Commando Archive
Thread: Keep me Updated about AoE
StarNick
Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:46 pm
#40
Curious...
I took a look at how my Proton Rifle was doing, wasn't able to get AoE even when mobs were nearly ontop of each other. Be sure to put timestamp on and review your combat spam after testing, you might be mistaking AoE for regular old aggro (if you're close enough buddies around your target will spot you and aggro).
I took a look at how my Proton Rifle was doing, wasn't able to get AoE even when mobs were nearly ontop of each other. Be sure to put timestamp on and review your combat spam after testing, you might be mistaking AoE for regular old aggro (if you're close enough buddies around your target will spot you and aggro).
Ternque01
Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:19 pm
#41
I know for a fact that the post-pub-19 Proton Rifles are NOT AoE. Maybe the post-pub-20 ones are AoE again...
On an unrelated note, I wonder if I should change my CM4000/Pist0404/Comm0403/M.Smuggler template to CM4000/M.Comm/M.Smuggler again.... hmmmm. Stopping Shot seems kinda like a weak concussion shot, but then again it doesn't break on damage.... and my damage would be better... hmmmm
LecheHombre
Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:30 pm
#42
I've got timestamp and verbose combat spam turned on. My proton rifle is one of the old ones, pre-publish 19 or whenever the first change on them was. In other words I had it when they still "clicked" but didn't shoot, heh heh.
To clarify my statement that it is AoE, I should note that it is AoE with apparently the same rules as the LBC, but it doesn't have any elemental damage. So, the primary target gets full damage, while everything in a 6m radius (actually, it seems to me that the radius is at least a little larger than 6m for both the LBC and PR) gets 1 energy damage.
I think that my perspective, and probably the same view is held by most commandos, is that:
A higher damage, single-target Proton Rifle > current damage range, full-6m-AoE Proton Rifle > what we've got now.
I hope the devs see it that way too, but who knows, lol.
To clarify my statement that it is AoE, I should note that it is AoE with apparently the same rules as the LBC, but it doesn't have any elemental damage. So, the primary target gets full damage, while everything in a 6m radius (actually, it seems to me that the radius is at least a little larger than 6m for both the LBC and PR) gets 1 energy damage.
I think that my perspective, and probably the same view is held by most commandos, is that:
A higher damage, single-target Proton Rifle > current damage range, full-6m-AoE Proton Rifle > what we've got now.
I hope the devs see it that way too, but who knows, lol.
StarNick
Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:58 pm
#43
Their armour resisted it.
I finally got a PFT made today...not a single bit of AoE thats worth saying anything about. This fix may have never even gone in for all we know...but since some folks have been getting it to work then to only lose it (and not during server resets it seems) then something's working in the code apparently, but not for very long heh.
I finally got a PFT made today...not a single bit of AoE thats worth saying anything about. This fix may have never even gone in for all we know...but since some folks have been getting it to work then to only lose it (and not during server resets it seems) then something's working in the code apparently, but not for very long heh.
Raptor2k1
Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:39 pm
#44
You know, considering how important this is supposed to be to commando (according to what they've said anyways), I find it a bit disconcerting that the devs have yet to make even let out a peep on this aside from, "well, it should be working..." 
I'm beginning to get rather miffed that ever since the CU the devs have said next to zip about anything. There was all that public communication, then zip. It makes no sense at all. Think they're restruturing the team again or something?
Anyways, since it's workingness seems to bea time-based thing, maybe it's something internal testing wont pick up, rather something that's tied to Live servers maybe?
StarNick
Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:32 pm
#45
Theres a LOT of communication happening on the general community boards, so much that its sorta hard to keep up with dev tracker for the last 2 days...not all of it is insightful, but there is apparently some communication frenzy happening and some things are getting acknowledged and looked at.
I'd recomend you guys go and ask commando stuff there big time, we might get some answers.
I'd recomend you guys go and ask commando stuff there big time, we might get some answers.
cooperly
Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:53 am
#46
On kauri, I got aoe working pretty well with my ft, my pft, my har, hpbc, mylbc.That's true for an other pal onkauri. I'll edit my post with my log combat.
