Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Wookies
RonninOtnemem wrote:
wookiees dont get any bonus to taming higher lvl creatures early on, the species bonuses are broken
The species bonus for wookies works fine and can be very easily proved by having a wookie call a graul mauler at 2/2/x/x when no other race can do so. Please don't spread misinformation - if you don't know, fine, ask, much asthe OP did/
Sooty im not exactly sure what you're meaning here. The species bonus only gives you a higher chance at taming something so instead of having a +0 to taming wild and vicious creatures we get a +10 as a wookiee. (correct me if im wrong on teh vicious and wild but i know its either one or both of those that we get a bonus on) That only allows a wookiee CH to have a better chance at taming harder creatures.
I think what sooty is saying is that at 2 2 0 0 I would have a better chance at taming something taht my bonus would effect than a human or other species. The point is that the species bonus does not give any enhancements to calling a number of pets. So if I had a rancor and a graul mauler i couldn't call both of them at master if they are fully grown...however i could call them both if say the mauler is level 20 at the time i call it at the rancor is level 50.
I hope this helps ya out. =)
-Truwen
Sooty wrote:
RonninOtnemem wrote:
wookiees dont get any bonus to taming higher lvl creatures early on, the species bonuses are broken
The species bonus for wookies works fine and can be very easily proved by having a wookie call a graul mauler at 2/2/x/x when no other race can do so. Please don't spread misinformation - if you don't know, fine, ask, much asthe OP did/
Actually, it is true that our Species bonuses are not working at the lower levels at least. We are supposed to get +10 Taming Bonus and at 1/X/X/X, I am not able to tame a level 25 creature even though I am supposed to be able to. This is not misinformation, this is fact. Before the big patch that changed the way the CH profession worked, at 1/x/x/x we were able to tame creatures that are now listed as lvl 25.
Bolerro wrote:
Sooty wrote:
RonninOtnemem wrote:
wookiees dont get any bonus to taming higher lvl creatures early on, the species bonuses are broken
The species bonus for wookies works fine and can be very easily proved by having a wookie call a graul mauler at 2/2/x/x when no other race can do so. Please don't spread misinformation - if you don't know, fine, ask, much asthe OP did/
Actually, it is true that our Species bonuses are not working at the lower levels at least. We are supposed to get +10 Taming Bonus and at 1/X/X/X, I am not able to tame a level 25 creature even though I am supposed to be able to. This is not misinformation, this is fact. Before the big patch that changed the way the CH profession worked, at 1/x/x/x we were able to tame creatures that are now listed as lvl 25.
The FACT is the Wookiee bonus doesn't change the max level of pets or the max number of pet levels. And it would have to change one of those two numbers for Wookies to call a level 25 creature at anything less than 1,1. The bonus works just fine, in fact it works better because you can often call aggressive creatures before non-Wookiees can call them. No other racial bonus to class skills gives that kind of edge.
So, the Wookiee bonus ISN'T broken just because it doesn't work the way you want it to work, and that is the fact.
Just to let the original poster know....
I am a wookie and I can tame and call a full grown graul mauler at 2,2,x,x. I could also tame aggressive creatures that non-wookies can tame at 2,1,x,x at 1,1,x,x. So, IMO it is worth being a wookie early on in the CH tree, but if you are going for master, it really doesn't matter anyway. I kind of look at the bonus as being one taming level above what you "technically" are.
EirCH wrote:
So, IMO it is worth being a wookie early on in the CH tree, but if you are going for master, it really doesn't matter anyway.
Maybe I read this part wrong, but the way I see it is that once we do become master, were like every other race out there. We essentially lose our special ability in this area. Argument could say that we would be able to tame some creatures that are essentially untamable, but that isn't true either since the CL of that creature would still be too high to even call.
Just hope they fix the wookiees special abilities so that we essentially don't lose them once we master CH.
Bolerro wrote:
Sooty wrote:
RonninOtnemem wrote:
wookiees dont get any bonus to taming higher lvl creatures early on, the species bonuses are broken
The species bonus for wookies works fine and can be very easily proved by having a wookie call a graul mauler at 2/2/x/x when no other race can do so. Please don't spread misinformation - if you don't know, fine, ask, much asthe OP did/
Actually, it is true that our Species bonuses are not working at the lower levels at least. We are supposed to get +10 Taming Bonus and at 1/X/X/X, I am not able to tame a level 25 creature even though I am supposed to be able to. This is not misinformation, this is fact. Before the big patch that changed the way the CH profession worked, at 1/x/x/x we were able to tame creatures that are now listed as lvl 25.
That is because you are misunderstanding the different terms and skills used in the game. Wookies get a bonus to tame creatures, that is all they have ever gotten in regard to CH. However, many people mistakenly translate that bonus to thinking it means they can call more CL of creatures at any given skill level, which is an entirely different skill. Before the big patch that added the whole CL system in, everyone could tame things higher than cl 25 at whatever level, so that arguement is irrelevant.
To break it down, every CH has4 skills that pertain to this discussion - Tame Wild Animals, Tame Vicious Animals, Max Level of Pets, Max Number ofPet Levels. Wookies get a bonus to taming - this has absolutely nothing to do with the gross number of CLs that they can call. The taming bonus is applied to the first 2 skills above. This has the effect of (a) giving wookiesa small advantage by reducing the number of failed tames they get and (b) allowing wookie CHs to use certain vicious pets at earlier skill levels than non-wookies.
To explain (b) more - in order to call a pet you must have at least a 15% chance of taming it, as well as having the required levels in Max Number of Pet Levels and Max Level of Pets skills. The community does not have firm data, but the assumption is that there is a hidden modifier to taming based upon the CHs Max Level of Pets skill vs the creatures CL. This is most evident in the example I gave before - the graul vs the graul mauler. The former is vicious and CL 30 and can be used by any CH at 2/2/x/x. At that skill, the CH call up to CL 35 creatures. However, a non-wookie cannot call a graul mauler, which is CL34.Both creatures are vicious, yet one can be called at 2/2/x/x and the other can't. At that skill level, the CH has a Tame Vicious Creatures modifer of just +10 meaning that without some hidden modifier a non-wookie should not be able to call any vicious creatures. With a hidden modifier being something as simple as (max Level of Pets modifier - creature being tamed adult CL) that would give the non-wookie a +5 bonus to tame a regular graul, thus reaching the required 15% minimum chance. However, as the mauler is CL34 the non-wookie does not get enough of a bonus and is unable to tame, and therefore call, that creature. This is fairly basic analysis of facts in evidence in the game itself.
It is in situations like this that the wookie bonus can be shown empirically to be working. Its not opinion, it is fact. It may not be working the way some wookies think it should, but honestly that is beside the point. It is working exactly as it is supposed to - giving wookies a small bonus to being able to tame creatures. Species skill bonuses are all minor and pretty much irrelevant upon reaching master levels in a profession, they just make getting there a bit easier. Please don't bring up the armor thing, it is independent of this discussion. All races get small skill bonuses - from Twi'lek entertaining ones to Mon Cal crafting. A Mon Cal cannot craft different weapons from other weaponsmiths, a Twi'lek doesn't get additional dances or somgs compared to other races, why should a wookie be able to tame, call and use a pet NO OTHER creature handler can?