Commando Archive
Thread: My flame 2 is doing 10k plus dmg?
Kisedd
Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:31 pm
#53
Only the flamer is overpowed. The rest of the weapons seems weak. So weak that I hardly ever see a commando use anything but the flamer. I have no idea what will happen with the rebalance, but any profession doing 12k damage to mobs is insane. PvP is another deal all together.
Raanan
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:31 pm
#54
Kisedd... the flamer is NOT overpowered! The 12k damage on mobs has the SAME restrictions as pvp only without the mitigation factor. The only mobs we do 12k damage against are those WITHOUT armor or heat resistance. An example to illistrate my point.
I was running missions on endor today. Without thinking about it, I took a Bordok mission and if you look at a Bordok's attributes, you'll notice it has 100% heat resistance. Want to know how much damage I did to it with my flamer? ZERO!
I briefly took ona toxic merek battlelord which has light armor AND 80% (might have been 60%) heat resistance. The damage i did to the merek was (with my average of 7k per flamesingle2) 700. Needless to say, I hopped back on my bike and ran like draft dodger.
I took a couple hanadack (or whatever they're called) missions. They have no armor but 60% heat resistance. Using flamesingle2 my average damage was around 2800.
Now for the Bordoks I switched over to my republic blaster and you know what? I spammed healthshot2 and did an average of 500 damage per second. Lets look at the numbers here. 7 seconds for my flamer to do zero damage to a critter. 7 seconds for my blaster to do 3500 damage to a critter and all I have besides master marksman is dirty fighting 2.
/sarcasm
I can't do 3500 damage in7 seconds to a bordok with my flamer!Republic blasters are overpowered! Nerf the republic blasters!
/endsarcasm
Sarcasm aside, I'm sure you see my point. The flamer is only that powerful against weak opponents so quit being a nerf herder and think about the way the game works.
tometaophion
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:35 pm
#55
lol, you do not hit every second, you only think you do because of the animation here is a little formula for you
Speed X Delay X(100-Skill Speed/100)
3.1X2.25 X(100-70/100)= 2
If a Swordsman Hit every second Dps would equal 2260 lol I wish!
Raanan
Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:51 pm
#56
Dude,where do you pull thesenumbers from? I haven't seen a pistol with more than 1.5speedsince my noob days on ahazi whenweaponsmiths were still learning the crafting system. My blaster sits at 1.5 and using your formula I do hit onceever second.Once every1.0125 seconds to be exact. Quit telling me I don't do what I know I do and every pistol user who knows what they're doing does as well.
tometaophion
Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:15 am
#57
Um With a pistol! lol we were talking about 3.1 powerhammers!. And I have seen 0.7 425 Dmg Scatter pistols, of course they were removed from the floor of the house I found them in a few hours after I sent a customer service ticket, maybe it was coincindence, im not sure. Oh and a 0.0 scout was there as well.
Raanan
Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:16 am
#58
Why would a low level compete with a high level? It's illogical. What has any of that to do with me using healthshot2 every second? You jump from subject to subject like a frog from lily pad to lily pad...
tometaophion
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:03 am
#59
I am no longer arguing that the dot dmg is too much, what I am arguing is that your class has the capacity to one hit kill MANY things, wheras I do not. This, particularly in pvp, is getting out of hand. Do you REALLY think that teh devs are nerfing you because they hate you? lol, and you call me names???!
garvin
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:25 am
#60
I am no longer arguing that the dot dmg is too much, what I am arguing is that your class has the capacity to one hit kill MANY things, wheras I do not. This, particularly in pvp, is getting out of hand. Do you REALLY think that teh devs are nerfing you because they hate you? lol, and you call me names???!
Do you even read your posts...go back and look at all the different angles you arguements have taken...AND any profession has the ability to easy kill an opponent given the right circumstances...are you saying that if someone stands in front of my FT with no armor, no buffs, no resists, nothing, that I should not be able to one-shot kill them...get real....
And no...I don't think the Dev's Nerf our profession because they hate us...not at all...On the Contrary, they Nerf our profession for 2 reasons...1) The don't understand us...and 2) They get sick of listening to whiners like you who don't understand the way the game works so you instead cry NERF to make you and your choose profession better...
Haven't you figured out the proper solution yet...people like you make me sick...you see some issue with your profession, so you go out of your way to NERF other professions to build yourself up...Instead of doing the smarter thing like getting your own profession fixed...you'd rather see time wasted starting a Forum war between Commandos Vs. Swordsmans...And don't deny it...your posts are filled with "Swordsman are so messed up...more then you...so you deserve to be nerf'd...boo hoo...whine whine...Swordsman are hurt so we need fixes more then you...cry cry..." I won't deny that Swordsman's need love...I just spent time over in that forum reading through their various issues...but I did something you are too immature to do...I didn't post...they know their issues best...who the hell would I be to go into their forum and post my opinions...I'm not a swordsman...so I go on with the idea that they know their issues best and support them in their fix requests 100%...Do you even comprehend this mentality? This is why I and other's call you names...because you are nothing but a 2 bit imature nerf herder who vents his frustrations about his own issues against another profession...
