Creature Handler Archive
Thread: Corral Plan: A Rough Draft 1
RemoMoxey
Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:03 pm
#118
There are some good ideas here. I'm behind CH's 100%, you guys need to be made viable again. Now, for my opinions and solutions................lol.
I don't think CH should have been a profession in SWG, that's my opinion. Now that said CH is a profession (and isn't going away) and needs to have some purpose other than teaching mounts.
So here are my ideas for CH. These are all dependant on each other to work, so they all need to be implimented at the same time.
1- First thing is creatures need to have a chance to turn on or run away from their masters (based on CL and agressive factor, i.e. a durni has a 1:10 million chance of bolting/attacking master- A rancor has a 1:10K chance ect.). Once they attack/bolt they dissapear from the datapad.After all, these are wild animals. If you think there shouldn't be a chance talk to Sigfreid & Roy.....lol. It's also renewable income for CHs and Bio-Engineers.
2- Wild creatures and Bioed creatures need to be COMPARABLE!!!!! Right now Bioed pets are better than wild, and that's not helping CHs out. Throw in some Slighty Ticked Rancors (moreabout variants later in this post)in there to compete with Bioed rancors........lol. Or at least have color and/or resistance differences between Bioed and wild.
3- Add flying creatures to Bio-Engineers (AND MAKEALL BIOED/WILD FLYERSUSEFUL!) Flying creatures are cool, but they ALL suck because Bioed ones are not craftable (it would unbalance the game if wild flyers were actually useful.....lol).
4- Variants.......... BRING BACK UN-NERFED ARACHNE WEBMASTERS!!!!!!!!!!!! And all the other extinct creatures. This will give Master CHs something to brag about. I still am in AWE when I see someone run by with a webmaster (with medium armor), or enraged rancor. They don't have to spawn babies alot, just enough that people will start using them again (instead of keeping it in the datapad in fear of it dying).
Anyway, those are my opinions for helping CHs out. Flame me if you want......................lol.
OdiousEncounter
Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:39 pm
#120
Thanks for the post JustG, it's very much appreciated.
Unofortunately, I'm pretty sure now tht CHs won't be getting either new content or bug fixes for at least another 6 months. As much as I hate to do it, it may be time to drop...
Pluto9Moon
Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:24 pm
#121
Odious,
I feel saddened that you even infer that you may not linger around with us. Soon and very soon I will be one of the oldest MCH's here. Even at that I am rarely active, although this week I plan on finishing my Silent Hologrind. My theory is Scout>SQL>Chef>Pistoleer. I have done outdoorsy/support/Hybrid/Elite/Crafter/Combat. The only thing left is healing and i have already Mastered Medic and Doc. MCM would require me to drop CH by my best Math. SO, say hello to the newest CH/Dancer. LOL pathetic. After I am done with the FSCS slot I will return Pluto to the Master of Chaos and Death that anyone names PlutosNinthMoon Scorpiorising should be.
Where was I? Oh yeah, I can appreciate how pinned down you feel. I am not giving in until I am the last CH left. I will post enough at that time to keep Vert busy to make up for the rest.
Good luck if you decide to leave us. Tell us the good news of the outside world.
I feel saddened that you even infer that you may not linger around with us. Soon and very soon I will be one of the oldest MCH's here. Even at that I am rarely active, although this week I plan on finishing my Silent Hologrind. My theory is Scout>SQL>Chef>Pistoleer. I have done outdoorsy/support/Hybrid/Elite/Crafter/Combat. The only thing left is healing and i have already Mastered Medic and Doc. MCM would require me to drop CH by my best Math. SO, say hello to the newest CH/Dancer. LOL pathetic. After I am done with the FSCS slot I will return Pluto to the Master of Chaos and Death that anyone names PlutosNinthMoon Scorpiorising should be.
Where was I? Oh yeah, I can appreciate how pinned down you feel. I am not giving in until I am the last CH left. I will post enough at that time to keep Vert busy to make up for the rest.
Good luck if you decide to leave us. Tell us the good news of the outside world.
OdiousEncounter
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:09 pm
#122
I didn't think I'd ever leave, and I'm still not wholly sure. If i do, I'm certainly putting up my Creature Empath title and screenshoting me getting a hug of each and every one of my pets before i lock them away in my datapad. I certainly want to come back eventually, but I'm not sure i can stay in this state for another 4-6 months (it would be bordering on cruel to my pets). I think a few month break may be just perfect, and give me on opprotunity to try TKA and experience PvP, being uber, etc. My friend's an almost-Master Rifleman, and we are both saddened by the huge discrepancy inpower between us. I still have a few skills i can drop before CH is all that's left, and then it will be a tough choice...
