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Thread: List of Possible Pre-CURB Quick Fixes

nerfherder321
Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:41 am
#40






TK-132 wrote:

Ya know I don't think I've ever been so ticked off by the Devs. Too damn lazy to even put a little fix in for us. I seriously doubt if they will fix things so great in the blessed CU. If it ever comes...


There has been no Alpha yet or any other information on the CU. How hard is it to get it done I mean c'mon. This is just lame. All they care about is marketing. They are saving everything for when the movie comes out using the movie to help sell the game better and beat the other MMORPGs.





you're thinkgin of the FS system... implmented for the marketing, then promply forgot about... we are getin jedi up the yin-yang and i still dont see why FS or non -fS sword users cant use or even POSESS a lightsaberr... consdiereing..it is like a sword... but yess yes, they told us something big! but then they told us about the GCW and we are alll happy! then... the news about the CU gets to go away while we are occupied with this GCW stuff




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CyberData4
Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:12 pm
#41

Get the Force Sensitive Speed mods to properly stack with out flamethrower and all ranged weapons!
Jediwind
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:07 pm
#42






StarNick wrote:






Good evening folks, one issue Im going to try and push before the Devs is a compilation of quick fixes to help out commando -now- plus give us something that is beneficial to pass the time until the CURB is (finally) released onto Live. For the most part this includes doable and small fixes that would benefit our profession. Ill be submitting this list to the Developers in hopes that we may get a bone thrown to us prior to the CURB...






My proposal as followed:


Commando Requests for Pre-CURB "Quick Fixes"


The following are fixes that the commando community would like to see in order to help our profession now. These "fixes" would be temporary of course until the CURB is released, but would be a GREAT benefit to our profession until then. The community also feels that these could be fixes that may be easily implented into our profession (such as when we recieved +25 Melee/Range defenses in our Master Skill Box). This list consists of specific requests that could be taken to help improve our condition in the game, is as followed:


Concerns Highlighted in Red are those that we feel are needed to the upmost degree until the CURB hits, and if we could only get these, the situation of the Commando Profession would be improved drastically.


Concerns highlighted in yellow and light blue are wishlist items we would like to see added, but are not piority. Yellow are secondary.


Skill Mods


  • +15 to +30FT Speed

  • +15 to +30 HAR Speed

  • +35 to flamethrower accuracy

  • +35 HAR Accuracy

  • Get Thrown Weapon Accuracy Working

  • Reasonable addition of Speed/Accuracy to all of our Disposables (Beam Weapons & RL)

  • Grenade Speed Needs to be fixed (currently Capped at 9 secs regardless)
  • Add in a reasonable amount of Pistol Speed/Accuracy (Maybe +75 Pistol accuracy, +35 speed?)

"We are the guys skilled with all ranged weapons. They should let us act like it"


Defenses



  • +25 melee defense (Scattered about in the Profession)

  • +25 ranged defence (Ditto)

  • Add Melee Mitigation 1 to Commando (much like Smugglers)

  • Add Special Defenses just about equal to Pistoleer, as we operate mostly in their range of pistols and closer!

  • +40 Def vs Stun

  • +40 Def vs Blind

  • +40 Def vs Dizzy

  • +20 to +40 Def vs Posture Change

  • +50 Def vs Knockdown

  • Active defense - counterattack seems the most commandoish plus it might give more reason for a carb/Commando combo. Block would be good even though its only a 50% reduction.

Weapons



  • Powerups for our weapons

  • AP 3 on the HAR

  • Increase Hvy Weapon xp gainage to that of other elites

  • Give us looting rights for our Fire DoT

  • Consumables to go in the combat queue instead of bypasssing it. Currently you can have a number of specials of any description queued up, but if you hit a toolbarred grenade/HPBC etc you throw/fire it as your next combat action, and with no way to clear queued consumables.






Anything you would add, change, remove, etc?


Message Edited by StarNick on 02-22-2005 04:05 PM


Message Edited by StarNick on 02-22-2005 06:48 PM





wooo do i hope some of these get out in however why on the part of adding speed

Accuracy only to pistol? As said "We are the guys skilled with all ranged weapons. They should let us act like it" I think we should get bonus to pistols, carbines,rifle at a set amount. even tho i know it may be early to put down i hope that a "commando carbine type weapon idea is put down because it would add to the feeling of commando.



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Latenighter
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:32 pm
#43


StarNick wrote:
Update: Basically...was shot down, and crashed....looks like y'all will have to wait for the CU folks

Message Edited by StarNick on 02-22-200509:11 PM



That didn't take them long. Not even by the definition of "soon."

So we get told "no, you can't be useful in the new PvP TEF/GCW system until the CURB." And we have heard NOTHING about when the CURB will be and there are only 4.25 days left in FEBRUARY for the Alpha testing that was SOETyrant HIMSELF said was supposed to start in JANUARY. The communication channel is right back to were it was months ago. One way. And any tidbit that flows back to the community at large, turns out to be propaganda.

They could have delivered a BABY in the time that they have been stringing us along. I know Novock, "it's all marketing/PR." Another term for it is Kaadu Manure. I'm now doubting that a May target date is even possible given this track record.

