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Why should we charge for something that cost's us no resources? Several reasons:

1.) we earned it, it is we who spent the time to aquire the skills. It was our sweat not theirs.

Yes, we did earn it. We also learned it through the Scout trees as well. I worked my way up from those required branches just like everyone else did, and in the time that it takes me to take out 3 bantha lairs now, is 20 min. 100,000 cred based on skills that i did not forget. I still have them and put them to good use. I do not look at CH as JUST CH, it encompases all those skills that we had to use to get up to that Novice Creature Handler block. I make more cred doing harvesting than I ever could training.

2.) If it is a matter of resources then fine I will from now on expect all doctors and artisans to charge me only what it cost them to make their goods. They are no longer allowed to profit from their skills. Let me remind you that if they were not making money hand over fist you would not be getting paid 50cpu for Tatooinian wooly hide. So please don't try and accuse me of greed because I ask for 5k to train someone's pet 14 commands, plus name it.

So doc's are not supposed to make money? We have OTHER skills to fall upon. Not just training of pets. I call it greed, pure, plain and simple. We can harvest for Doc's, armorsmiths, Tailors, ANYBODY that has a need for organic resources. It pays much more than the credits asked of people to train the pets. Mission payouts, we can use them. Group our pets, and a droid, to get missions that pay good cred.

3.) As you said it cost's us time, our time. And we should be paid for our time. We are not dancers who have little choice but to be standing inside a cantina to use our skills. We are stopping what we are doing in order to train. If you do this for free you are nto actually doing it for free. Nothing like this is free, you are doing it as a favor. Doing a person a favor is still charging them, if you are doing it for free then don't accept the gifts they give you. Give back the 50k that guy tipped you, and pay the doc for the buffs she gave you. Otherwise there is no space for you to stand tall about your not profitting from your skills. Those people paid you what they did because they recognise that your skills were useful and as such deserving of payment. I never insulted anyone for not charging prices, so please don't insult us because we may want to.

IF someone wants to, that is their decision, but to start a thread as this is uncalled for. Yes, I look at it as greed. If someone out there wants to charge x amounts of cred, whatever, let them. As far as my 'time' goes, I do not view the 5 minutes it takes to train a pet as all that time consuming. I have learned to slow down and enjoy the game. 5 minutes is not a long time spend with another player. As far as giving them back what they give me, if they want to give me something, it was their decision to make. That would be akin to tipping the dancer who healed the BF from you and them giving it back. Did I ever need the tip? No, but it was always a nice gesture to make on their part. But, I would rather have their friendship than some credits. As far 'insulting anyone', never accused anyone of that. IF services are rendered and a price is agreed upon, and both parties are satisfied, then so be it. But I am calling it greed. Is it an insult? a person can take it however they want. I KNOW we are NOT a poor prof. From grouping our pets to get missions that pay well, to harvesting, we are far from poor. We are the ONLY prof that can 'solo-group.' But, to sit there and charge someone for less than five minutes of time that costs NO resources is greed. While the same person can collect resources in the next 30 minutes and have hundreds and thousands of credits to their name.

What do we as CH's need credits for? Sigh, this question perfectly illustrates the problem at hand. Since when was it decided that CH's are supposed to be vagabond peasant nomads begging for table scraps? We need money for the same reason everyone else does. And we are discussing charging alot less than other professions. The simple fact is that this universe has an economy. And in order to exist in this universe you have to be a part of that economy, otherwise you are a drain on it. While you feel comfortable harvesting hides for your money others do not. If I wanted to harvest hides for a living I would be a master scout or a ranger. I am a Creature Handler. I chose that to handle creatures not to skin creatures for profit.

