Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Truce
SkyPreacher1
Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:46 am
#40
JodoKai,
As in all Truces that is the sticker. We can continue to be at war or we can say, we have had enough. Personally, if this is TH's idea of being SOE's PR man they are in worse trouble than any of us thought.
When you offer truce what we are saying is that we the undersigned will refrain from flaming you, TH, and do offer our apologies for doing so in the past in the hope that we can begin some constructive dialogue. What we ask is that, you, TH or a red name directly involved in CH, come here and begin dialoguing with us.
One prerequisite is that TH suck up the courage to say he was sorry for insulting us whether that was intentional or not in seriousness or just joking the comments about cowardly pets and pokepet masters has left a deep and bitter taste in the guts of all CH's who have been here from the start.
And lastly, as with all truces this truce can be withdrawn if there is no movement from the other side.
PS Pluto, Tivo, anyone want to go and find when the last red name appeared in this forum and the last time TH was here? I bet you can nail it when he made the comment about the cowardly pets. I bet that was the last time and I bet that was over 6 months ago.
taloncard
Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:24 am
#41
Hey I don't count Sky?!?!?!??
That would be easy the last red name to post here was Pluto's DEV/CH peace accord
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=163192&page=1
And it was Runesabre
who posted
We are resolving two issues related to petsthat were a result of Publish 6 in a mini-publish going out this week. The issues being resolved are:
1) Pets standing on the owner or the target they are supposed to be attacking.
2) Pets running away excessively.
------------------------
Runesabre
Lead Designer
Star Wars Galaxies
Now seeing that was posted in february and the problems still exist.........................................
Pluto9Moon
Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:18 am
#42
Sky.
To give the proper credit as to posting history by devs in this forum.
From present to going backwards this is from recollection and my perspective:
1) TH posted some stuff in somone's "I caught a Rare post" ONLY after I posted I was quitting thinking he was safe from a flame, but I torched him anyway. He has not come back.
2) JustG posted in the "Corral" thread after I sent a message begging him to look at it and post something. This is after he had messaged me for flaming him in his "State of the Game" post for trivializing what the Combat Revamp did to CH. It was a bone he threw us to get me off his back about that.
3) RuneSabre posted that they were working on pets on top of us bug and pets running excessively in the "Dev/CH Peace Accord". Then told us we could help more by being on TC. This peace lasted maybe a week or two after a time of flames larger than the Chicago Fire.
4) prior to that is Vert's January "state of CH" post where RuneSabre promised that we would not have ANY MAJOR changes without CH Community participation. Seeing that they essentially did what they wanted to do to us in Nov/Dec and have involved every other profession with their Revamps ours was indeed a nerf. Now we await the revamp. This is a real stuck point for me and the fact Vert is not allowed to post we will not change in this combat revamp. What I am afraid is that we have been changed thus breaking Runes promise to us. Now granted if it is only the way combat occurs then this is no problem. It is after all what we were expecting. Since Vert cannot say we are staying the same (A la Ranger Correspondent) I infer we are indeed changing and this allows SOE to lie once more. (Note: I hope that reads I am not blaming Vert. Because I intend it to read that SOE is changing us. This forces Vert to follow the NDA. Because we are being changed it is SOE's fault for lying, yet again).
Ok there it is in a nutshell the 4 threads that caught attention this year in the CH thread.
non-flaming. just facts, mixed with perspective.
To give the proper credit as to posting history by devs in this forum.
From present to going backwards this is from recollection and my perspective:
1) TH posted some stuff in somone's "I caught a Rare post" ONLY after I posted I was quitting thinking he was safe from a flame, but I torched him anyway. He has not come back.
2) JustG posted in the "Corral" thread after I sent a message begging him to look at it and post something. This is after he had messaged me for flaming him in his "State of the Game" post for trivializing what the Combat Revamp did to CH. It was a bone he threw us to get me off his back about that.