In aakuan cave with lbc and /ranged shot
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Ybrathoi Ogico 1561 pts
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Iboseno Oawiem 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly misses
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Idisskovo Osskaco 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 55 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Ybrathoi Ogico hits Cooperly 70 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly Cooperly has caused Ocem Ogialist to take 392 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Ybrathoi Ogico 1561 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Iboseno Oawiem 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Ixosti 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 53 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 67 pts
[Combat] 15:19:29 Ixosti hits Cooperly 74 pts
[Combat] 15:19:30 Idisskovo Osskaco has caused Cooperly Cooperly to take 9 points of bleeding damage.
[Combat] 15:19:30 You start to bleed!
[Combat] 15:19:30 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 27 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits corpse of Ybrathoi Ogico 1099 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits Ixosti 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits Idisskovo Osskaco 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 An Aa'kuan warder misses
[Combat] 15:19:31 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 50 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 An Aa'kuan warder misses
[Combat] 15:19:32 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 60 pts
[Combat] 15:19:33 That is not a valid target.
[Combat] 15:19:34 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 58 pts
[Combat] 15:19:34 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 53 pts
[Combat] 15:19:34 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 55 pts
[Combat] 15:19:34 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 62 pts
[Combat] 15:19:35 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 45 pts
[Combat] 15:19:35 That is not a valid target.
[Combat] 15:19:35 That is not a valid target.
[Combat] 15:19:35 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 55 pts
[Combat] 15:19:37 Iboseno Oawiem has caused Cooperly Cooperly to take 9 points of bleeding damage.
[Combat] 15:19:37 You have sustained more bleeding!
[Combat] 15:19:37 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 27 pts
[Combat] 15:19:37 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 45 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 50 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 56 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly Cooperly has caused Idisskovo Osskaco to take 386 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 1099 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Ixosti 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Idisskovo Osskaco 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Iboseno Oawiem 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Ixosti misses
[Combat] 15:19:39 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 37 pts
[Combat] 15:19:39 Cooperly Cooperly has caused Ocem Ogialist to take 392 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:19:39 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 51 pts
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Iboseno Oawiem 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly misses
[Combat] 15:19:25 Cooperly hits Idisskovo Osskaco 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 55 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Ybrathoi Ogico hits Cooperly 70 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly Cooperly has caused Ocem Ogialist to take 392 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Ybrathoi Ogico 1561 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Iboseno Oawiem 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Cooperly hits Ixosti 674 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 53 pts
[Combat] 15:19:28 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 67 pts
[Combat] 15:19:29 Ixosti hits Cooperly 74 pts
[Combat] 15:19:30 Idisskovo Osskaco has caused Cooperly Cooperly to take 9 points of bleeding damage.
[Combat] 15:19:30 You start to bleed!
[Combat] 15:19:30 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 27 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits corpse of Ybrathoi Ogico 1099 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits Ixosti 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 Cooperly hits Idisskovo Osskaco 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 An Aa'kuan warder misses
[Combat] 15:19:31 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 50 pts
[Combat] 15:19:31 An Aa'kuan warder misses
[Combat] 15:19:32 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 60 pts
[Combat] 15:19:33 That is not a valid target.
[Combat] 15:19:34 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 58 pts
[Combat] 15:19:34 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 53 pts
[Combat] 15:19:34 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 55 pts
[Combat] 15:19:34 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 62 pts
[Combat] 15:19:35 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 45 pts
[Combat] 15:19:35 That is not a valid target.
[Combat] 15:19:35 That is not a valid target.
[Combat] 15:19:35 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 55 pts
[Combat] 15:19:37 Iboseno Oawiem has caused Cooperly Cooperly to take 9 points of bleeding damage.
[Combat] 15:19:37 You have sustained more bleeding!
[Combat] 15:19:37 Iboseno Oawiem hits Cooperly 27 pts
[Combat] 15:19:37 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 45 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Idisskovo Osskaco hits Cooperly 50 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Ocem Ogialist hits Cooperly 56 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly Cooperly has caused Idisskovo Osskaco to take 386 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 1099 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Ocem Ogialist 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Ixosti 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Idisskovo Osskaco 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits Iboseno Oawiem 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Cooperly hits an Aa'kuan warder 489 pts
[Combat] 15:19:38 Ixosti misses
[Combat] 15:19:39 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 37 pts
[Combat] 15:19:39 Cooperly Cooperly has caused Ocem Ogialist to take 392 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:19:39 An Aa'kuan warder hits Cooperly 51 pts
On endor also with ranged shot :
Combat] 15:39:58 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:39:58 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 93 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 802 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg lair 639 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 118 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 102 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 80 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 122 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 567 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 256 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 256 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg lair 467 pts
[Combat] 15:40:02 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 107 pts
[Combat] 15:40:02 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:40:02 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 125 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 126 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly Cooperly has caused a crimson blurrg to take 243 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 802 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg lair 639 pts
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 125 pts
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 116 pts
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 111 pts
[Combat] 15:40:06 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 110 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 93 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 802 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:39:58 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg lair 639 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 118 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 102 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 80 pts
[Combat] 15:40:00 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 122 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 567 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 256 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 256 pts
[Combat] 15:40:01 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg lair 467 pts
[Combat] 15:40:02 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 107 pts
[Combat] 15:40:02 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:40:02 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 125 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 126 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly Cooperly has caused a crimson blurrg to take 243 points of fire damage.