Very disappointing. Poor showing, SOE.

Message Edited by Latenighter on 02-23-2005 06:33 PM



RIEN - Master Commando
"We are the guys skilled with all ranged weapons. They should let us act like it"
JoKen_Jash
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:34 pm
#44

My question: Should the flamethrower have any accuracy at all? And I'm not talking about missing every time, I'm talking about not needing to aim. At all. Ever. I mean, if you were to take a blow torch, and were in range of a target you wanted to hit, all you have to do is point the torch in that general direction and your target is extra crispy. Yet we miss all the time with our flamethrower.


/sigh


Anyway, what did you expect from the devs? The only profession they'd do this to is their "holy children" otherwise known as the despised jedi.


Well, let's just hope the CU doesn't take another year and a half to hit live...



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StarNick
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:39 pm
#45

Yeah it sucks I know...btw guys, I found out the hard way that the Devs officially dislike "CURB" and rather for us (at least correspondents) to refer to it as the CU...





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Latenighter
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:45 pm
#46



StarNick wrote:
As the devs put it...little or no combat additions will be taking place (direct that is....GCW apparently is a bit indirect) prior to the CU. Hence the shooting down of the list....it was worth a shot at least.



Uping Grenade / consumable stack sizes is a crafting addition, not a combat addition.

Grenade Speed and Thrown Weapon Accuracy are bugs, not combat additions.

Looting rights from the Fire DoT only affect LOOT and is a bug, not a combat addition. Have the Dev's give you a reason why CM Disease / Poison tick SHOULD count for loot rights and a DoT from at FT should not. That should be enlightening.

Please push these issues back on the Dev's as a shorter list and see if they might actually think about it long enough to form an opinion before saying "no."

This might be worth more of a "shot." Even though with our accuracy, you can get good odds that we'll miss.

Thanks Stern.



RIEN - Master Commando
"We are the guys skilled with all ranged weapons. They should let us act like it"
Latenighter
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:47 pm
#47



StarNick wrote:
Yeah it sucks I know...btw guys, I found out the hard way that the Devs officially dislike "CURB" and rather for us (at least correspondents) to refer to it as the CU...



Why should they get upset. They'll have to make up a new name for it in a few days so they can say it's not "late."



RIEN - Master Commando
"We are the guys skilled with all ranged weapons. They should let us act like it"
StarNick
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:50 pm
#48

If you notice...I did indeed leave some items off the list I sent in (btw the list I submitted to the Corr forums was exactly as I had it here)...primarily as they'll be addressed in the CU...


Originally this was to be quick fixes (focusing primarily on the mods)...but since that can't be done, there really isn't much of a chance to push for larger items of interest such as grenade stacks...


And I also must say...things have changed concerning the CU...Im pretty confident to say now that our Top 5will be totally addressed...and damn, Im just blown away. Playtesting is definately required for us to all understand everything (and see in fact we'll be as good as they say)....but the CU, may in fact be the holy grail we've been waiting for....



--Stern Synex-- --Master Commando-- --IDI Forces--
--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

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StarNick
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:53 pm
#49

As for the name, TH feels its disrespectful to the developers slaving away at it (blood, tears, sweat, all that stuff)....even tho I used the acronym affectionately (it sounds more wholesome than just CU)...I will respect that....plus, who knows? It may help in pushing for our issues...


As for -another- acronym....remember that old weird one Garvin used to say way back when? Now...I think the CURB acronym was better than that...almost sounded as if one was cursing in Mandalorian



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--Proud Commando of 42 Months-- --Last Commando Correspondent--

We fear no enemy...we are the few, the proud, and the brave. We are, Commando!

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TK-132
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:56 pm
#50

Well ya it's all about marketing. They don't care about Star Wars. All they care about is keeping people just enough so they don't hit that cancel button.

Do you really think the Devs really care that our day might suck cause we choose heavy weapons yet just about anyone or anything we face can mop the floor with us. I wouldn't say. I can actually see them just removing it. I mean there ain't that many of us. I mean who cares if a few players lose their profession. As long as most people are "ok" why bother fixing this profession called Commando.

I can just see them saying "Oh Commando is to hard to fix. Hmm lets just remove it despite the fact we've been working on this for about a year."

I mean look at smugglers.

The delays need to stop. No pretty GCW update is gonna make the game better. Cause at the end of the day Commando is still one of the most gimped professions. Commando shouldn't equal PvE profession. It should be a choice on how you like to play.

This is taking too long. I also remember them saying they had seperate teams. Is it that impossible to do two things at once like test the GCW and CU. And it would only be Alpha anyway. Something tells me the Devs plan to take their sweet time with this. However they seem to be very incapable of making good decisions themselves. So I really doubt letting them work on it more by themselves is better.

There are things that we have to test ourselves that would be better then let them dream up stuff. Look at what they did on TC. They jacked up all the costs of FP now making everything even harder to obtain if it goes live, which won't help the GCW anyway cause people will just say forget this. Imperial Bases are no where near as well defended as Rebel ones. When they tried to add bases they exceeded the FP cap.

