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Lorelai_Seabreeze

Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:57 am

Maybe my post went over some heads, Ill try to rephrase it.

The majority of people in this world are an impatient lot.They want things done and they want them done yesterday.
Telling them to slow down and enjoy the time it takes to master will do nothing but put the title of Master as an end game item.
You see people say that the GCW is the end game or that master Jedi is the end game. They are not.There is NO end game.
The time it takes to master any profession should not be a chore.For the majority of players out there CH has become one.
CH has one of the longest treadmills to master than any other profession.
To get your mind off the time it takes to master any profession you need to get involved with other players.
But do not tell them not to grind.

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EccoTon

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:23 am

#15

Lorelai, Not to grind was advice that is all. You seem angery at this advice. This works for me and from the posts works for others to. If you want to grind and that is your fun great. Grind away. The point to the no grind approach you get involved with other players and explore more of the game, that is where the game come alive.

Not sure why you have such a problem with this advice. Yes I did make master before the nerfs and it took time then too. I have also mastered other professions without the typical grind. All I am saying is to avoid burnout avoid grinding when you can. I offer this opinion to try to help keep players in the game. That is all.

Ecco

Message Edited by EccoTon on 09-17-2004 09:27 AM

Lorelai_Seabreeze

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:32 am

#16

Your advising people to have fun on one hand, then you turn around and tell them not to grind. That reinforces a fallicy that the Master title is the end game and defeats your purpose.It then drives players to grind harder only to be let down when they reach master.

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Wallach1

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:43 am

#17

Lorelai_Seabreeze wrote:
I find it a bit odd that a person who made MCH back before all the nerfs and major overhaul says not to grind.
Easy words to say considering you had it easy.
Back before all those nerfs you didnt have to grind, it was fun fast and easy.You could take your time to level and enjoy the sights at the same time.You leveled up at a fairly fast pace and there WAS no need to grind.
Everyone puts too much emphasis these days on having fun while leveling, what about having fun as a master.
I made master CH before the nerfs and overhaul turned it into a grind.
I have fun AS a master CH and with the leveling behind me I can concentrate on the finer aspects of the game.
Such as GCW,quests,roleplaying,finding rare pets to tame,exploring without fear, meeting new friends and many more.Yes you can experience these while leveling but it so much more fun as a master.
The end game is not MASTER, thats only the begining.There are a lot of things to do AS a master.
IMHO there is no end game,it is an ever evolving MMORPG.
As master CH,guild leader,mayor and a rich player you are still enjoying the game with the leveling behind you.
Nothing stops the grinders from achieving the same results.Grinding is boring and burns people out fast that is true BUT they wouldnt have had to grind if the Devs had not changed the system.You grew up in a system where there was no need to grind to get master CH,that system has changed.
This game was praised way back then for its ease of leveling,It was fun to level.Now its a chore to level.
Leveling should not be dragged out to keep players paying.
New things to do such as quests, new planets etc etc should help keep the players occupied but shouldnt be a players main focus.
Having fun with other players and creating your own story in a story will keep more players in this game than anything the devs could ever devise.

Okay, here's a comment from someone who didn't "grind" it before the nerfs. I for one have always stated that the best way to "grind" CH is just to go out and hunt. I never hit the Geo Caves, I never ran the squill caves, or the Tusken Fort. I did go on a Rancor hunt for all of an hour, but for the most part, I just went out, tamed and released and killed with my pets. If you constantly go out and grind grind grind, it becomes a chore, and I ain't big on chores when I'm trying to have fun.

Granted, there are stuff that only a master can do, but there is still fun out there for be MCH in training. Take a look at Tivo's list, and there are some uncommons that a non MCH can find and tame. Or you can find a couple good pets that you are wanting, i.e. for me GSP and the Grand Wrix, I made a couple days outta finding these animals. I didn't stop when I had just one, I tamed and released a few for xp, but it was fun, I felt like a hunter getting his trophies.

Some poeple want to grind grind grind and make a chore out of it, feh, let them, if that's what they want. But there is fun in every aspect of this profession if you go out and try it. did you know we are the only profession that really could go out and hunt unarmored and unbuffed, and if you are a ranged profession, even more so. We are also the only profession that is a "solo group" to the truest sense of the words. When I was able to use 2 pets, I pulled out 2 level 15 cats, a probot and took off after I got missions. never died, I let my cats, droid and carbine clear the way. Name another profession that can do that unbuffed and unarmored? None really.

I think I went a bit off track there, but still the same, this profession is fun at any level, because he have opprotunites that others don't. Why grind? ultimatly, it's up to the player, I didn't, but it dont' mean someone else doesn't want to.

Walle Deabi - Shortest Master Creature Handler on Shadowfire

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Pringle2082

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:51 am

#18

EccoTon wrote:

I see more and more posts about people who leave the game. I have a little advice to you newer players. "Do not grind" I have played this game for over a year as a MCH and still enjoy it. I do not grind! You do not need to grind to be successful.

I am a leader of a great guild, Mayor of a fun town, one of the richest players in my town, own most every rare item in game, have an amazing collection of rare and extinct pets, have a ton of badges, and still look forward to my game time.The point I am making is have fun slow down play other games too. The fastest way to get burned out with SWG is to grind day after day.

The game offers a lot of fun things to do. Go out and explore the galaxy and keep the grinding to a minimum. Power gamers do not seem to last. This is a fun game dispite it's flaws so have fun.

