is (appropriately called) "reactions from the other correspondents?", and that's my reaction from a lot of the discussion that took place on THIS forum.
I don't have a problem with keeping recursion either, but they need to implement a timer on how long a certain macro can run or recursively call itself. however, if that's not possible (due to either dev resource or time limits), this is better than nothing.
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
Don't even think about blaming the afk'rs or the recursive macroers... The dev's already coded in a system to deal with the afk spammers....it comes down to one other primary concern...the afk buff bot.
and Thats been NewJedi's, Panthu's andTiaga's hot topic for months.
Reap what you sow...
Message Edited by hawkbatleader1 on 08-04-2004 08:13 PM
As well it should be. Buffbots are gamebreaking for us, and they need to be dealt with. It is not fair or wise to completely destroy another profession for the convenience and on demand services of everyone else, no matter how few people play that profession. And, I will stand by that viewpoint until the day I die. And, I am extraordinarily thankful that we have 3 corrs that realize that and are not afraid to speak up for us and the professions that we love. And, I'm not a corr or anything, I'm just a lowly player. But, I can tell you, I am fully prepared to reap whatever I sow here by speaking out. People can complain and hate me all they want. But, if people just take the time to get to know me and other entertainers, they'll see that we are not evil people, we just want our profession saved. Is that *really* that much to ask?
I'm going to make a huge concerted effort to be there to buff people. I am fully aware that I will take my part in the responsibility of stepping up to the plate after months of complaining to do this for people, and provide a much needed service. That's what I want to do, and that's all I've ever wanted to do as far as my interdependent role within the galaxy is concerned. And, I am very willing and hopeful that other ideas come to fruition to help out people to get their BF healed and their mind buffs. It wouldn't bother me one bit if Cantinas could heal BF slowly. I would absolutely *love* to be able to produce holo recordings to sell to people who need mind buffs in their off hours. There are so many options and I will certainly do my best as a forum poster to lobby for these kinds of things just as much as I lobbied to get rid of buffbots. Because, when it all comes down to it, "I care." All I want is for my profession to be economically viable. But, I also want...and I mean this with all sincerity, to make it so that people who need mind buffs can get them from us any time of the day, through holorecordings or any other idea someone can come up with. But, I absolutely will not stand by or play a game that makes my profession of choice useless.
The devs decided to do what they were gonna do, and I firmly believe we weren't the only reason they did this. And, unless the devs say otherwise, that is what I'm going to continue to believe. But, the fact of the matter is, that's what they decided to do. And, while it may not have been the best possible option, that's what's going to happen. And, I promise you, I will do my best to be there for people when they need that mindbuff. All I ask in return is respect, fair payment, and the acknowledgement that it's not right to ruin the professions and cyberlives of the few for the convenience of the many.
Drygo wrote:
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
Don't even think about blaming the afk'rs or the recursive macroers... The dev's already coded in a system to deal with the afk spammers....it comes down to one other primary concern...the afk buff bot.
and Thats been NewJedi's, Panthu's andTiaga's hot topic for months.
Reap what you sow...
Message Edited by hawkbatleader1 on 08-04-2004 08:13 PM
As well it should be. Buffbots are gamebreaking for us, and they need to be dealt with. It is not fair or wise to completely destroy another profession for the convenience and on demand services of everyone else, no matter how few people play that profession.
Lack of available entertainers and Buffers is game breaking for a large majority of us. Afk'rs and BuffBots came about as a result of the NEED for services to be rendered
So...which 'gamebreaker' is more important?
Entertainers can entertain without people watching.
Battle fatigue cannot be healed without an entertainer. Buffs cannot occur without a Dancer or Musician.
I'd say the majority who needs bf heals and buffs are more important (in a business sense, not in a social/individual way...this is not a personalattack on anyone who chooses to play an entertainer...or your 'validity' as a person or player) than an entertainer.
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
Drygo wrote:
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
Don't even think about blaming the afk'rs or the recursive macroers... The dev's already coded in a system to deal with the afk spammers....it comes down to one other primary concern...the afk buff bot.
and Thats been NewJedi's, Panthu's andTiaga's hot topic for months.
Reap what you sow...
Message Edited by hawkbatleader1 on 08-04-2004 08:13 PM
As well it should be. Buffbots are gamebreaking for us, and they need to be dealt with. It is not fair or wise to completely destroy another profession for the convenience and on demand services of everyone else, no matter how few people play that profession.
