Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Do the Devs want CH to go away?
For that matter, you should see TH's comments on commandos, if you think he has it in for CHs.
You're just one of those CH's who wants to have her cake and eat it too.
This profession is not broke. The only thing broke is your gaming skills.
Pluto9Moon wrote:
I never said I couldn't make 20K. My multi-accounts allow me to harvest all I want. The fact remains that you are not a CH or you would know how broke the game is for CH. If the world ever comes to a sudden stop they will need an earth move to extract from the Devs backsides.
DeneziB wrote:Why don't you try this test:
(1) Usingtwo CL35 armored pets, and your rifleman skills, attack a Piket lair, first sending out your pets, then firing your rifle from 60 meters out. Examine your combat log and record how much damage the Pikets did to you.
(2) Using no pets at all, stand 60 meters from the lair and use your rifleman skills to attack the Pikets. Examine your combat log and record how much damage the Pikets did to you.
In Test 1, you will take ZERO damage. In Test 2, you will either be nearly dead, or dead.
This is the advantage of the CH class.
But then again, you're probably one of the incompetent CHs who can't even make 20k credits an hour running missions.
taloncard wrote:
Ahem
Actually according to the manual CH is a ELITE profession. Hybrid professions are supposed to be stronger a la BH and commando.
I think the point many people are trying to make by whineing is we went from the strongest elite combat profession to the weakest. I slowly have begun to master rifleman (cause I enjoy that too) and as I get further and further in rifleman I use my pets less and less.
I read the combat screen as a comparison and as a 3/0/0/2 rifleman I do more damage per second than my 2 pets. with my t21 and headshot 3 I have hit for asmuch as 3K worth of damage in 1 shot. my pets do about 200-300 each (max total is 600).
Why is >1/2 an elite profession stronger than a master elite profession.
The Devs may never know
um Yawn
did that experment months ago with the patch that made a 50% chance that the target would aggro you and not your pets, posted the results.
Here's 0.10 go purchase a clue
taloncard wrote:
DeneziB wrote:Why don't you try this test:
(1) Usingtwo CL35 armored pets, and your rifleman skills, attack a Piket lair, first sending out your pets, then firing your rifle from 60 meters out. Examine your combat log and record how much damage the Pikets did to you.
(2) Using no pets at all, stand 60 meters from the lair and use your rifleman skills to attack the Pikets. Examine your combat log and record how much damage the Pikets did to you.
In Test 1, you will take ZERO damage. In Test 2, you will either be nearly dead, or dead.
This is the advantage of the CH class.
But then again, you're probably one of the incompetent CHs who can't even make 20k credits an hour running missions.
taloncard wrote:
Ahem
Actually according to the manual CH is a ELITE profession. Hybrid professions are supposed to be stronger a la BH and commando.
I think the point many people are trying to make by whineing is we went from the strongest elite combat profession to the weakest. I slowly have begun to master rifleman (cause I enjoy that too) and as I get further and further in rifleman I use my pets less and less.
I read the combat screen as a comparison and as a 3/0/0/2 rifleman I do more damage per second than my 2 pets. with my t21 and headshot 3 I have hit for asmuch as 3K worth of damage in 1 shot. my pets do about 200-300 each (max total is 600).
Why is >1/2 an elite profession stronger than a master elite profession.
The Devs may never know
but since you mention it:
Rifleman conceal shot took whole nest down Damage recieved: 0
CH send pets damage taked :3875 (total over all spawns enough to incap me 4 times )
Is is just me or is the underlying purpose of everyone of DeneziB'sposts nothing more thanadvertisements for BE'd Pets?
'With my two CL25 AR1, 60-65% Kinetic-Whatever I can make 200k an hour doing picket missions'
Unless you kept every good pet you made before theBE Adjustment Patch and I think those were suppose to have been adjusted as well, it was my understanding thatthe CL of BE'd Pets now reflect their stats soBE's could no longer make low-level creatures with Uber Stats ie. CL15Gurrcat w/ 10k HAM,350-400 Dmg., 65% Kinetic, 80% Blast, etc thus preventing the Dabbler issue again.
Here's a few for you to try DeneziB:
1) Find a group of social creatures.
- Send your pet to attack it.
- Call it back away from the others.
- Tell it to regage.
2) Tell your pet to attack.