SkyPreacher1
Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:44 am
#123
Hi,
I know everyone is busy patting themselves on the back for having JustG stop by and say something. But in essence this is what he said.
"You are borked, we know that we nerfed the living crap out of you, we did it on purpose. We aren't going to fix you and we have no plans to fix you. You are going to stay not only Borked but we don't plan on fixing any of your bugs either. Even after combat rebalance comes, (and only God knows when that will happen) you will still be borked and you will still have a million bugs. Oh go have fun."
Just one question, Why are you all excited over his post? Because he said we had a nice idea that won't get implemented at the earliest till after space expansion? Because then it won't matter because no one will be playing CH anymore anyway.
I am hanging on to CH but you know with the attitude of the Dev(il)s it gets harder and harder. Harder to watch my pets get incapped, harder to run like crazy to catch up and kill them, harder to justify why I am a CH when as a pure CH not using my weapon, I can not get into the genosian caves, Fort Tusken is a place of death. Then I get JustG telling me I am to be happy being so borked. Well guys this CH is slowly reaching his limit of masochistic endurance.
There was not one, read it thoroughly guys, not one bone, not one ray of hope thrown our way, not one. Not a fix, not a return to pre dec. pets nothing. Nothing put a little political dance. Sorry I am even more depressed about our profession now than before JustScrewedYou posted.
EvilNerf
Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:08 am
#124
SkyPreacher1 wrote:
Hi,
I know everyone is busy patting themselves on the back for having JustG stop by and say something. But in essence this is what he said.
"You are borked, we know that we nerfed the living crap out of you, we did it on purpose. We aren't going to fix you and we have no plans to fix you. You are going to stay not only Borked but we don't plan on fixing any of your bugs either. Even after combat rebalance comes, (and only God knows when that will happen) you will still be borked and you will still have a million bugs. Oh go have fun."
Just one question, Why are you all excited over his post? Because he said we had a nice idea that won't get implemented at the earliest till after space expansion? Because then it won't matter because no one will be playing CH anymore anyway.
I am hanging on to CH but you know with the attitude of the Dev(il)s it gets harder and harder. Harder to watch my pets get incapped, harder to run like crazy to catch up and kill them, harder to justify why I am a CH when as a pure CH not using my weapon, I can not get into the genosian caves, Fort Tusken is a place of death. Then I get JustG telling me I am to be happy being so borked. Well guys this CH is slowly reaching his limit of masochistic endurance.
There was not one, read it thoroughly guys, not one bone, not one ray of hope thrown our way, not one. Not a fix, not a return to pre dec. pets nothing. Nothing put a little political dance. Sorry I am even more depressed about our profession now than before JustScrewedYou posted.
Skypreacher, this isnt meant to be another Devs vs CH post. Lets stay on target here.
Pluto9Moon
Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:09 am
#125
Sky,
I do no have any counters or defeaters for anything you say. He stated they were busy for a long time to come. He came and checked it out. He said keep working on it. Polish it some more. If working on it is even in vain. The forums are still the one part of the game I currently enjoy.
Here is what I am asking for Sky. In reality the game operates one way. The forums almost always say it should operate another. If and when it does become our turn. We have one well thought out post that captures the spirit of what CH wants. If it takes six months I will either stay or I won't. But in the mean time rather than sitting in my current ghost town for 14 hours I can use what I believe to be my imagination and moral sentiments to direct the flow of what I believe the game should be like.
In essence, right here right now we are trying to play Dev Mini-Me. Whether they bite or do not I guess doesn't mean Jack. I get to interact with my fellow CH, express what I would like to see, hear what they would like to see. And we do some compromising and adjusting. We balanced with the Rangers. Although we gave everything up and got nothing. And they got Droid harvesters from DE. That will be interesting to watch play out.
Sky, I would rather keep this positive. It has staye that way from get go. Pipedream that it may be, it is still us interacting with us and the rest of the communities of SWG.
Our biggest issue, in this thread is not the Devs. But how to ask for breeding and at what expense can breeding come without affecting BE and still give us some form of interactive pets.
I am happy JustG bothered to come read it. I am not elated we have to wait. And still, I am working on this positively and I am the first to tell you if it came down to this or finding the autostore bugs I would rather them take the time to fix bugs.
