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Here is a perfect example of why the ch community if only a shadow of what it once was.

What happenned to the place where opinions even if different were met with respect. Now we have insult and accusations as seen above.

-I did not insult or slander. Yes, I view it as greed. Is it an insult? Not really, look at some of the richest people in the world today. Are they greedy? yes. All I did was point out, again there are other methods to obtaining credits, and charging is not necessary.


Charging for something that takes a few minutes of your time. You must have steriods in your backpack last time I checked it takes quite a while to find tame then train any pet. As for mounts they take days to mature and my datapad is a commodity that no other profession has to worry about.

-ah, finding a pet and storing it is different than someone already having one for you to train. For finding, yes I charge. But, if they have something on the spot, what is the harm in it? if it needs to grow, they can hold onto it and see me later. If a person has a full datapad, then so be it. Just let them know.

The fact you call us greedy means you have no idea what the people you speak of are like. I have given millions of credits away and I take insult at your comments.


-I too have given millions away, along with low level pets and other things.

This gentleman is trying to unite us in a sense. and he is right..

-unite? how? by calling me a 'fat greasy bald man?' that no one really respects? that is a great way to earn my respect.

Why should a ch template have to have a combat support profession. maybe a ch/dancer and that person would like the ch half to be the bread earner. Your analogy means we are all meat farmers by choice lol sorry but its not true. I sell whatever I harvest for penny's on the bazaa since mostly new people look there and it helps them.

-You really cannot have that ch/dancer due to the prereques. but let us say they did drop the combat after wards. There are NOT enough low lvl pets out there to depend on it. Yes, there are times people come up to me and ask me for the services, but I look at what they have, and it is pathetic and wonder why they bought it. It makes more sense to have a steady income than hoping someone will ask for some training of pets.


Why should we train a million credit be pet for free?? especially one that is in question about its even bieng created.

- I have not seen a million credit BE pet. If a non-ch is going to get a pet, is generally will not be good for most purposes or that expensive. If a CH gets one, they can train it for themselves.

Smugglers charge for slicing and please the resources for slicing knives is not that much. but taken in bulk add up. our time when taken in bulk add up.
I paid 70k for a full suit of comp sliced on tempest. now tell me that it cost 50k in resources lmao "please"

-never ever said anything like that. again, that armorsmith/weaponsmith/doc still needs to support themselves. There are still people who do not have JTL, if it is one of those people then they need to make extra.

I was being excessive up above except for the be non ch pets that I meant. there is nothing wrong with setting a price for ch services as other professions do. Like image designers. most professions have a price guide and people follow it or do not. that is your choice. But do not come here calling us greedy when our services have been free for well over a year and a half.

-again, that is fine. let people set up a price scheme. That is their OPINION. I voiced mine, and i am wrong? I said it was 'greed' because I know we have other means around that. I have heard people say in game 'CH's are poor.' I know I am not poor. I know I have other options out there. There are other people out there that value my toon for what he is. Knowing that we have other options out there, charging people for something that requires nothing on our part but a slot in our datapad and a few minutes does not sound right to me. 95% of the pets I have trained, the people have compensated me for more than enough. Those that did not, could not afford it, or it did not matter, or later on, they got me back in another form.
-yes, I agree very much on someone wanting something that they do not have and charging for that. They do not understand that if it is a wild creature, I have to find it first and hope the lair spawns a baby, if not, back to the drawning board. Even if it does, things can go wrong and something bad might happen, so yes, for this situation, you better believe I am going to charge.

Hey, if someone wants to charge 5k per command, let them. Not I, nor anyone else is going to stop them. If that is all they want to do, then so be it. If that is how they want to earn credits, then, again, I apologize, very sincerly as that is the path they want to choose. Is it the best? no. far from it.

That comment, about the 'fat bald greasy' man being a CH and representing us is one thing that i did not like seeing. CH is something I wanted to be from the first time I saw a Wrix sitting in a cantina as a starting character. That feeling about us being a second rate prof is wrong.

Velm I made sure to make it known I respected your right ot have an opinion and to voice it. You did quite the opposite. You actually said I had no right to make this post. It is a big difference my friend.

-actually, no, it appeared as though you NEVER respected my opinion. While I could point out several ways around it. It was slammed back in my face, that one word "GREED". Even though I pretty much said it was because we have other more profitable ways of going about earning credits and we are not wasting anything for them. I believe what I said was NOT a personal attack per se. Just that there are other ways of going about earning credits. Even if it was taken personally, ok. It was just a single word, that is very easily shrugged off as 'ok, you are right. I might be greedy, just giving alot of the crafters what they give.' Actually, a response like that makes me go, 'you got a point.' I see it one way, and you see it as another.


Don't urinate down my back then expect me to say thank you for the shower.

I tried to be very respectful in most of my posts. That one about 'small mind' went a bit far. I see what post says, and I understand the underlaying meaning of it. But the light of the (yes, i will say it again) 'fat bald guy' really upsets me. I LOVE this prof. Even with all of its downsides and negatives. I love it. This is the ONLY prof I want to be, NO jedi, NOTHING else, BUT CH.

