Creature Handler Archive

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jopenack wrote:

why cant anyone at swg/soe admit when they are wrong
they caused the solo-group when they nerfed all creatures last year, to appease some people because ch were considered overpowered. when a simple skill tree mod was all that was needed.

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/agree

Ciubeka (Chimaera)

Message Edited by C-Roar on 11-10-2004 08:01 PM

Sio,

Tray infers it is the dreaded AT-ST more than the CH pets. The problem I see is that it is easier for me to SOLO by myself than have others join. The incap filter that causes incapped pets to autostore when I am simultaneously incapped makes it difficult to groups due to the fact calling and grouping a new pet means I must laways find the solo group leader.

If the problem is not CH and it is the AT-ST there is a FactionPet variable in the game already and like looks like

if pet=FactionedPet
Then cannot attack PvE

As I sed earlier if this is true then group difficulty levels can be figured using the same codes.

Is groupmember0=FP
If no then what is their level
Else yes then level is 0

I am no coder by any means and I can look up better if/then/else statements to make sure I write it properly but they alreayd have a factioned pet code. Try shooting bull rancors with an AT ST. You cannot. Use this cose to fix group level averages. Use the division method. But do not include CH pets as a part of that.

As stated before Player difficulty levels should be a result of how high a level you are and not what you have equipped. There is no need for grouped pets once this happens, not a BH to have his best out or a commando. It ends the argument if the AI of the mission terminal recognizes an MCH as level 25 rather than having to group 2-3 pets to get the same recognition.

If I group 3 pets and only get 6K of a 24K mission, then Wabit is entirely correct that my time is better spent just taking the 7K missions and never grouping my pet. How do you convince me to group at this point if my cut is never more than 7K and people do not want CH? It still won't stop the Commandos from getting 22K missions solo until the combat revamp is done.

But, if the max level mission a BH can get will net 8k credits (arbitray numbers, I haven't run many missions lately that weren't JtL related) and the max level mission a CH can get with a level 70 pet will net 16k credits, and then half goes to the pet, then isn't that balanced?

However, I do not know is that is the case but if it isn't then you might see a change in mission payouts shortly. The problem is that a lot of the advanced and elite planets have minimum Difficulty levels and there are a couple that are so high that grouping with a level 70 pet doesn't change a thing.

*shakes head* I don't know what to think anymore to tell you the truth? Do I think something like this should wait for the CU? You betcha. But I'm not calling the shots and on some levels I can see where this is going. That may be why I'm not overly worried about it in the first place. I don't think we should suffer for the change by any means and all efforts should be made to see that we don't get the shaft once again but there are two sides of the coin here and I have the unfortunate position of being forced to look at both.

This nerf to the one little way i had to getting any credits at this game is beyond retarded!!!! I've never had over 200k in my bank at one time. Somedays it takes one mission just to pay for the repair of my swoop bike and the rest goes into the bank so i can /tip service people in the med cntr or cantina. It takes me forever to get money to upgrade my gear or buy crates of stims for when i go pet hunting in the backwoods. I dont have the points to do any crafting profession to even begin to make any credits. the CH profession has to market ability like a BH does with spice/sliceing. I only have novice medic so when my stims run out i can make some gimpy stim A's to limp by. Why did SOE even put the CH class into they game if at every turn they keep bludgeoning it with the vibro-nerf bat???? I want to play this game to have fun not have to struggle to even survive. At this rate im gonna need to take 2+ missions just go get cab fair to visit my house to come up short on the mainnence fee... so if this goes live i'll just have to give SOE the ,,l,,

Message Edited by jopenack on 11-10-2004 05:07 PM

Tray,

Since TH is reporting a lesser payout is most definitely a BUG. I do not see much since in continuing. This as a whole.

A commando friend of mine can max out Dantooine. I cannot without pets grouped. It is still weapons armed that makes the difference.

See this is the most evident problem of not seeing the combat revamp documents. You are still sitting there smugly saying, "I know something you don't know". You have came acrossed as scuh since Austin.

We were told there would be no changes radically made to CH without our input. This was a radical change and was slid in on us. Be it by bug or intentional it is still a radical and unacceptable change to CH.

Since you seem all knowing tell me how a CH is supposed to make money with 50-75% less to collect at the end of the mission if this stays in place?

Short of the BIG PICTURE illuminating us all, we have to digest the chunks as we get them. Another friend gets level 99 with an AT ST on Dant. Not bad for a smuggler. I have to group 3 pets and get nowhere close to that.

I have suggest the route to go if they want to remove the AT ST from the equation. They have a variable somwhere that reflects Faction Pets. They need to use it to resolve mission difficulties and payouts.

I can understand if this is ment to get rid of the people powering through 30k missions like they are nothing and each earning millions of credits a night but i have never gotten a doc buff in my life. I only recently got a cheap set of low kinetic composite of which i still cant wear most of the pieces yet. still working out where to move my stats for that... This i only got cause if any time my pet couldnt hold agro right away from my pull i was getting smeared all over the place. but as it is with my two pets and a harvesting droid in group i can only get get 4-6k missions. These are nothing for the powerplayers but are vital to my survival at my play level. I only play solo as nobody really wants to group with a CH at all. I see no plus side to this for me... I know SOE has the ability to track where all the money is coming in at. Why dont they just sent them an Empirial IRS email and impose an involentary donation to the TIE Fighters Widows Organization Say like 75% of your bankroll for everyone with over 1million credits. haha now thats balancing in a totalitarian galactic economy!!!

Message Edited by Tallika_RunswithKrayt on 11-10-2004 05:02 PM

The AT ST grouping has went on for a few months that I am aware of. It never quit counting for mission difficulty. It will now it appears. But my weapons should not count against me as your LLC shouldn't you.

The point is clear SOE wants even fewer CH. They want fewer because they do not know any way to balance us and they will not listen when we tell them. Sooner or later it will be only me left and they will fold CH because they will not upkeep it for the few.

Pluto, please stop bringing my assumption up. At the time (before more information was available), that was my best guess assumption as to why pets were not going to be included in the mission difficulty level. This was not made with anything other than the limited brain power that I have while working Night Shift and trying to crank out a novel by the end of the month.

However, as several people, including Vert, have already testified, that is not the case. Pets are still being included in the Difficulty Level calculations.

Now, if this changes between now and next week then we have cause to be up in arms. Major cause. Until then, please don't take my comments out of context. They are my best guess assumptions as to why these things could be happening. They are not gospel.