Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Creature Handler Call To Arms!
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Jolandir
Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:31 am
#40
I think organizing is a great idea, but if you want back into PvP or even moderately high end PvE to very high end PvE, then a lot more then this will need to be done. I can (or should I say use to) bring my pets out. It is really funny to see an AT-ST up next to my kimo, and it does draw a crowd, but no one takes it seriously for fighting because they know that various groups have so cried that they are afraid of us having animals that make sense in the SW unirverse and could easily tip the scales of a battle even against such so called pets as AT-STs that they have nerfed us to death. Only noobs are not aware of the huge disadvantage we have in PvP or high end PvE. And now with the silly new aggressive addition added so you are no longer a Creature Handler but a Creature Chaser/revitalizer that even bringing them out to show is dangerous thing to do. If the opposing forces faction NPCs happen to be near you they will immediately aggro and be uncontrolable, so I wouldn't advise bringing them out in public until they change this aggresiveness problem that has just about destoryed any viability we had still remaining. If it isn't a non-aggressive BE pet or wild creature it is most likely totally uncontrolable. This was obviously never tested. So if you want to parade your aggresive creatures you had better demand a change in the aggressive addition.
Jolandir
Anzati_Sentinel
Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:56 pm
#41
Not to be a party pooper, but about a week ago people were yelling in cnet and I quote
/clear throat
ARE THERE ANY CH'S WHO WISH TO GO TO THE CORVETTE? WE NEED YOU! WILL PAY 20K IF YOU COME! MAKE SURE YOU CAN USE AT LEAST LVL 24.
as you can see, this was pretty sweet. I couldn't go cuz I am 1211, but still. I full heartingly agree with you.
As I once yelled at Tiggs or TH (can't remember which)
Sure... The rangers complain and you pamper them. CH's complain and you nerf us all to hell and back.
I don't know who 5* me, but thank you
I wish they pump up the CH level we could use. or so that in PvP, whether someone is buffed or not they should take the same damage as if they were not buffed. Maybe the pets damage their secondaries or something like that. That would be good.
Meuw
Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:29 pm
#42
Let me weave a little tale of a recent event.....
For those that do not know me I am about the only CH on Bria, or maybe anywhere, that devotes almost all his time and all but a few critical slots of his datapad to growing/training/selling Non-CH pets. It is my stock and trade. I will spend easily 1.2-1.5 million credits every month or so to restock my pet supply. Then I will still need to use my other skills in the off-times I am growing a new wave to make extra money to stay afloat. So before talking about prices I charge and the problems I have with some peoples attitude towards my charging them everyone should understand what level of work and most of all patience I put into my trade.
So there I was standing in Theed with my little one man bazaar set up. (NOTE: to aspiring creature dealers, three things are virtually essential to creating a "sellers" environment; 1. Pack Master, you must be able to mount train, mounts make up 98% of all sales to non-ch's, 2. Patrol commands, set up your pets to walk around you while you bark out your sales pitch, 3. repeat the term non-ch as often as possible. Nothing makes them stop faster than seeing that phrase "Non-CH pets for sale") I am doign really good business today, I normally float around the 3 major cities until I fiind a spot that works(Mos Eisley, Coronet, Theed). I have sold most my pets this day. I have even sold two of my "uber" lvl10 cats. These are by far the hardest to sell due to the fact that anyone can grow an attack pet withotu needing to come back later to train it something and because their pricetag is so high. I sold the pair for 700k and a clear crystal. (BTW the cost of two cats of this caliber on Bria? 250-500k depending on the BE. this is a 10/5/3HAM pet with 59% kinetic)
I was down to my last 3 grown pets when another customer comes up. Now I treat every customer the same as the next. I do not assume their poverty or wealth nor do I price by anything other than my standards, which are devised by simple cost+labor calculations. The reason I point this out will come up later in this short little story that I have already made way too long. Well the conversation I had with this person went much like all of my conversations. I am very straightforward and businesslike when dealing with my pets. I take the job very seriously and I hope it shows in my quality. I do not try and sell 600HAM pets for the same prices as my 6k/4k/1.5kHAM pets. I grow some very high quality mounts that can be used as attack pets if the need arises. These are companions not just something you ride around on once in awhile. And so this person asked for a list of my present stock and I offer it. They are seeking a dewback but I am out of them. (NOTE: for some reason dewbacks and banthas sell like hotcakes, make sure to stock up on em if you want to try selling mounts) They ask me to inform them via email or tell when I have a dewback ready. As per my usual method I ask them to send me an email with the order. I think nothing more of it and move onto the next customer. (I normally have 3 tells going at once after only 5 minutes of setting up my little stand.) About 2 minutes later the person returns and says never mind they will buy one of the one'sI have. This was kaadu, not one of my better breeds of pets. It was a BE's slight missfire. A double sampling mistake but still a decent pet. If I recall correctly it's stats were 4k/1.8k/3k HAM. These pets I sell at slight discounts since their stats are uneven and could pose a problem in higher level combat. So this pet at a mid-level I quoted the price of 80k.