Lack of available entertainers and Buffers is game breaking for a large majority of us. Afk'rs and BuffBots came about as a result of the NEED for services to be rendered
So...which 'gamebreaker' is more important?
Entertainers can entertain without people watching.
Battle fatigue cannot be healed without an entertainer. Buffs cannot occur without a Dancer or Musician.
I'd say the majority who needs bf heals and buffs are more important (in a business sense, not in a social/individual way...this is not a personalattack on anyone who chooses to play an entertainer...or your 'validity' as a person or player) than an entertainer.
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
Look way back at the ranger forums...almost a year ago now...when I was a big proponent of BF healing in the advanced ranger camps, and holos of entertainers for field healing....
I fought that fight almost a year ago...and lost.
I believe you. I've also always been a big proponent of being able to heal BF in camps...back when I was a noob and I wanted to go out and see the world and not be stuck in a Cantina. I wanted to go dance for people and heal their BF in camps. Of course, that never came to fruition when I asked for it either.
But, things *are* going to be different now. Most people acknowledge that since the entertainer professions have been decimated by afk that those of us left may be struggling to keep up with demand. People, entertainers and combat players alike, may find it the right time to come together and try to come up with these options and solutions so that we can all be happy.
Then again, maybe not...considering how much both sides seem to be insulting each other. But, it's a nice thought, isn't it?
So, right back at ya.. reap what you sow.
So yea, when entertainers after months finally get a light that the spiral of death for the entertainer professions may be halted, of course we're going to cheer. Just as much as Creature Handlers would cheer once they get word the rest of the galaxy is going to be 'revamped' to the levels they were set at months ago. Just as much as the 30 other professions will cheer once the jedi FRS is no longer based on farming GCW overts that have no defense against the god class. Just as normal combat players will be when certain jedi stop forcerunning ahead of other teams in dungeons once they're cleared and killstealing and lootstealing. Just as much as combat players will when they can go back into medical centers that AREN'T full of AFK tumblers and AFK healers.
This is a first step to recovery for the entertainer professions. As many have said, it doesn't necessarily have to be *this* particular step to aid in the *entertainers* recovery, however, the devs apparently wish to address AFK play in MANY circumstances, so why would they at this time focus on a single solution for a single profession when AFK play exists and is damaging elsewhere?
Thanks Garvin. I figured that's what you meant but the first port sort of came across not quite that clear
Vorpaks wrote:
In high school the star football player raped a girl. She got him (eventually) sent to jail. For the next year and a half that she was in school she was subjected to extreme amounts of mental and even physical abuse from many of the team and many of the students, who felt the loss of the player hurt the whole school. The backlash on these forums reminds me of that situation.
There is a difference. And a big one.
In this game, the girl is bragging daily about sending the player to jail, all the while thumbing her nose at the impact it had on the team.
Granted, he belongs in jail, but she brings more attention to herself by bragging about it. That's another differencetoo-looping macros belong in the game until the devs fix the tedium that looping macros alleviate.
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
So what killed the entertainers? my guess is the boring repetition of it...I know thats why I stopped....I chose the more exciting route.
Message Edited by Drygo on 08-05-2004 05:08 AM
hawkbatleader1 wrote:
One flourish functions EXACTLY the same as another, for game mechanic purposes.
If a swordsman has 2 attacks that share the same effect, and different animations, and only one worked....it would not affect his/her gameplay.
And yes....the correspondants pushing for the end of the recursive macro have been the entertainer correspondants...representing YOU, the entertainers. So you SHOULD expect a high level of in game backlash regarding this change.
You have NOT achieved a FIX to your classes, you HAVE achieved a NERF to the macroing system that was available to the entire player base.
In other words you are saying that two entire elite professions have exactly ONE special each? In that case there is even more reason we should get MAJOR DEV attention.
What it really means is you are absolutely clueless about our professionan and what we have been asking the DEVs for. Taking away recursive macros wasn't even on the radar, we had many more and far more useful potential fixes for the buffbot issue, ones htat would have benefited us and the entire rest of the player base. The DEVs are planning on removing recursive macros because of ALL the abuses of the system not just the buffbots and zombies in the cantinas.
Get a clue as to what you are talking about before you come into our forum and start accusing us of ruining your game play.