3) RuneSabre posted that they were working on pets on top of us bug and pets running excessively in the "Dev/CH Peace Accord". Then told us we could help more by being on TC. This peace lasted maybe a week or two after a time of flames larger than the Chicago Fire.
4) prior to that is Vert's January "state of CH" post where RuneSabre promised that we would not have ANY MAJOR changes without CH Community participation. Seeing that they essentially did what they wanted to do to us in Nov/Dec and have involved every other profession with their Revamps ours was indeed a nerf. Now we await the revamp. This is a real stuck point for me and the fact Vert is not allowed to post we will not change in this combat revamp. What I am afraid is that we have been changed thus breaking Runes promise to us. Now granted if it is only the way combat occurs then this is no problem. It is after all what we were expecting. Since Vert cannot say we are staying the same (A la Ranger Correspondent) I infer we are indeed changing and this allows SOE to lie once more. (Note: I hope that reads I am not blaming Vert. Because I intend it to read that SOE is changing us. This forces Vert to follow the NDA. Because we are being changed it is SOE's fault for lying, yet again).
Ok there it is in a nutshell the 4 threads that caught attention this year in the CH thread.
non-flaming. just facts, mixed with perspective.
Joker9125
Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:42 pm
#43
welcome back pluto i didnt know you played on Valcyn whats your in gane name my character is on Valcyn to. Once I get around my schools firewall (I think ive found a way)we should get all the valcyn CH's that post here together and go rare hunting or something.
Pluto9Moon
Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:19 pm
#45
jodo,
You know the worst part is that you are half right. People call me childish for some of my posts. But the Devs took their ball home to play. All we want is open and honest discussion as to how they want to establish our niche. I am still here trying to communicate. And I do get frustrated, and I do vent, and I do scream. If you ever bang your head against the wall as often and as hard as some of us have you will scream too. It boils down to we have been lied to, been told to be patient and told to like it. SOE would rather the people who remember quit so it does not reflect bad on them in the forums than run any kind of customer service that takes a communities considerations to heart.
When SOE delivers a semi-working game and a team grounded in customer satisfaction, I will quit telling my friends that they should just wait for other titles being released soon.
Edited because I put the wrong name.
Message Edited by Pluto9Moon on 09-06-2004 01:18 PM
Wabit
Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:17 pm
#46
Pluto9Moon wrote:
When SOE delivers a semi-working game and a team grounded in customer satisfaction, I will quit telling my friends that they should just wait for other titles being released soon.
umm, i guess you'll never play a SOE game with your friends then...
back to the topic... a red name in here would be nice... i think they are afeared... an open discussion about the prof, up to this point would have just been the company line...
"we understand your concerns, and areaddressing them in thecombat balance..." it would go on to have "as CH you have already been balanced, so fell lucky you got the FIRST attention in the rebalance. We do care about the CH community, and all of your inputs are greatly apprecited and will be put into consideration for upcoming patches."
/think SOE should hire me, i can spill pure BS really easily
Wabit
Pluto9Moon
Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:19 am
#47
LOL. Wabit I get the feeling much like this thread it could be a very very very long wait.
SkyPreacher1
Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:40 pm
#48
My Fellow CH's,
This truce is becoming a joke. No PM from TH, no response of any kind here.
For me the limit of keeping it on the table is quickly approaching. When that line is crossed I will never offer my hand (unless I cut it off first) to the Devs again.
If we don't see some kind of response soon then I will throw this truce in the garbage and I will not be dragging it out again. The Devs and the PR people at SOE are the ones that are responsible for this fiasco.
Still waiting, but now the clock is ticking faster.
Tstorm
Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:54 pm
#49
I've been skimming through this thread and chuckling somewhat. I realize everyone has good intentions so I mean no offense by chuckling. One segment of the CH community is very vocal and nearly militant over their perception of the wrongs of the past and current plight of the CH community. The other segment is generally pretty satisfied, may have some issues, but continues to wait patiently while enjoying the game. Everyone means well.
