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Thread: upcoming changes

Esharra
Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:19 am
#53






Sunjammer wrote:
(and who will now have to get acquainted with another armoursmith if Carenzi is going away. Only two boxes from Novice Ranger, too).




Carenzi makes terrible armor. He really only took it up to provide inexpensive costume armor for entertainers. I highly recommend Faint, Jmkar or Ackire.

Message Edited by Esharra on 06-21-2005 12:23 PM



Esharra ěsh-äŕ-rä, noun
1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)


Chessack
Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:22 am
#54


Esharra wrote:
Dancer and Musician XP gain will not be limited to the NPC and player-owned buildings which were formerly associated with Entertainer Healing XP. Inspirations will only be available in these locations (so far this has not changed & I don't expect it will). Venues are always needed. We are just becoming a little more independent of some of them.




/montyburns excellent...

This is what I wanted to hear. XP can be gained anywhere.

There goes the excuse the public, spamming AFK macro-bots had with healing XP. When we told them, "Go AFK macro in a private place with your little private group of friends," they always insisted they couldn't do this because they wouldn't be able to get healing XP.

Well, healing XP is going bye-bye and they can get knowledge XP anywhere. Group size is capped at 8 so it's not like they can even be in a big group anymore.

SO... they no longer have the slightest justification for AFKing in a public place. Not that they really did before, but this is much more clearly defined now. They will be CLEARLY being abusive now, once this change goes in -- since they could now 100% master the profession in a private house. The argument could thus be made (and trust me, oh trust me, I will make it over and over again until someone listens) that anyone who AFKs in a public cantina is now a griefer... since they could do their AFKing in private to exactly the same effect.

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Dejah Thoris
Dancer, Musician, Image Designer
Kor Spera, Corellia, Naritus
Esharra
Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:30 am
#55








Chessack wrote:
SO... they no longer have the slightest justification for AFKing in a public place.


C




And I hope the FS grinders will have the decency to group up together somewhere privately.




Esharra ěsh-äŕ-rä, noun
1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)


Caerwynn
Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:25 pm
#56


To clarify my position on the combat alt thing:


Caer did not start out as an ent. She had novice so that she could dance socially for months. But TKM was always her thing, up front keeping the bad guys off the boys behind with their ranged weapons. This suited the red head down to the ground. She was a good and proficient tank and not scared to solo even enraged rancors on her own (although not always successfully). After a long term romance ended she took up Dancing, more seriously, on a whim and loved it. Through dancing she eventually met her wonderful husband, Safim and now he has returned to playing music and they both perform with Nebula.


However she kept a combat elite profession. When the rules of engagement where changed by Imperial Edict, she heard in advance through her links with Jabba that TKM would no longer be the joy it was and ahead of the enforced changes she took up Pikes. But being a hybrid, her HAM was just too low for serious combat. She is now considering other options, although dropping dancing is not one of them, Jabba requires her to dance for him regularly as Oola refuses to learn flourishes, or any other dance.


Her good friend Araiya traced her to this corner of the Universe, on Caer's advice she took up a full combat role in order to be more useful to Jabba and assist on the tough missions he hands out to SEA from time to time. With the CL of 80 and CH abilities, she is a cool tough blonde up to any challenge.


Sibie is an sweet, innocent young Zabrak, taken under Caer's wing. She does not have the abilities to use more than a basic weapon. Her parents brought her up to be more of a decoration and trophy bride than an independent woman. But she has managed to escape that life and is carving a role out for herself as an architect and helping to create the guild's mall.


If you have read all of that, thank you, and perhaps you see why some of us have more than one char. There are so many areas of the game to try and not all of us want to be constantly changing templates and it's not always feasible to do so if you are an RPer.


Message Edited by Caerwynn on 06-21-2005 08:27 AM



Caerwynn (Caerwynn') Royce Grand Master Entertainer and Smuggler
Guild Leader of the Dune Sea Desperadoes. Member of Nebula
Various girls with skills and stuff.

Einhinder
Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:56 pm
#57

I thnk one of the majot concerns her is the time between when bf goes byby and the new buffs are implemented. because lets face it with no reason other than the current inspiration buffs people are not going to come see entertainers anymore the cantinas will die even more now some of you may resent being trapped in a cantina as a dancer but i like it i liek that everyone comes there the impromput parties that accur and all the friends ive made ig i met in a cantina pretty much. so ya they can introduce these great new buffs but in the down time between the two things happening people are gonna break the habit of going ot cantinasand im afraid te new uffs wont be enough to bring them back especially when they can jsut log on a dorment buffbott acount and set it up in there grinding town to see to themselves firendsand guildmates.





Fainora Sarrasri

F K O D | S A G E
FuschiaD
Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:10 pm
#58

I'm not sure there's going to be ANY downtime between the removal of BF and the implementation of the new stuff. Maybe it's just me but it sounded like they were going to do that all at the same time.






