Creature Handler Archive
Thread: CH and BE pets. Should they last forever?
Valid point on the faction pets. I would say there is valid arguement to make the organic faction pets the same as CH/BE pets, but the inorganic pets should stay as they are. With this enhancement to the organic faction pets though they would need to have the same drawbacks - meaning one week of play-time til full potential.
You didn't address any of the other points that make pets and weapons/armor different. Perhaps you needed more time.
Sylvanrain wrote:
With the market on Armor, Weapons, and Artisan Items constantly in flux where items must be replaced when they get old and used up this ensures that the need for these items remains high. What happens to the market of pets? The way it is going now wouldn't the demand drop off considerably over time if there is no need to refresh the current population of pets in the game? Are there any systems in place or in the works that will ensure the future of CH and BE similar to that of the Armorsmith or Weaponsmith?
Just a concern i have.
Kharrissa wrote:
"You didn't address any of the other points that make pets and weapons/armor different. Perhaps you needed more time"
I guess I do need more time. I see pets and weapons as very different, and I do not really see how the difference is relevant to the point that I am making.
Part of the problem with this whole thing is that some people see permadeath as another "nerf." I am failing to see how this is a nerf at all. To me, a nerf is something that makes me significantly weaker. Permadeath is not going to make me significantly weaker.
Maybe some of you who think that it will make you significantly weaker can explain that to me.
How would this be a nerf???? Ok let me list why it would be a nerf...
1) BE pets cost hundred of thousands of credits. For a worthwhile one that is. Weapons cost 5k. If i have to replace a 100k pet every 2 weeks than I might as well drop the profession or look for rares beacause it is not going to happen.
2) Pets take 7 days yes 7 DAYS to grow to be worthwhile in combat. So once a pet is permadeath we have to wait a whole 7 days to do any sort of combat again ( for those who CH is the only way of doing dmg )
3) Wild pets take a good amount of searching and luck to find.I am not going to have my rare that I found after weeks of endless searching taken away just so a BE can sell a few more pets.
4) CH has alreadybeen"damned"... its bugged, its only good at master level, the pathfinding postcrackdown is FUBAR... what do we do? Anyone wanna makea bet on how many weeks it will take for pathfinding AND range attack use special attack (3 months of brokeness) to be fixed?
5) BE can make loads and I mean LOADS of cash off stims, food addtives and other stuff.
There is no need for a peramdeath system, CH is already a time sink, a cash sink, and a garbled piece of code. A further cash sink and time sink is not nessesary.
PLEASE for the survival of this profession stop crying nerf and go sell stims... dont destroy one profession in order to get more moola. Is it that hard to ask? 
"PLEASE for the survival of this profession stop crying nerf and go sell stims... dont destroy one profession in order to get more moola. Is it that hard to ask?"
Apparently, it is too much to ask. You raise several interesting points, none of which address the central issue.
Why would you have to replace a valuable pet every two weeks?
A pet takes several days to grow to full maturity. What does that have to do with the price of eggs? Are you saying that you only have one pet?
It is quite an accomplishment to find a rare. Agreed. You are making my point for me.
I am not a BE and I do not sell stims. So, your response might be appropriate for BEs, but how does it relate to me?
What I am getting is a hysterical response. You want to call anything that you disagree with a "nerf" because you have learned that cheap appeals to emotion work all too well here.
For those of you have pointed out that there are several things that should be fixed first, fine, I have already agreed with that.
Department of Redundancy Department: I am in this game for the long haul and I am patient. I will be here long after some of you have moved on to Care Bears Online or whatever your next destination is.
"Thanks for listening,...*shrugs, hopes he got through with his point, shakes his head and walks away*"
You know when they got rid of the general forums, I thought we were rid of the nerf whiners. Lately, it seems that all the littlesweetheartsare back again with the same old songs. Of course,a certain SoE official referring to the 'poke..' term in a recent post just gave them the boost they needed to return to 'whack-a-CH' mode.
darknacht wrote:
You know when they got rid of the general forums, I thought we were rid of the nerf whiners. Lately, it seems that all the littlesweetheartsare back again with the same old songs. Of course,a certain SoE official referring to the 'poke..' term in a recent post just gave them the boost they needed to return to 'whack-a-CH' mode.