Ecco

/agree

I recently came back to the game after a four month absence which began shortly after I decided to take up hologrinding. When I was grinding I was bored so I just didn't want to log in. I'm now going back up CH with rifleman (first two professions I ever mastered), I'm leveling fairly slowly on various planets, usually not bothering with buffs or armor. Much more fun than getting buffs and 80% comp and spending hours at a time on Dant.

Message Edited by Pringle2082 on 09-17-2004 05:52 PM

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Wallach1

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:56 am

#19

Lorelai_Seabreeze wrote:
Maybe my post went over some heads, Ill try to rephrase it.

The majority of people in this world are an impatient lot.They want things done and they want them done yesterday.
Telling them to slow down and enjoy the time it takes to master will do nothing but put the title of Master as an end game item.
You see people say that the GCW is the end game or that master Jedi is the end game. They are not.There is NO end game.
The time it takes to master any profession should not be a chore.For the majority of players out there CH has become one.
CH has one of the longest treadmills to master than any other profession.
To get your mind off the time it takes to master any profession you need to get involved with other players.
But do not tell them not to grind.

I will agree with this in some parts, yes, CH is ONE of the lognest treadmiss. yes, The tiem it takes to master any profession should not be a chore. And yes, CH has become a chore.

But, it depends on how you think of chore. Me personally, a chore is coming in and feeling you HAVE to do something as quick as you can, day in and day out so you can get the end of this particular goal. Now, this might be good for some, cause honestly, with CH having the "treadmill" that it has, most people get frustrated with it half way through and want to quit. For me, I knew I was going to stick with it, so it didn't matter how fast I got there, I enjoyed the travel getting there.

Honestly, it's up to the person, how they want to play, if they want to grind, let them, by all means, grind your heart out. If you want to just take your time and enjoy it, then do that. It's all up to the individual, none of us can tell others how to play, just give our opinion.

Walle Deabi - Shortest Master Creature Handler on Shadowfire

"Yes, my spelling and grammer sucks, but I never claimed to be an English Major." -Wallach1

GFoyle

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:56 am

#20

My main character made MCH well before the CH patch - then you could most definitely play the game and progress without having to "grind".

About a month back I started my alt on CH and, I'm afraid, progression by just playing the game is just plain impossible.

If Gally wants to go sightseeing, hunt for materials (as opposed to XP) or generally mooch around, she pulls out her "best" (highest CL) pet. Doesn't matter what she does though - it's only 1 XP per kill. Only 700K or so to master so that may take a while............

If she wants to level in CH, it's out with a pet of half the level she can handle and hunt those red and yellow mobs (and it's still going to take a while).

Unfortunately, the way earning CH XP is set up you are forced to grind XP or not progress at all - there is no middlepath.

Going through the CH learning experience again is an eye-opener - especially when training a combat class in parallel.

For all classes, the XP requirements go up as you progress. This is generally fine, your ability to gain XP increases as well as you gain abilities. CH is the only class though where your ability to gain XP with"equipment" appropriate to your skill actually decreases as you gain the ability to use higher level pets.

Every time I log in as Gally I have to make a choice: Grind CH or "play the game".

This issue really needs looking at since now there really is no way to both play and progress in CH at the same time, the way I did when I first mastered the profession.

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SkyPreacher1

Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:31 am

#21

I am not a grinder, I am a Master.

I mastered BE, CH, Musician and now working on BH. I am doing it for me. Not for anyone else just me.

....and then no matter how hard we get nerfed, we still keep CH because we are still some of the coolest characters on the game.

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Aakhperkare

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:02 am

#22

I'm guilty of grinding mission lairs to find a tameable

Drakulos

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:02 am

#23

I think the overall message is HAVE FUN. do not over analyze. If you do it fast or slow. HAVE FUN.

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Lorelai_Seabreeze

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:06 am

#24

^ Bingo

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Wallach1

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:19 am

#25

Drakulos wrote:

I think the overall message is HAVE FUN. do not over analyze. If you do it fast or slow. HAVE FUN.

PRAISE THE FORCE!!! WE HAVE FINALLYI SEEN THE LIGHT!!!

hehehe

Walle Deabi - Shortest Master Creature Handler on Shadowfire

"Yes, my spelling and grammer sucks, but I never claimed to be an English Major." -Wallach1

EccoTon

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:30 am

#26

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Your advising people to have fun on one hand, then you turn around and tell them not to grind. That reinforces a fallicy that the Master title is the end game and defeats your purpose.It then drives players to grind harder only to be let down when they reach master.

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Lorelai, I really do not know what you mean by this statement. Where did I ever mention master titles? All I talked about was keep the grinding to a minimum and explore the total game and that you can have success having fun. You are arguing a point I never made. I guessI am not getting what you are trying to say. That aside why would they be let down when they reach master? Sounds to me you simple do not enjoy this game much. I maybe wrong but I miss your point. Are you saying you can only enjoy game with a master title? If that is the case you are wrong and I never suggested that. I had just as much fun as a noob as I do know.

I think you are taking my do not grind idea the wrong way. You seem to be making it sound like I never want anyone to grind ever. You are taking it to literally. I was just pointing out that a constant grind can end in boredom and leaving the game. By all means grind if you want. Do not take my post as to mean I know the only way and that is not to grind. That was not the intent behind it. I think you are taking to seriously.

Ecco

Message Edited by EccoTon on 09-17-2004 11:37 AM

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