~*~ F U S C H I A D A R K W A L K E R ~*~
Yes, I'm a respec Jedi. Get over it.
~*~ A V A D I H A L O N A - S O E P ~*~
Entertainer For Life - COMPNOR Eye Candy

"You don't really rank around here unless you've been flamed by Oben, trolled by Mono, set straight by Geen, got caught in a love triangle between Cherry and Anoq, had your house decorated by Kipera, hugged by Esin, fondled by Fuschia, had IG respond with something inane and nonsensical, or at the very least been (a.) asked "can I have your stuff" or (b.) been accused of being a Todd by any number of random Tarquinian posters." --TalonKarrdeTN/Tyndaleon


Loranna
Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:17 pm
#59

I think the adding of props and the like is a great idea, and I have been wondering when they where going to give us something worth while to make up for our skills they took out. But I think the removel of BF is a bad idea, unless they do that at the same time as adding the new buffs, also I think they should make sure the new buffs be worth it, and I also think it would help if we can choose what buffs to give people, that way everyone is not getting all the buffs, cause some may not need them, or whatever. But if they dont make dancer worth it, than I think they should reduce the SP cost so that we can still do other things in the game and be able to dance also.




Loranna Sadora

Y Starsider Y
Master Dancer / Interior Decorator

Chessack
Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:09 pm
#60



FuschiaD wrote:
I'm not sure there's going to be ANY downtime between the removal of BF and the implementation of the new stuff. Maybe it's just me but it sounded like they were going to do that all at the same time.





It's unclear. But there needs to be NONE. There cannot be down time between them or the previous poster is right -- cantinas will die.

C



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Dejah Thoris
Dancer, Musician, Image Designer
Kor Spera, Corellia, Naritus
AthenaeWayfarer
Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:17 pm
#61

I am concerned about the loss ofthe dancer'sability to cure battle fatigue since it seems to lessen our interdependence with other professions.


However, that being said I am sure there is a better system out there and am glad to hear thatentertainers will hopefully be receiving more positive inspirations.


A shift from providing a service that a player has no choice in seeking out to remove a negative effect, to one that a player desires to seek out to add a positive effect seems like a good thing.


My major concernson the road to new inspirations are as follows:

1.) These inspirations be valuable enough that players will want to seek them out .

2.) These inspirations do not overlap with the chef profession.

3.) These new inspirations encourage/are effective only with ATK play.


And finally, wouldn't itmake more sensefor BF healing to be phased out simultaneously with the introduction of the new inspirations?


Thanks for reading.



Athenae Wayfarer, « Starsider »
Einhinder
Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:23 pm
#62






Chessack wrote:





FuschiaD wrote:

I'm not sure there's going to be ANY downtime between the removal of BF and the implementation of the new stuff. Maybe it's just me but it sounded like they were going to do that all at the same time.










It's unclear. But there needs to be NONE. There cannot be down time between them or the previous poster is right -- cantinas will die.

C





there also needs to be huge ig pr on these new buffs because most of the player base still has no idea what imspiration buffs are i find myself explainingthem to people dialy they need to send a mass email or system messages or something to attract the people to them not jsut a patch noe which alot of people dont read.





Fainora Sarrasri

F K O D | S A G E
Tammylynn
Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:48 pm
#63






--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

By the way...Why are we hated somuch and doctors are not??






You know for the life of me I have never felt like I was ever hated, I honestly have been treated very well by almost everyone. Except other entertainers.


The only time I felt unwelcome was when I refused to join some groups so I may enjoy playing bandflos and a varrity of songs.


The people I have seen complain about battle fatigue are the same ones that complained about Dr. buffs and when Solo missions were changed and on and on. They will never be pleased.

Maisland
Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:07 pm
#64




Tammylynn wrote:





--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

By the way...Why are we hated somuch and doctors are not??





You know for the life of me I have never felt like I was ever hated, I honestly have been treated very well by almost everyone. Except other entertainers.


The only time I felt unwelcome was when I refused to join some groups so I may enjoy playing bandflos and a varrity of songs.


The people I have seen complain about battle fatigue are the same ones that complained about Dr. buffs and when Solo missions were changed and on and on. They will never be pleased.


I have seen the majority of the hate for Entertainers expressed here on the Forums and only very rarely In Game. The worst hate I have ever experienced In Game was when I was doing the Theater Manager Quest and was dancing near a Doctor's buff line at the Starport... and the Doctor in question told me to go back to the cantina "where I belong" and that if I wanted to make any kind of living, that I should get a "real profession." Most of the other people there though, took up for me and thought the Doctor was being rude. Personally, I must admit that I was a bit surprised and dismayed at the Doctor's attitude as most Doctors I have met In Game were nice people who had no problem with me performing near their buff lines (many of them even gave me Quickness buffs for free). I suppose though, that every profession must have its bad apples.



I survived the CU


I can not survive the NGE


Chessack
Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:56 pm
#65



Einhinder wrote:
there also needs to be huge ig pr on these new buffs because most of the player base still has no idea what imspiration buffs are i find myself explaining them to people dialy




In general SOE's documentation of updates and changes, especially the CU, has SUCKED.

They need to fix that. Documentation should be the FIRST order of business, not the last. 99% of the major CU frustrations people experienced the first couple of weeks could have been allviated by putting out a new manual.

C



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Dejah Thoris
Dancer, Musician, Image Designer
Kor Spera, Corellia, Naritus
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