Commando Archive
Thread: Petition: Nix the 2.5x melee dmg for special heavy weapons NOW!
mmrl1 wrote:
/sign
If the range of heavy weapons was anywhere near that of riflemen the 2.5x dmg wouldnt be that bad but since commandos have to hit a LOT closer than riflemen "you know how us riflemen feel now" is no where near an acurate statement.
I am a rifleman and it is just as bad for us as you say it is for you. At least you guys do really nice damage. I also dont like that arguement that you have to be within melee to use specials because rifleman
a) cant out run anything
b) miss 90% of the time if anything moves
c) effectively cant use specials outside of 58m-64m range
d) get one-shotted by teleporting mobs
Look at the bright side... you can sit at 64m and prone and get off a couple of FT shots and then when the mob closes in you get better accuracy and can then kill it with flame cone. Riflemen do not have this luxioury.
But, I do feel for you guys because i have had to deal with this design flaw since day one. You guys will soon learn to cope with it with macros to switch to a launcher pistol and warningshot your target, then switch back to your more powerful weapons. Hopefully, for the sake of the game the devs change this to a positional multiplier (prone = 2.5x, kneel = 1.5x, stand = 1x) or just completely remove it.
Let all the commandos and riflemen unit to get rid of the dmg penalty
/sign
RomanaCorvus wrote:
Pathetic coward. Won't take the bet, huh? Wouldn't even face the question.
More flaming and ad hominem attacks? Do you ever stop?
And yes, I did actually read a handful of the posts. MOST were you being called a troll (with good reason). Not all of'em, though, not by a long shot.
Oh so you read them, but chose to be dishonest? 80 posts with "Caelrie" and "troll" doesn't mean 80 people called me a troll. Like I said, the majority were me quoting. And a good portion of the rest are repeat offenders restating their opinions. You'd just like to make it seem otherwise.
I've got nearly 2900 posts on these boards. With that many, you're bound to have a few enemies. Goes with the territory. I find it funny that you've gained a few with only 283 posts. I'd say the averages are on my side. Not to mention I have a Community Member title, which is not based on post-count. Someone somewhere apparently recognizes I have quite a bit of constructive input. Can you say the same? Doubt it.
More flaming and ad hominem attacks? Do you ever stop?
Sure. Once you stop being a coward and take the bet YOU offered. C'mon Caelrie, put up or shut up. You've been accused of being nothing but words before.... here's your chance to show otherwise.
Oh so you read them, but chose to be dishonest? 80 posts with "Caelrie" and "troll" doesn't mean 80 people called me a troll. Like I said, the majority were me quoting. And a good portion of the rest are repeat offenders restating their opinions. You'd just like to make it seem otherwise.
So sorry, wrong answer. Two different searches, as indicated in my post. One for the word troll in posts authored by you.... one for the words "caelrie troll" in posts made by anyone other then you. Now, it's possible that of the 80 some-odd who call you a troll there are indeed repeat offenders... I did not stop to tally whoevers name might have appeared more then once. But those 80 were very definitely NOT you quoting others. No, those are another 60 or so.
With that many, you're bound to have a few enemies. Goes with the territory. I find it funny that you've gained a few with only 283 posts.
Yeah. I'm an argumentative bitch. Funny thing is, with one tenth the post you have, I have two people calling me a troll. This is compared to you, of course. Pound for pound you seem to make far more enemies then I do.
Not to mention I have a Community Member title, which is not based on post-count.
Funny thing, over on the Bria boards the other day I was talking to TonPhannen.... who really is far and away the best poster on Bria. Oddly enough, he doesn't have the Community Member title... while a couple of people who seem questionable do.
Of course, all this is still besides the point. Two posts now with you not only not taking the bet your big mouth made, but refusing to even acknowledge you've been called on it. Want to go for three?
How are heavy weapons ranged when the max distance for flame specials is 16m? Please explain that to me? We still have training in unarmed which stil give us defensive mods, but those mods go right out the flippin window with this multiplier. I didnt mind the other changes as they mostly affect pvp, but any commando doing any pve is dead. I don't want to be "uber" or "l33t". I just want my class to work properly. If not oh well, I'll be playing final fantasy XI soon enough.......
Here's your quote, sweetie:
Do you call EVERYONE who dares disagree with you a "troll"? I bet I would.
You made a bet
I offered stakes.
You then ignored the bet you made. Through two posts. Then in your third, rather then take it, you choose to recant on it. I dunno, where I grew up someone's word was supposed to count for something. You make a deal, you keep it. You make a bet, you live up to your words.
It's big of you to admit you were mistaken. Still does nothing about about honoring the bet you wanted to make, or paying for loosing it.