I do no have any counters or defeaters for anything you say. He stated they were busy for a long time to come. He came and checked it out. He said keep working on it. Polish it some more. If working on it is even in vain. The forums are still the one part of the game I currently enjoy.
Here is what I am asking for Sky. In reality the game operates one way. The forums almost always say it should operate another. If and when it does become our turn. We have one well thought out post that captures the spirit of what CH wants. If it takes six months I will either stay or I won't. But in the mean time rather than sitting in my current ghost town for 14 hours I can use what I believe to be my imagination and moral sentiments to direct the flow of what I believe the game should be like.
In essence, right here right now we are trying to play Dev Mini-Me. Whether they bite or do not I guess doesn't mean Jack. I get to interact with my fellow CH, express what I would like to see, hear what they would like to see. And we do some compromising and adjusting. We balanced with the Rangers. Although we gave everything up and got nothing. And they got Droid harvesters from DE. That will be interesting to watch play out.
Sky, I would rather keep this positive. It has staye that way from get go. Pipedream that it may be, it is still us interacting with us and the rest of the communities of SWG.
Our biggest issue, in this thread is not the Devs. But how to ask for breeding and at what expense can breeding come without affecting BE and still give us some form of interactive pets.
I am happy JustG bothered to come read it. I am not elated we have to wait. And still, I am working on this positively and I am the first to tell you if it came down to this or finding the autostore bugs I would rather them take the time to fix bugs.
spreadsheet
Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:48 pm
#126
Thank you Pluto. This is C/H speaking with C/H. I know there is alot of fixes and improvments that need to be done. Lets work together on this. The next time a DEV checks in on this we can have a much better propasal for him to comment on. I think we have some great ideas here and I very much enjoy sharing them with my fellow C/H's.
=SIVART SMADA= 
-Elder Medic-
Tengue
Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:10 pm
#127
I see a good place here for dropping the trade in idea. The kennel idea would replace
tradein. Along with this idea, I would like to see non ch revert to pre nerf lvl 15.
This would allow a non ch to ride cu-pa and bantha or kaadu, use cowardly gurreck, have a nice pet that many loved, the gualamma. Not much below lvl 15 has much effect on combat at all but was a large money source for ch including the lowly novice ch.
I realy hate training pets, especially be pets that cut my sales completly. Let the be do thier own work. This kennel training method would cause a ch income, relieve a ch of hiding just so you dont get constantly hounded to please train my pet, and get rid of trade in need.
tradein. Along with this idea, I would like to see non ch revert to pre nerf lvl 15.
This would allow a non ch to ride cu-pa and bantha or kaadu, use cowardly gurreck, have a nice pet that many loved, the gualamma. Not much below lvl 15 has much effect on combat at all but was a large money source for ch including the lowly novice ch.
I realy hate training pets, especially be pets that cut my sales completly. Let the be do thier own work. This kennel training method would cause a ch income, relieve a ch of hiding just so you dont get constantly hounded to please train my pet, and get rid of trade in need.
Pluto9Moon
Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:33 pm
#128
Yanno Tengue that is an angle I had not really thought about at all. Any other nerfed weapon people are forced to suck it up and drive on. We had our replacement market doubly taken away from us. First the market shifted to BE and secondly the pet Trade in Method. If anyone should replace pets it should NOT be NPC's but special vendors that CH's can place and stock with CL10s.
RoboFish
Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:55 pm
#129
Another Idea that goes along with me breeding idea, if we breed for lower HAM then theoretically it would be assigned a low CL, this would solve the problem of there being no Non-CH Bantha or Cu-PA
Vertexon
Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:40 pm
#130
Pluto9Moon wrote:
Yanno Tengue that is an angle I had not really thought about at all. Any other nerfed weapon people are forced to suck it up and drive on. We had our replacement market doubly taken away from us. First the market shifted to BE and secondly the pet Trade in Method. If anyone should replace pets it should NOT be NPC's but special vendors that CH's can place and stock with CL10s.
I don't want to drag the thread off topic, but the temporary pet trade in system does seem like a special case. At the time, almost everyone had a non-CH pet or two (if, for no other reason, then to use as a mount). A lot of those were CL 11-15 (remember the big rock beetle craze?
). Those pets weren't just being nerfed... they were being rendered completely uncallable by their masters. Not to mention that people tend to get attached to their pets, and the trade-in made it easier to pretend you were getting the same pet back (in a lot of cases).