Now let's go back over some of the basics.....these pets cost me on average 25k-65k depending on their stats, this pet in question was part of a package deal which I bought a large bundle of pets from a retiring BE for 700k. But standard pricing for me is 10k for any "mount only" pet normally with stats under 1k. Anything above that elevates the price up to a max of 100k for pets of 6k health. Those pets that are upwards of 9-10K health can go upwards of 500k(which I remind you is what it sometimes costs just for me to buy them)
Now this person when I quoted them that price, even though I make it clear it is open to negotiation, says to me "wow! 80k for a pet I don't think I have ever heard someone ask that much before." This response in and of itself is not much to worry about. I immagine most people haven't heard those prices before, but that is due to the idea that people have about a CH not being able to charge money for their skills. I was nice though and reminded the person that this was not just some 6k of the bazaar pet with 400 HAM. And that the price is not about what the pet costs but what it costs for a pet that is fully grown and trained already. A service that you cannot find on every corner. After some informing the person what haggling meant we came to a price of 40 or 50k which is what I normally like to get for the pets of this medium caliber. And the deal was done.
Not until after the deal was done and I really looked at the person in question did I realise just how ,dare I say , rude it was that they acted like they did. This person was standing in front of me in finely tailored clothes made to match their R.I.S. helmet. Then it struck me what a perfect example of how people treat us like losers sometimes. Here is some jerk who paid out 1-2 million credits for a helmet. A helmet that is pure decoration and never used in combat. And this person is giving me flak because I charge 50-80k for a FUNCTIONAL weapon that doubles as transportation, that will never be broken or killed.
My goodness I can be long-winded.
dbl90
Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:57 am
#43
This has been a very well written thread, and I'd like to voice my opinion, at the risk of looking like a total fool.
I am, as you described earlier "A poor vagabond CH". If I can I skimp on armor, I get second rate cheap buffs, and all my cash goes to pet stims/brandy/swoops/ rangers
I would like to charge for mounting, I just doubt it is really realistic. Not many CHs on my server read the forums (I believe) and many will not charge at all whatsoever. This makes it nearly impossible to get any work. My solution: Ch pets.
I currently employ myself as a pet tamer. I commision a ranger to go with me, and I go out taming people pets for cash, the way it works is I get a certain payment for the pet, and then further cash on a day by day basis. Don't want to look for that GSP...well I do....
I actually quite enjoy taming, and am one of the few people I know that has an almost all natural datapad.
I fear that mass action that it would take for charging to seem plausible, but not greedy or rude is unlikely to happen. Yet, I'm getting a mil or two for my swamp stalker that I freshly caught.
Also remember solo groups have been nerfed, and CHs unlike others can pull 30k missions themselves. People pay me just to join their group, pull missions, and follow them around as they do all of them. (I get the creds too, nice afk job)
Sometimes there isn't a good recource spawn, isn't the best source of revenue. And fishing, or milking for hours a day to get any cash ins't a good means of making money.
So far the most lucrative exploit I have heard of was a series of CHs set up a pet dance recital and they got tipped a nice bit.
Hopefully after the CU we'll have some more use....
And if your on chilastra, I'll catch that pet for you, drop me a line.
I am, as you described earlier "A poor vagabond CH". If I can I skimp on armor, I get second rate cheap buffs, and all my cash goes to pet stims/brandy/swoops/ rangers
I would like to charge for mounting, I just doubt it is really realistic. Not many CHs on my server read the forums (I believe) and many will not charge at all whatsoever. This makes it nearly impossible to get any work. My solution: Ch pets.
I currently employ myself as a pet tamer. I commision a ranger to go with me, and I go out taming people pets for cash, the way it works is I get a certain payment for the pet, and then further cash on a day by day basis. Don't want to look for that GSP...well I do....
I actually quite enjoy taming, and am one of the few people I know that has an almost all natural datapad.
I fear that mass action that it would take for charging to seem plausible, but not greedy or rude is unlikely to happen. Yet, I'm getting a mil or two for my swamp stalker that I freshly caught.
Also remember solo groups have been nerfed, and CHs unlike others can pull 30k missions themselves. People pay me just to join their group, pull missions, and follow them around as they do all of them. (I get the creds too, nice afk job)
Sometimes there isn't a good recource spawn, isn't the best source of revenue. And fishing, or milking for hours a day to get any cash ins't a good means of making money.
So far the most lucrative exploit I have heard of was a series of CHs set up a pet dance recital and they got tipped a nice bit.
Hopefully after the CU we'll have some more use....
And if your on chilastra, I'll catch that pet for you, drop me a line.
hossp
Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:22 am
#44
i wish i could get money for tames on my server, lol..one time several months ago i wanted to get rid of one of my screechers, tried the trade forum..nada...currently i have 2 gps's and 2 wilddune boars...i could gar-ron-tee the interenst is somewhere around 0, so i will probably end up deleting one as i am carrying 22 pets...and why do you need a ranger to find gsp's? i have all the rares, and have never used a ranger ...i have a good friend that is a ranger, and she had tried a couple times for me while hunting rares, but never fond anything...i've always found rares much better on my own..
dbl90 wrote:
This has been a very well written thread, and I'd like to voice my opinion, at the risk of looking like a total fool.