The idea of a "truce", however, seems a bit silly. A truce according to Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary is "a suspension of fighting especially of considerable duration by agreement of opposing forces." If the "war" has been with the Devs, do they even acknowledge a state of war? Have the Devs agreed to a truce as would be necessary to actually have a truce?
The idea of players calling a truce with the Devs is like the 98 pound weakling telling the 300 pound bully that just beat him up, "come over here again and I'll knock your lights out!"
I see no reason to doubt that the Devs care. It's a matter of priority though and the universe doesn't revolve exclusively around Creature Handlers. The Devs will address all issues over time -- if you expect all issues to be addressed within a week you had probably better quit and find something else to do because it will never happen.
I do agree with those that desire more and better communication as I believe communication is a big part of the problem. If we knew we'd get our issues addressed in x months that would at least set our expectations accordingly. Unfortunately, there are so many posts on all these forums that it is impossible to answer every post. If a Dev actually responded to this thread, there would no doubt be followup questions from players in addition to players from other professions asking "what about us?" -- it's a lose/lose situation, which is where the Correspondants come in. As we have seen recently, the Correspondants can't tell us everything, but at least we know they *are* working behind the scenes to improve things.
If those currently in "truce" decide to go back to "war" I urge you to consider what your war actually consists of -- posts and conduct that often violates the Forum Policies and is a recipe for getting yourself suspended/banned. A better way to address issues is to work with the Devs and Correspondants in a constructive way and put away the hostility.
The idea of a "truce", however, seems a bit silly. A truce according to Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary is "a suspension of fighting especially of considerable duration by agreement of opposing forces." If the "war" has been with the Devs, do they even acknowledge a state of war? Have the Devs agreed to a truce as would be necessary to actually have a truce?
The idea of players calling a truce with the Devs is like the 98 pound weakling telling the 300 pound bully that just beat him up, "come over here again and I'll knock your lights out!"
I see no reason to doubt that the Devs care. It's a matter of priority though and the universe doesn't revolve exclusively around Creature Handlers. The Devs will address all issues over time -- if you expect all issues to be addressed within a week you had probably better quit and find something else to do because it will never happen.
I do agree with those that desire more and better communication as I believe communication is a big part of the problem. If we knew we'd get our issues addressed in x months that would at least set our expectations accordingly. Unfortunately, there are so many posts on all these forums that it is impossible to answer every post. If a Dev actually responded to this thread, there would no doubt be followup questions from players in addition to players from other professions asking "what about us?" -- it's a lose/lose situation, which is where the Correspondants come in. As we have seen recently, the Correspondants can't tell us everything, but at least we know they *are* working behind the scenes to improve things.
If those currently in "truce" decide to go back to "war" I urge you to consider what your war actually consists of -- posts and conduct that often violates the Forum Policies and is a recipe for getting yourself suspended/banned. A better way to address issues is to work with the Devs and Correspondants in a constructive way and put away the hostility.
Aakhperkare
Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:14 pm
#51
We have been waiting and working with the devs for months. We have held up our part of the deal...
SkyPreacher1
Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:28 pm
#52
Actually we can do SOE some very real harm.
How? By simply writing out our experience in SWG and sending it to every gaming magazine. IF certain people in this game were to write their horror stories of SOE non-customer service, of fixes that were bugs, of nerfs and general dissatisfaction with this product, of the hundreds maybe thousands of old players leaving the game because of SOE incompetence, then we are no longer the 90 lb weakling.
But, we choose to try and make the game better by initiating some dialogue with this Dev team and this PR man TH. I am tired of noobs who come here and have no idea how much crap we have waded through to get to this point. Of how TH came into this forum and laughed in our faces, called us names and left, never to return.
We are not powerless, we are the people, we are the customer and we can sink SOE's ship if we decide to. Our hostilities will not be on this forum they will be in the forms of letters written to every PC gaming magazine in N.A. and our voice will be heard in the market place because it sure isn't being heard in here.