I have lost all faith in their abilities. They have left us for weeks with just this tiny bit of information. And why do they always have to wait til friday? Why does it have to be part of this weekly special garbage?!

I' have never been more angry about this game ever! This isn't even taking account of the lag either. I'm givin them three weeks to start alpha. Enough of this little how long can we play them game. I haven't seen enough information at all to warrent the time they've taken to fix combat.

Honestly how would giving the HAR even medium armor piercing upset the game? Like all of a sudden it would become the ultimate PvP weapon. Pfft yeah right. And it wouldn't be that much better in PvE just actually useful. I only use the HAR when something big has low heat resists.
I'm tired of being nothing but a Dot supporter. Would Commandos even be used with out our flame Dots? The only thing I can think of is maybe a base take down template.

They still haven't fixed ranged mods in the village either which is something they should do right now, not wait forever and ever til the CU, instead of leaving ranged professions gimped now when they plan to fix them up.

This is just frustrating. I'd wonder how they would feel say if they played us for a day after having played say something like a Rifleman or TKM.



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RankorCity
Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:56 pm
#51


I am not exactly sure what you are trying to accomplish here...


These are the SAME issues and/or changes that we have been SCREAMING for...for...let me look at my calender.....Wow...A loooong time.


Lets assume for a second that someone says "Yes, we'll do this for you. Give me your list", or even (God forbid) has said "Give me a list, we'll make it happen to tide you over until CU". So, you hand them you list of...23 things...we want changed. There's no way in TH's butthole that they will approve all 23...So, they sit down and have a meeting(s) about it. And whittle down thru the 23 items on the wish list. History has already proven that they do ALOT of talking about things before they ever decide on a plan of action, much less enact said changes.


The more changes you ask, the more they have to "talk" about what to give us, and why, and what not to give us, and why.


Thats alot of talking.


Especially for these guys. Who love to talk about it.


But do nothing about it.


Why worry about the HAR?

Why worry about Thrown Weapon Accuracy?

Why worry about AP (at this stage)?


Why worry about things that will have to have MORE coding (ie more time) to be "fixed" when its all going to change in the CU anyway?


Why not focus on what works andmerely requires existing code to be tweaked, rather than finding the code of stuff that is broken and fixing it orintroducing NEWcode, that could possible break Commando more (bugs anyone?):

Flamer Speed/ Accuracy

Rocket Launcher/Heavy Acid Beam/Heavy Particle Beam/heavy Lightning Beamspeed

Rocket Launcher/Heavy Acid Beam/Heavy Particle Beam/heavy Lightning Beam accuracy

More melee defense

More ranged defense

More def vs knockdown


These are simple fixes. Fixes that could be put in live by tweaking existing live code. And not having to add def skillsvs whatever to skill boxes.


Hell, just ask them to up our accuracy....I can live with being slow (doesnt mean I like it). But I would much rather have accuracy fixed (personal viewpoint). Ifwe could get both fixed, hallaluja...


All I am saying is, handing them some overwhelming list of things we want done prior to CU is more than likely going to make them feel...well...overwhelmed.


I made a post about 8 days ago or so with 5 simple fixes, and it was largely ignored:

More flamer speed

More flamer accuracy

More ranged def

More melee def

More def vs kd


/shrug


If you are putting together a list to show them exactly how broken we are, then just make a link to the stickies above and spam the Correspondent forums with it. Our issues are the same issues just about since launch.


Nothing has changed.


Except other professions have GREATLY benefited in patch/publish fixes, crafters have gotten better at realizing what makes weapons great, etc. ALOT has happened to other professions either directly or indirectly that have made the Commando's problems that much more magnified. The single biggest "nerf" to the Commando profession was the player that is an Armorsmith getting better at what he or she does, and not in terms of skill boxes. It's better resources. It's 12 pt crafters. Its every PvP'er running around in 90 percent resist heat armor.


Personally, I would rather have you in the CU forums screaming about the one major sticking point that seems to be going on (from what I hear) that is holding us back. I am sick of wishes and wants.


ITS TIME TO SEE SOME **EDIT**ING ACTION OUT OF THE DEVS


Anyone remember the TH pacification statement "In view of the delay in the CU, we will be pushing out fixes for individual professions up to the CU"? Has anything been fixed? For any profession? Are we going to see our fixes the week before CU goes live?


Sorry... I just couldnt stay quiet any longer....


/flamesingle2 away


Message Edited by RankorCity on 02-23-2005 06:02 PM



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RankorCity
Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:02 pm
#52






StarNick wrote:

As for the name, TH feels its disrespectful to the developers slaving away at it (blood, tears, sweat, all that stuff)....even tho I used the acronym affectionately (it sounds more wholesome than just CU)...I will respect that....plus, who knows? It may help in pushing for our issues...


As for -another- acronym....remember that old weird one Garvin used to say way back when? Now...I think the CURB acronym was better than that...almost sounded as if one was cursing in Mandalorian






DISRESPECTFUL TO DEVS??? LMAO!!!!!!


GIVE ME A **EDIT**ING BREAK.


You want disrespectful?


How about ignoring and lying to the player base for well over a year....


That's disrespectful.





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