Now, as for dishonesty.... here's the searches I ran.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/search?type=Message&advanced=true&submitted=true&body_all=troll&body_at_least=&body_without=&page_size=20&subject=&author=Caelrie&board_id=&ratingstart=&ratingend=
That's searching for all messages by you with the word troll in their body. 64 matches now. Note that most are you quoting others, but not all are. More then one of the dozen or so I browsed were you calling others trolls, or even grading their efforts on "the troll-o-meter".
Now, next up...
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/search?type=Message&advanced=true&body_all=troll+caelrie&body_at_least=&body_without=&subject=&author=&fuzzy=false&prefix=false&daterange=&submitted=true&board_id=&page_size=20&ratingstart=&ratingend=&openresponse=false&refine=false&showrange=false&startdate=&enddate=&sort_by=&page=5
That's searching for all messages that contain the text "caelrie troll". It brings up 94. Go through them, page by page. I did. Count all the ones authored by you. 19. Do the math. 94-19 = 73. I eyeballed it, and guessed 80. I suppose I should have been thorough enough to count them all by hand the first time, but there seemed little point.
Of these I only scanned, hmm, two dozen or so. Not one was a defense of you. Not one was quoting you using the word troll. I'm more then willing to guess there are those that do. I picked a random sampling and didn't see so much as a one, however.
Shall I count out exactly how many times you HAVE been called a troll and how many times YOU HAVE called someone else a troll? I can sit here at the search engine and pick out all the exact numbers, but really why?
You're a troll, Caelrie. My original point was that you have indeed been known to call others trolls, and that plenty of others have called you a troll. You responded by trying to hurl it all back on me and made a very ill-advised bet in the process. Rather then face the consequences of that bet you attempted to divert the conversation. Twice.
Then when you finally realized I wasn't about to let you, you simply backed out. I note you also backed out AFTER researching my post history and discovering you'd loose the bet.
So what exactly have we established? That I'm argumentative. And that you didn't have the guts to take the bet you offered.
1-1-0-0 CH, 2-1-0-0 Medic, 0-0-4-0 Ranger, 0-0-3-4 BH, and still...
/SIGN
/sign
2.5 and the delay to ALL actions is rediculous. If your a commando why even leave the citiesor try pvp? If you shoot your weapon once....you die.
This game is no longer fun. The mean spiritedness of it is now palpatable. I can not believe that the developers of this game are so incredibly short sighted. The commando is by all documentation internally and externally suppose to be the close contact ground control force. He is suppose to wield the heavy weapons. He was according to the internal discription of the class to be "avoided at all costs" ( Grenadeer discription in the game tree). Now not only does the AI not avoid the commando it immediately goes into melee mode because the commando is forced to use melee ranged specials with weapons which are no longer melee but "ranged". On top of this the commando has to endure the same kind of melee penalty of the true ranged operative the rifleman. Everything of this change smacks of vindictive behavior.
I once tried to stomach the rifleman tree and have been aware of the struggles of the class. I left that tree for the same reasons. What appears to be a poorly conceived class and a vindictive nerfing of a "Elite" class because it is too "powerful". Life isn't fair. There should be a real boon for the elite classes. As it stands now i am better off just being a master marksman and avoiding any and all confrontations with anything unless there is at least a dozen others. There is no benefit to any of the Elite class masteries. Hybids are the order of the day. It is wrong.
Just as the 90 lbs freshman kid should not pick a fight with the 225lbs senior linebacker the lower level classes should not pick a fight with the masters of the elite classes. It isn't suppose to be fair. It just is suppose to be the way it is. You work for it you deserve to be what the class is and the top of it as well.
Instead we have this insepid and constant cry to nerf. The game has lost it's luster and with it my interest.
Two thoughts on the issue:
1) Why remove the melee bonus we get AND add the damage penalty? It seems since we're close range fighters that we should either do a bonus damage to ranged weapon wielders and take more damage. Or do no bonus damage and take no bonus damage.
2) I've always thought the melee bonus damage was a rather stupid idea. You're not going to hit someone harder because they're wielding a more cumbersum weapon. If anything melees should get an accuracy bonus. That is the penalty of a cumbersum weapon, its harder to DODGE a melee attack, not you're going to break 5 teeth instead of1 if you get hit. Give melee users a 25% accuracy bonus against carbines and 50% against flame throwers & rifles(maybe 50%/75% if those aren't high enough).
RomanaCorvus wrote:
Here's your quote, sweetie:
Do you call EVERYONE who dares disagree with you a "troll"? I bet I would.
That wasn't what I was asking for a quote about and you know it.
Shall I count out exactly how many times you HAVE been called a troll and how many times YOU HAVE called someone else a troll? I can sit here at the search engine and pick out all the exact numbers, but really why?
No need,I did it for you. And in doing so proved how dishonest you are. And, that you have a higher rate of being called a troll than I do. Interesting, eh? I notice this latest flame from you skips over all that 
That you're a liar.
So what exactly have we established? That I'm argumentative. And that you didn't have the guts to take the bet you offered.