The first post read to me, like we are less than we are. I know that is not true. I do not care what the others think. I KNOW the only thing that keeps them alive are buffs and comp armor. Take out the buffs and what do they have?

I do not expect a 'thank you for a shower.' But, I will defend the fact that I as a lowly MCH, can walk around unbuffed on planets where others do NOT and earn credits. I have a place in this galaxy. There are even some that call me a 'power character' for choosing this prof because I can bring out some of the deadliest creatures in this game.

Message Edited by velm on 03-06-2005 01:13 AM

Message Edited by jopenack on 03-05-2005 05:46 PM

What you choose to do with your time or with your skills is for you and you alone. Your tone that aggrivated me was the sanctimonious way you said that we have no right to charge because you choose not to. Also when you tell us we do it because of greed then flaunt that you sell hides for 50cpu to greedy armorsmiths you negate your own arguments.

I never insulted you, I only said things that you did not like. If you have problems with my verse then discuss that, but do not use it as a reasoning to try and bash the idea. By doing that you are showing that you only disagree with me as a person and not with my idea. I never compared you or our profession to the fat guy, I pointed out that one day it may be where we end up.

(actually you did -You are of a small mind Velm and I would hope you can take your hatred elsewhere. We have no need of it here. You voiced your opinion, as small and self important as it was, and you have no further need to discuss it here so anything more you say on this matter I will have to assume it is a flame and ignore it.

I never meant to flaunt anything. Quite a few CH's that I know harvest. If I were the ONLY one, then fine. But I am not. The current rate for tat wooly on my server is between 90-95 cpu. It has nothing to do with greed. It is the ecomony of the server. I read the trade forums, do I necessarily take them all on their offers? no. I happen to go thru another person who will let me know what he would like and he sets a price, if i get it, I get it. It happens to be an incredibly profitable way to obtain credits AND have fun. I bring out my pets and get credits, or if there is a rare creature, why not get credits while going after it?

Again, it IS a TWO way street with the tone. I viewed the vast majority of your posts as 'this is how it must be done. we must charge for training because everyone else charges for things. we are looked down up, so we must do this. we are viewed as fat bald greasy men.' that is how I viewed them. Then with the 'small mind' comment.

I NEVER said it was wrong, or you could not charge. My main point was that there are other ways to obtaining credits. I expressed 2 different ways of doing this. My tone was civil throughout.)


So please, if you wish to discuss points in the idea then let us do so. Beyond that this is pointless banter.

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velm wrote:
This gentleman is trying to unite us in a sense. and he is right..

-unite? how? by calling me a 'fat greasy bald man?' that no one really respects? that is a great way to earn my respect.

Why should a ch template have to have a combat support profession. maybe a ch/dancer and that person would like the ch half to be the bread earner. Your analogy means we are all meat farmers by choice lol sorry but its not true. I sell whatever I harvest for penny's on the bazaa since mostly new people look there and it helps them.

-You really cannot have that ch/dancer due to the prereques. but let us say they did drop the combat after wards. There are NOT enough low lvl pets out there to depend on it. Yes, there are times people come up to me and ask me for the services, but I look at what they have, and it is pathetic and wonder why they bought it. It makes more sense to have a steady income than hoping someone will ask for some training of pets.


Why should we train a million credit be pet for free?? especially one that is in question about its even bieng created.

- I have not seen a million credit BE pet. If a non-ch is going to get a pet, is generally will not be good for most purposes or that expensive. If a CH gets one, they can train it for themselves.

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Hopefully I broke off in this quote what I needed

I am a master creature handler and master dancer AND novice rifleman on Bria, so it can be done. I have very limited combat skills, which doesn't hurt me tooooo much, but I had to spend a lot of credits to get some very very strong BE pets. This was hard considering unless you are a buff bot or femme bot (female dancer ) you generally make crap for tips. So, yes, I did earn credits by doing the old harvesting creatures, but again, with limited combat skills that was difficult and time consuming most of the time.

I can totally understand why people here are saying our hard earned skills should be a viable way to earn extra income. I don't know if I am just unlucky, but the times I have had people ask me to train their pets, I seem to get the idiots that rip out 3 or 4 and ask me to train, name and everything. I had one guy keep me for almost an hour taming and naming his pets. He kept changing his mind on the names. Guess what, he didn't even pay me. An hour of my time is valueable to me. And, this scenario is very common, hence I most of the time won't even wear a title at all anymore.

If I wear my Master Dancer title, people ASSume I am a buff bot. If I wear my Master CH title, then I am getting begged by people to give them pets or train or go tame mounts, which have to sit with me for a few days.


Granted, if you are a master ch with a master of any combat prof, you can generally make credits a lot faster than my Bria'n template

I have had people say that to me about pets. I tell them flat out, 'it is too young to train as a mount. get back to me when it is fully grown.' then a few days later, i will get a tell, and they will say it is grown up and they ask where i am. I am usually nice to people, but if it takes a while, i will flat out tell them 'sorry gotta go.'