I am, as you described earlier "A poor vagabond CH". If I can I skimp on armor, I get second rate cheap buffs, and all my cash goes to pet stims/brandy/swoops/ rangers
I would like to charge for mounting, I just doubt it is really realistic. Not many CHs on my server read the forums (I believe) and many will not charge at all whatsoever. This makes it nearly impossible to get any work. My solution: Ch pets.
I currently employ myself as a pet tamer. I commision a ranger to go with me, and I go out taming people pets for cash, the way it works is I get a certain payment for the pet, and then further cash on a day by day basis. Don't want to look for that GSP...well I do....
I actually quite enjoy taming, and am one of the few people I know that has an almost all natural datapad.
I fear that mass action that it would take for charging to seem plausible, but not greedy or rude is unlikely to happen. Yet, I'm getting a mil or two for my swamp stalker that I freshly caught.
Also remember solo groups have been nerfed, and CHs unlike others can pull 30k missions themselves. People pay me just to join their group, pull missions, and follow them around as they do all of them. (I get the creds too, nice afk job)
Sometimes there isn't a good recource spawn, isn't the best source of revenue. And fishing, or milking for hours a day to get any cash ins't a good means of making money.
So far the most lucrative exploit I have heard of was a series of CHs set up a pet dance recital and they got tipped a nice bit.
Hopefully after the CU we'll have some more use....
And if your on chilastra, I'll catch that pet for you, drop me a line.
Romborgat
Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:14 am
#45
Meuw wrote:
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In the end we will again be seen by the masses. People will start to notice the tags we wear instead of asking puzzlingly “what is a pack master?” We will stand out form the crowd and we will be noticed. Then we will again be able to become part of this game again. Unless of course they nerf us again lol.
Unfortunately, they have really nerf'd us this time. Pets now run off and attack creatures on their own, and you can not recall them once they start by telling them to heel. I got incapped last night on Dant because my pet took off after a Voritor and the thing also attacked me. Mask scent didn't help once the pet had it under attack. Only reason I wasn't killed is because a nearby TKM took out the Voritor.
What good is having pets when we can not control them and count on them? I have seen this complaint in the forums since the last major publish and it is not even acknowledged by the devs. If it isn't fixed, I will not have much choice but to give up CH and put the points in a useful combat profession... and that stinks.
O'bacca
Sunrunner MBE/MCH
Meuw
Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:32 pm
#46
This is the reasoning behind this idea. We as CH's have no true voice in the universe. When they make changes like this we are the one's who pay for it, because we are one of the "lesser" professions. By organizing and pooling our skills we create a more viable base of complaint. If we can show we have mass support amongst our profession to end such changes that infringe on our ability to play then we will have a chance to be heard.
They will not bother with 20-30 CH's who don't like their pets being aggressive when 200-300 say it is fun to watch animals in the wild attack each other. What we need is a combined voice that has pull in the real galaxy. If we have enough people willing to say we will no longer offer our services to other players until our needs are addressed then they will have no choice but to listen. People will be up in arms when they buy a lvl10 gurreck for 300k and can't find a CH willing to train it.
Now I would hope it would never come to something so extreme but it is good to plan for the worst so that if it ever comes you are prepared. Personally I think our working together is essential to make our profession great again. The CU promises to help but it also promises to not be out anytime soon. Either way I just want to build some cohession amongst our brethren. We already are the most friendly profession to each other, so we have a good chance.
dbl90
Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:54 am
#47
I've yet to tame a GPS, that's my next obsession. 5 days and not even an adult spawn, the GPS will drive me crazy...
( as an aside)I often try hunting myself, for a period of a few days, but commi sion a ranger saves time in finding lairs, and is particularly useful for say swamp stalkers, which only spawn within small clusters. Once a spawn is found it doens't move too much.
The truth is I don't much mind bieng a poor vagabond CH. This is my lifestyle and I woudn't have it any other way. If I need cash with TKA I can always grind it pretty quickly.
Things could be better but I'm content.
( as an aside)I often try hunting myself, for a period of a few days, but commi sion a ranger saves time in finding lairs, and is particularly useful for say swamp stalkers, which only spawn within small clusters. Once a spawn is found it doens't move too much.
The truth is I don't much mind bieng a poor vagabond CH. This is my lifestyle and I woudn't have it any other way. If I need cash with TKA I can always grind it pretty quickly.
Things could be better but I'm content.
Message Edited by dbl90 on 03-21-2005 01:13 AM
Meuw
Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:39 pm
#48
Yeah a big get together to show unity and increase our visability, man I wish I would have thought of that........cough cough
dbl90
Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:14 am
#49
The last paragraph of my last post was complete idiocy...but I fear trying to collect words is like trying to collect feathers from a torn pillow in the wind.
Once again I play the fool.
Edited version is now alright though
Once again I play the fool.
Edited version is now alright though
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