- Use your special command macro (specials don't work once in combat; go devs)
3) Tell your pet to attack.
- Tell your pet to stay.
- Tell your pet to attack.
4) Tell your pet to attack something on an 80 degree incline.
I guarantee your pet will run every time you do one of these.
Maybe you don't do these. Maybe all you do is send the pet in then blast it with an overpowered weapon. Great for you, but some of us are real handlers without major combat skills. We use our pets to herd creatures and control the battle because we have to use real tactics instead of a flamethrower. If all you do is tell the pet to attack then never issue another command, you're the one treating it like a weapon -- a fire and forget missile.
DeneziB wrote:
I find it amusing that the people who call me a "troll" are only doing so because my viewpoints contradict theirs and agree with the Devs. All my initial responses have been rational and well-thought out. The real trolls always come back with simpleton-like nonsense that reveals why they should not allow 13 year olds to play this game.
actually we (or I at least) call you a troll becasue your posts seem to be writen to incite flame wars. All you have done is quote oponion (yours) and treat it as fact.
Then when confronted by facts(of which I have pointed out numerious to you) or told to do some research into what you are saying you ignore those comments and continue your narrow view into a much larger world.
Ch is the porrest treat profession by the devs, unlike ranger or DE we are not ignored, but nerfed with each publish. did we need some balance yes did the pendiulm swing to far yes!
The only way to truly appreciate that fact is to have been a CH back wen we were too UBER.
And given your statements you have not.
/eof
Im a master Rifleman, master CH, always have been (if not master level) and always will be, because I spent the ungodly time to use all of my skill points once, and i have 0 intention to do it all over again for a flavor of the month that will be nerfed next month.
So nowadays I use my rifles all the time, but I havent even pulled a pet in a combat situation in weeks. Its more of a hassle to deal with the pet running away and dragging the mob with it, or just plain dying within moments.
As a player at the endgame master level, I dont need to grind through bolle bols or sharnaffs for xp, so I would like to have my pets tank some of these new nasty 400k ham mobs or be in pvp. To do that with melee mitigation in pvp, or a 400k ham mob, the creatures need to be around 20k ham and 60-75& resists. Thats never going to happen so whats the result from logic? Drop CH now and quit wasting my time with it. Just wish they couldve let us know they were KILLING the profession, not balancing it.
Hmm, ... you don't know how to make more than 20k an hour running missions with a pet. You don't know how to find a pet that can hold aggro. You are really starting to paint yourself as more and more incompetent as a CH with every post.
BTW, let me post all the professions that I play with alts, just so you all do not think you exclusively own the professions boards. My alts are: BE, Commando, TK, Chef, Rifleman, CH.
I find it amusing that the people who call me a "troll" are only doing so because my viewpoints contradict theirs and agree with the Devs. All my initial responses have been rational and well-thought out. The real trolls always come back with simpleton-like nonsense that reveals why they should not allow 13 year olds to play this game.
Pluto9Moon wrote:Denezib,
I like how you troll, it has style and flair. But it also shows how stupid you really are. For instance, given the view that TH stated "a pet should be like grouping with another Player". It would be really stupid for me to take damage. You show yourself how clueless that statement is when Riflemen have no real melee damage modifiers. Why would a rifleman group with someone who let him take damage, pet or otherwise?
Denezib, I truly believe you are Blunderheart come here to justify what ever stupid, idiotic justification you have for your hate towards CH. You have not stated one rational thing that leads me to believe you are even a CH.
Test 1) You hit /tellpet attack. Pet attacks and starts to run. You use /tellpet follow. Pet follows back. You hit /tellpet attack again. Pet does not keep agro. You have no defenses because you are CH/Rifleman. You wake in clone center.
Test 2) You have no pet to rely on so you use Conceal Shot. /mindshot. Hit peace. Run 100m. Wait a few minutes. Go back and do over. No damage because Snipers work solo. They use stealth and tactics.
Next on the agenda. Since you know nothing, I do not want to see you talk to us real CH in any demeaning manner. Go troll somewhere else. Taloncard is one of the finest CH's I know in game. His expertise has been very valuable to me.
Denezib, I am glad your mommy bought this game for you at Xmas. When you grow up and play the class maybe you can come back and talk to the grownups. Go back to the kiddie table please.