I do not wear my MCH tag anymore because of getting tells like tht anymore. I have had tells on Dath, Dant, Endor for stuff, tells even before my screen loaded. Yes, it is annoying. I know it will not end.

Yes, I think people look at dancers/ents as pure mind buff bots, master docs as body buffers, and MCH's as pet trainers. people need to know toons are more than just a title. sometimes, though you can meet some good people like that, though. That is how I met my tailor friend. I saw a 'master tailor' title and sent her a tell. since then, we have been good friends.

If charging for training is what one wants to do, then so be it. it is up to them. If someone wants to make it a viable source of income, then so be it. I would suggest harvesting, but that is me. I get to go out with my pets and have fun, explore and get some credits.

Message Edited by velm on 03-06-2005 04:12 AM

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Meuw wrote:

Well now that the wrong foot has been chewed off and left behind let me clear up a few things I may have led people to think about me......

I am not actually poor, in fact I make a bundle with CH. I am actually quite content with my abilities to use my profession to support myself. My ideas for this do not come out of desire to fill my pockets. I mastered swordsman halfway through CH because I had to in order to survive. I also tried taking up BE but there just were not enough points to make the things I would need to make money. So once I realized that CH was not a combat professsion and not a merchant profession I started having these ideas.

New players need to at least have the option of using their CH skills to make money. We spend so very much time building the skills we do not have spare time to find other ways to make money. And on our server money is not the same as others. You cannot thrive on Bria with pocket change. I have about 8 million in the bank right now and by Bria standards I am lower-middle class. (if even that high) And Jo is right, I would never have gotten here without monetary help.

I also should clarify that I already have a way to use my skills to make some pretty serious cash. This method though is part of why I am upset, because alot of times people don't respect what I go through to bring them this service. Now listen to what i do and I assure you that you will no longer worry about my being greedy. I train Non-CH mounts and pets. I use up all but 5 of my datapad spaces (4 for my attack pets, 1 empty for training) to grow and train Non-CH pets. Now I know all of you CH's can look at that and shake your heads at the thought. Immagine working your way all the way up to where you can carry more pets than you ever will need then purposely demoting yourself back to a Novice's datapad.(of course a novice never had a Graul Mauler and TMB in theirs lol) So I am doing people quite a favor just so when they need a mount they can just pick form whatever I have ready and ride it off. I got so tired of people walking away because I didn't have a grown mounts for them(HOW RUDE!) and even then they wanted me to either give it to them or sell it for 6-8k.

Now let me tell you what my qualities are and their prices.

I sell all types of mounts

low quality mount only pets (900HAM or lower) 10k grown and mounted

Medium quality pets (1k-3k, wild or BE) 20-35k grown and mounted

High quality pets (4k-6k BE specials) 80-100k grown and mounted

Uber* pets (8k or higher helaths) 250-800k grown and mounted (price depends on cost to purchase)

on top of all of the growing and training I also have to spend alot of time flying from BE to BE lookoing for new non-ch pets. And for this service I have had people scoff at my prices. Again this is due to the fact that they have either no knowledge of what we go through to do these things or just no respect for it. That is why the tone was a bit dark in that area.

So basically I just wanted you to know I am not just shooting from ther hip here or griping about being poor. I am looking to at the very least get some really cool events together. And I don't see how any of us could feel threatened by that. Price setting is just one of the things I suggested, and by far it is the least interesting. So why don't we talk about the other things. Like CH parades lol, everyone seems to love that idea. Get 20-30 CH's together and just march through the major cities with all our Faamabas and Malkloks out.

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That is most certainly, an interesting way of going about it.

The difficult thing about trying to set up prices for anything, not just this, is that prices vary by server. So, while on one server, it might be considered 'a bargain' on another server, it might be considered 'outragously high', while on yet another server, it might be considered 'a steal.' that is one of the biggest problems with all these servers is setting a price. That and there are other factors thrown into it as well, like, let us say, the 'attack' command is going for 5k. A person who has been playing for two weeks comes up to a MCH and asks to have his pet trained, and all they have is 10k. This person is walking around with a bone armor chestplate (for lack of better word) and a CDEF pistol. They have a Minor Sludge Panther, natural, that someone gave to them. In the few minutes of talking to them, they seem like a nice person. What does one do? I had a junior CH want me to give them a pet, I had it reserved for someone, 4k. It was a swamp Gurreck. Someone I knew, but not seen online for about a week. I told them I would sell it to them for 4k. He replied it would take him 30 minutes to get me the money. He was going to do missions for it. I don't want to do that to a person. so I gave him cat, and told him to get back to me later on. Talking to him, was an eye opener. I must have spent about an hour giving him tips on how to go about being a CH. I then gave him money for a buff and we went off world for a bit.

Perhaps, as a server by server standard, but I cannot see an across the board standard as the economies are radically different. It would take some market research to see what the median prices 'should' be for the server in question. And a few adjustments here and there to even it out.