Commando Archive
Thread: 2 bothersom things from tonight's HOC chat
StarNick
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:09 pm
#53
Do NOT panic guys. Im bringing this up in the corr forums.
Apparently the system just got HORRIBLY skewed...leaving our profession unable to grind if novice (damn).
Checking on things, trying to get answers....please bear with me folks.
Apparently the system just got HORRIBLY skewed...leaving our profession unable to grind if novice (damn).
Checking on things, trying to get answers....please bear with me folks.
Novock
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:11 pm
#54
So what the point of mastering commando? get a cpl blocks for Heavy Weapon speed but really yuo can make up for with generic mods. Yuo can Master Smuggler and Pistoleer and 0/4/0/0 BH and be able to fire a plasma FT with 66 speed and 163 accuracy. What the point of being a master commando now?
Knightcrest
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:29 pm
#55
Novock wrote:
So what the point of mastering commando? get a cpl blocks for Heavy Weapon speed but really yuo can make up for with generic mods. Yuo can Master Smuggler and Pistoleer and 0/4/0/0 BH and be able to fire a plasma FT with 66 speed and 163 accuracy. What the point of being a master commando now?
I see what you are talking about now... wow. Will wait to hear back on what Stern says. That is horribly screwed up if that is the case. Sounds like some other mixes would be more proficient with our weapons than we are with this setup.
Novock
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:30 pm
#56
I want out specials back. We bought into the whole game that "our weapons define us" but they no longer define us at all. We need something other than a few speed and accuracy points for our proffession. Not going to give us weapon certs give us what every other proffessions has SPECIALS taht only a commando TRAINED in that SKILL has!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Novock
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:33 pm
#57
yea as other proffessions actually get specials to go with their mods.
Knightcrest wrote:
Novock wrote:
So what the point of mastering commando? get a cpl blocks for Heavy Weapon speed but really yuo can make up for with generic mods. Yuo can Master Smuggler and Pistoleer and 0/4/0/0 BH and be able to fire a plasma FT with 66 speed and 163 accuracy. What the point of being a master commando now?
I see what you are talking about now... wow. Will wait to hear back on what Stern says. That is horribly screwed up if that is the case. Sounds like some other mixes would be more proficient with our weapons than we are with this setup.
Helios_SOE
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:33 pm
#58
Novock wrote:
1. A new system will be brought in making weapons certed by level rather than proffession.
Weapon certs can now be tied to a combat level + a specific skill box + a specific race
So, all three of these scenarios could happen:
1. Weapon is certed to anyone with a combat level of at least X
2.Weapon is certed to anyone witha combat level of at least X AND have achieved Skill Box N
3. Weapon is certed to anyone with a combat level of at least X AND have achieved Skill Box N AND is of raceK.
Most weapons currently fall into "1", some fall into "2" (mostly iconic and profression defining weapons) and very few(currently only bowcasters)fall into "3".
Cornith
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:36 pm
#59
StarNick wrote:
If this new system is intended, heads will roll. Im pissed, angry, peeved...hell even my legshot special stopped working on TC.
Ill be working on some answers and info concerning this guy, sorry for getting your hopes up....this may take a few days to sort out.
Starnick, I hate to point this out to you but they had to have thought of how it would effect commando when they made this decision. They decided that it doesn't matter. As i said in a previous converstion, they think they know best and they will do what ever they want.
Knightcrest
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:36 pm
#60
Helios_SOE wrote:
Novock wrote:
1. A new system will be brought in making weapons certed by level rather than proffession.
Weapon certs can now be tied to a combat level + a specific skill box + a specific race
So, all three of these scenarios could happen:
1. Weapon is certed to anyone with a combat level of at least X
2.Weapon is certed to anyone witha combat level of at least X AND have achieved Skill Box N
3. Weapon is certed to anyone with a combat level of at least X AND have achieved Skill Box N AND is of raceK.
Most weapons currently fall into "1", some fall into "2" (mostly iconic and profression defining weapons) and very few(currently only bowcasters)fall into "3".
Thanks for that clarification. Now please explain how now how other profs because of CL can throw our grenades? And use heavy weapons better than us with the right template dabbling due to general ranged speed and accuracy also granting them more specials as we have NONE included in our trees
Novock
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:37 pm
#61
Problem isALL of commando's weapons fall into number 1, meaning there is very little reason to waste SP on commando boxes as again you can fire a Plasma Ft with 66 speed and 163 accuracy without even training novice commando. No other proffession lacks both a single special and a single weapon certfication. JUST COMMANDOS!! YEAH we are unique.
Helios_SOE wrote:
Novock wrote:
1. A new system will be brought in making weapons certed by level rather than proffession.
Weapon certs can now be tied to a combat level + a specific skill box + a specific race
So, all three of these scenarios could happen:
1. Weapon is certed to anyone with a combat level of at least X
2.Weapon is certed to anyone witha combat level of at least X AND have achieved Skill Box N
3. Weapon is certed to anyone with a combat level of at least X AND have achieved Skill Box N AND is of raceK.
Most weapons currently fall into "1", some fall into "2" (mostly iconic and profression defining weapons) and very few(currently only bowcasters)fall into "3".
Cornith
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:37 pm
#62
Then why aren't there weapon certs in the boxs and why as a 2222 pistoleer can i use a flamerthrower?
Knightcrest
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:40 pm
#63
To summarize, we are the only ones that use heavy weapons. Other profs have rifles, carbs, and pistols mixed in, but we are the heavy weapons experts... Why take commando at all with no specials if you can use the weapons as effectively as another template stacking on more specials and mods from other proffesions just using commando weapons with them? Our weapons are what makes this prof... Carbineer, Rifleman, Pistoleer... they have mods that make theirs.
Helios_SOE
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:41 pm
#64
Cornith wrote:
Then why aren't there weapon certs in the boxs and why as a 2222 pistoleer can i use a flamerthrower?
There are still various issues to hammer out. I expect changes on this as much as anything else on TC.
StarNick
Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:43 pm
#65
Thank you Helios. Basically that was what I was trying to allude to everyone...but now its public
However, there is something seriously borked with the system...as ANY weapon currently can be equiped by ANY avatar over CL 54. Already had our fellow CL 75 Master Commando try it.
Not to mention....mine, and everyone's CL levels (1 for most...3 for Vin who was originally a CL 78) have dropped that Ive talked to.
Edit: Also, I hope you're aware that the Launcher Pistol is currently giving Pistol experience...making it very hard to level up to a Rocket Launcher...
However, there is something seriously borked with the system...as ANY weapon currently can be equiped by ANY avatar over CL 54. Already had our fellow CL 75 Master Commando try it.
Not to mention....mine, and everyone's CL levels (1 for most...3 for Vin who was originally a CL 78) have dropped that Ive talked to.
Edit: Also, I hope you're aware that the Launcher Pistol is currently giving Pistol experience...making it very hard to level up to a Rocket Launcher...
Message Edited by StarNick on 04-13-2005 11:46 PM