It does seem that CH hate is coming back strong, doesn't it?...
Kharrissa wrote:
"You didn't address any of the other points that make pets and weapons/armor different. Perhaps you needed more time"
I guess I do need more time. I see pets and weapons as very different, and I do not really see how the difference is relevant to the point that I am making.
Part of the problem with this whole thing is that some people see permadeath as another "nerf." I am failing to see how this is a nerf at all. To me, a nerf is something that makes me significantly weaker. Permadeath is not going to make me significantly weaker.
Maybe some of you who think that it will make you significantly weaker can explain that to me.
Well, for me at least, if permadeath was introduced and the power of the pets were to remain, i think i would probably sit on it in hope that things will change (yes i know, dream on right?) then probably give up the class and spend the skill pts into something morepractical like say pistoleer/smuggler to go with my TKM which will smack mostMCH creaturesdown in a blink of an eye.
Why? my pets cap all the time and i dont really want to log on each timeand have to maintain the class by going out to get a new creaturebecause i didbattle the night before. as it is currently, i dont even use my pets most of the time because they dont give me a siginificant logical advantage for most PvE mobs except when it comes to say the Nightsister stronghold on dathomir. Only then do they serve as a delay and a means for me to buy time to escape when it gets too hot for me or my group mates.
To give you an example on this, if i were to send out my pet against a group of enraged rancors, i cannot leave my pet to tank alone for me. while i can perfectly handle an enraged rancor on my own, my pet cant so i have to make sure im hitting the target that i told him to go after. Is this efficient? not really. Im way better off going in there, KD/Warcry, repeat and unarmed 2 & 3. In fact i clear a nest this way more efficiently without my pet.
When does a pet useful for me now? Sad to say but on a practical front, i use it as bait to lure nightsisters out or keep them preoccupied while my groupmates and myselfleverage to get in more hits, escape etc. My pet, needless to say, caps and gets DBed always. In the case of permadeath, i would have to go spend a few hours tamining and training tomorrow for todays fun with the nightsisters with friends, while they, run another raid. On the same front, i have to wait for them to grow. Is this fun? maybe for some but not for me at least.
To be honest, If on the flipside, permadeath was introduced and the power of creatures was upped to the stats of old where a webmaster would have medium armor etc and more, then sure. I believe i couldcome to accept the trade off.in fact, i would say that the stats should be even be a bit betterthen that so while the possibilty to permantly kill a creature of an MCH is there, it should be a challenge to do so. Otherwise, if with current stats permadeath was introduced, asking me to tank my pet for whoever/whatever in the group would be a red carpet invitation for a quick smack to the mouth
This is of course my PoV as a player who looks at it from a practical use stand point. If i was collecting, my pets will only see light of day in the privacy of home or unless i was sure of its safety.
Message Edited by Windsplitter on 02-15-2004 08:10 PM
Cant sample anything in the cave, its all above CL75 apparently
Blod wrote:
I gave up my Bio-engineering skills in favor of helping my guild in another way, MCH I am not giving up, but I look forward to seeing what my MBE friends can do with the new Geonosian Cave DNA,....might prove to be quite interesting. I sure miss taming the wild stuff though.....my MBE stuff is harder to replace than the Arachne Webmaster I got a week after the change, I really would hate to have them perma-die.
Thanks for listening,...
*shrugs, hopes he got through with his point, shakes his head and walks away*
CavemanGamer wrote:
BINGO.
only BE's would want this - not CH's (except CH's who are BE's).
2 points:
1- this is NOT a change.
This is some guy posting a Pro-BE comment on the CH forum (just like the BH's do on the Jedi forum).
If I go to another profession forum and suggest something out of interest of another profession, then I'd be called a "troll" - that's all this is.
There is a system in place for vitality.
We've been down this road before.
The devs have already spoken on this issue.
It's been addressed, it's been fixed, it's been tweaked, it doesn't need to change.
2 - I'm sick and tired of getting nerfed for every other profession.
When are the other professions in this game going to be satisfied with the level of nerfage to the CH profession?