How about trying this...something that has worked for us in the past...Support other professions and they'll support you...we have a GREAT working relationship with Bounty Hunters...We support them on their fixes and they support us...We both can see obvious needs in either profession and don't waste our time and energy crying that we need attention more then the other...
Have even ever taken a step back to examine the difference between Melee and Ranged Professions...What are the strengths and weaknesses? Look at the Commando profession, all Power, no defense...and with that power comes serious restrictions...YES...the lastest change makes it occasionally possible for a 1 shot kill...but this isn't the norm...it required special circumstances...It requires low HAM...it requires little to no resists...it REQUIRES vunerability...it requires little to no armor...it requires no buffs...and it requires that they are within 16m of the Flame Thrower...And god forbid the commando doesn't get a one-shot kill, he now has to fight off his opponents for 10 seconds while he can't fight back...an easy kill...Have you ever looked at other profession strategies for accomplishing the EXACT same effect...look at TKA...they can KD an opponent and keep them on their back until death, in essence, the KD accomplishes the same thing...that's just one example...Look at the folks who combine Swordsman/Fencer and other high defense stacking professions...they make themselves impossible to hit and just wear down their opponent at a slower rate...we don't have the ability to take someone out slowly thanks to our lack of defense, so to balance our lack of protection, we have to do as much damage as we can quickly...this is why we have more power...
But instead of doing any research, you base all of your opinion and argument on what you saw in that one example...Did you even stop to think that up until this patch Commando's got no looting, xp or faction pt rights if they only used their specials...the Dev's added that back in AGAINST our advice not to as it would be used as a griefing tool...and we all predicted that we'd have to deal with pathetic whiners like you coming here and complaining...so your whole arguement was already told to TH before Patch 7 went through...you are just fulfilling the prophecy we all predicted...
If you had any decency or maturity, which I highly doubt, you'd apologize and go away....and promise to do your homework next time....you'd also make a HUGE apology to your fellow swordsman for doing them a great disservice...you are a tarnish to their whole profession...
Message Edited by garvin on 02-16-2004 12:29 PM
Message Edited by garvin on 02-16-2004 12:30 PM
Message Edited by garvin on 02-16-2004 12:30 PM
Keriz
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:46 am
#61
Commando's do get rooked in PvP.
As for me, I am trying to find my silent profession and I have to admit this profession is one of the funnest/easiest combat professions to grind.
Legowen
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:55 am
#62
First off I agree with Garvin... Good posts. I am no Commando yet but, I'm currently workin on the last 20k combat xp I need to be one. I'm joining the ranks even with the problems associated just because I love the idea of the class and what it SHOULD be. So I will be a commando and learn the ropes and post to hopefully help the SWG team with feedback. All things get tweaked in mmorpg's over time. So no worries. Just have fun with it. I see the point about Commandos and how they need a little more lovin. I'll be posting in here more often once I become one. Good luck to all the Commandos out there now and just have some fun till it gets worked out 
Legowen
blackspanish
Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:56 am
#63
I think the people in this thread have been discussing the damage reduction of the DOT due to the patch not whining. I've been and always will be a commando. Asking for effective PVP weapons is not to much to ask and is not whining. If you had experience at the class or had thought about it for a while you could or will see that most of you skill points are spent toward weapons that are ineffective.
Anyone who has played this game for any amount of time knows that mostmobs are a joke. I can kill mobs all day and night no problem. Big deal. They are dumb all you need is high damage output. PVP is where the problem like the man a few posts back formula said a 600 point 10 sec special with a 60 point dot is a joke.
JediJed
Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:11 am
#64
Your right mate and we are all wrong, every thing is fine in commando land....
Right for starters go pick up ANY other commando weapon and use it instead of the flamer.
Next after you have died several times take back out your flamer and go fight ANY other master combat profession and see how you do.
Next just think about what you are saying, Master Marksmen !! we should be surprised you were doing better than a master marksman ??
"Master TKMs" ..... errm what dose the M stand for in TKM ? Now were they really masters ? honestly ? as I am a Master Commando and fully buffed in the Tuskan fort i do ok, but TKMs just breeze through with out a care in the world.
Oh but you wont need to do any of this as you are Holo Grinding, just passing through, just happy that u got 300K of xp so you can drop the profession quicker, which is fine, just dont come here and tell us to stop moaning because u know nothing.
JediHawk650cc
Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:16 am
#65
tometaophion wrote:
What the hell are you whining about, a novice commando can beat a master anything else, with only one line in commando.
What game are you playing? LOL