Vagabonds? Far from it. Begging for table scraps, doubt it. In the time I have been a CH, I have made probably about 8 mil credits. Most of that for less than two hours a day, or even less than that. I use my pets with me in combat. How much profit is there in actually training pets? think about it. How many people actually have them? Level 10 and below really cannot do much, there is not a HUGE market for pet training out there. Yes, we will get the requests, but to base a persons income around is somewhat harsh as the unsteady nature of it. I view myself as a Creature Handler, and as a Ranger. There will always be a timewhenwild animals interact with society. It is those times when they must be removed. This is a game, as such, NO actual chubas are killed. There is always grouping with pets to get good missions. How else is one to attain MCH without harvesting? That is the ONLY way to make it to Novice. Combat is the ONLY viable way to attain CH, yes a person can sit there and train pets for 100 xp a pop, but you still have to find the babies. How do you do that? you go to lairs and get the babies from lairs. How do you get them out? Killing the adults. So have to use your scout abilites to harvest them to make novice, then you have to use your pets in combat to get experience and move up the tiers to attain MCH. So, if you don't want to hurt animals. Make a new character, without hurting any animals along the way to MCH. You CANNOT do it.

People do what is in their desires to do. If a person wants to make their money by harvesting creatures no one can fault them for it. What seems to be forgotten by people alot is that the person who harvests hides also has no right to tell someone that making money by charging for a different service that they are wrong for doing it. If I and those who wish to join me want to organize a training base cost then it is our right. And to tell us we have no right to do it is a foolish insult that is an attempt to make another person believe what you believe. I am just tellign people what I think and rallying those who feel alike to join me in trying to change the way things are done. It is encouraged in this game to do exactly that. So please let's keep that in mind before you assume we do this out of greed. Greed is if we decide to refuse our services to anyone who wont pay us 1 million per tame and train. We only want equal treatment.

You have every right to do what you wish. If you feel that me saying 'greed' was a such a huge insult, I apologize. I really do. I just do not know what else to call it though. We, as CH's have two viable options for attaining credits: harvesting, and mission payouts. By reading that initial post, it read as though we had to depend only on charging for training other peoples pets.That is NOT the case. That is far from the case. That we were looked down upon and other negative lights. I am VERY proud to be where I am. It took me a while to attain MCH. We do have the skills to harvest, I know I am NOT the only CH that does this. Why would a Ranger or Master Scout be any better than I at harvesting? Actually, I am a Master Scout, and 0/0/3/0 Ranger anyway. That is my character build. Not built as a harvester, per se, but as an outdoorsman, or Ranger. As a CH, I can call out a Rancor to help me should the need arise. We have abilites no other class has and I use it to my advantage.

If someone chooses to not harvest organics, or take mission payouts at terminals (bull rancs 18.4k cred each) then that is their decision, but it is an easy source of income. It is a source of income where we are in our element and can use everything we have to our advantage. I am hunting for a Bull Ranc baby. Dath carnivore meat was going for 30 cpu. Rancs drop carnivore meat, should I not use that for profit as well?

You are right, I am somewhat wealthy, and have a lot of credits. But am I a 'drain'? Not when I get crafting stations for my guild that runs a tab of 400,000. I contribute to my guild and friends in as many ways as I can. I use credits, my harvesting abilities and my combat skills. A CH is not just a Creature Handler, we are a sum of all we are. Everything that makes us, everything that took us to where that person is. We should not abandon our scout roots. Just because the end result is a desired goal of Creature Handler, those skills cannot be surrendered. If a person is a MCH/MBE, they should use those BE skills as well. IF a person is a MCH/TKM, that TKM is as much a part of them as the MCH is.

If I and those who wish to join me want to organize a training base cost then it is our right. - And it is my right to voice my opinon as well, it is a two way street here. I do not feel it is necessary, otherwise what kind of impression will others have us? Charging for a few minutes of time?

Greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.

When we have options that we do for obtaining credits, to charge for a few minutes of time does not feel right to me. Yes, you have a very valid point about us being the ONLY class that can train pets. Is it valuable? For a high lvl pet, yes. For a lvl 10 and below pet, questionable. Train a pet as a mount, how valuable is that? The fastest mount is slower than the slowest speeder.

IF you want to charge for training, then you can. But I do NOT want to be put in that same category.