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 802 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg 350 pts
[Combat] 15:40:03 Cooperly hits a crimson blurrg lair 639 pts
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 125 pts
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 116 pts
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg misses
[Combat] 15:40:05 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 111 pts
[Combat] 15:40:06 A crimson blurrg hits Cooperly 110 pts
I have tried now and still working. Note time is in France !!
It worked for 9 hours then I got only elemental damage in zone...
LBC
serial number : (t1qvcfh8)
Spped 2.96
M Speed 1.78
Damage 388 - 807
Element Damage : 200
Accuracy Bonus : 0
Wound : 10.75 %
EDPS 269.6
MDPS 448.25
SAc 122
Cooperly
Message Edited by cooperly on 07-29-2005 02:22 AM
Message Edited by cooperly on 07-29-2005 09:40 AM
StarNick
Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:56 pm
#47
LBC = 43-44% aoe now? Weird, was that the same percentage you were able to get on the other weaps too?
Post-publish or pre-publish?
AoE is starting to really irk me now...it seems it cant be fixed, and when it does work...its either 100% or 44% AoE, which seems to like loop between different weapons =/
Post-publish or pre-publish?
AoE is starting to really irk me now...it seems it cant be fixed, and when it does work...its either 100% or 44% AoE, which seems to like loop between different weapons =/
LecheHombre
Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:53 pm
#48
That looks quite a bit like the first hit is the selected target, which is getting energy + elemental damage, and the adjacent targets are getting hit for elemental only -- but I could be wrong. Would be helpful to see the same combat log with verbose combat spam turned on, and a test with a PFT or other weapon besides the LBC. The LBC can look pretty good in combat spam, because they can actually have a pretty high elemental portion.
--Edit--
I've just looked at my own combat spam with an LBC, and I've realized that that would be some pretty hefty elemental damage to account for those numbers alone.
In my test, I hit the primary target for 816 (647 energy and 169 elemental), and all following hits were for 170 (1 energy and 169 elemental). So, maybe there actually was some energy applied to the full AoE in that test!
--Edit--
I've just looked at my own combat spam with an LBC, and I've realized that that would be some pretty hefty elemental damage to account for those numbers alone.
In my test, I hit the primary target for 816 (647 energy and 169 elemental), and all following hits were for 170 (1 energy and 169 elemental). So, maybe there actually was some energy applied to the full AoE in that test!
Message Edited by LecheHombre on 07-28-2005 08:13 PM
XxXoldsaltXxX
Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:21 am
#49
100 aoe damage?
thats their fix?
brilliant soe, you officially fail at games.
thats their fix?
brilliant soe, you officially fail at games.
StarNick
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:49 am
#50
No...unless if it didn't make it into the publish, the fix was "should be working". And when it was, it seemed most of our weapons were 40-50% AoE, with LBC 100%. Then it would break again, and other folks would see 40% on the LBC and 100% on the PFT...then it broke some more.
I had a post-publish FT built, and have yet gotten it to work
I had a post-publish FT built, and have yet gotten it to work
Anckel
Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:21 am
#51
So I logged in today just after the server reset and I seem to be doing AoE damage.
I tested it out and my LBC is doing 100% and PFT is around 40% damage to enemies within the aoe of the target.
I noticed something was strange when I was doing this quest and small groups of weak NPCs I was fighting with my LBC were all dying at once when I finished off the first target.
Is it working now? Could it just be for a short while after a server reset that it works?
I tested it out and my LBC is doing 100% and PFT is around 40% damage to enemies within the aoe of the target.
I noticed something was strange when I was doing this quest and small groups of weak NPCs I was fighting with my LBC were all dying at once when I finished off the first target.
Is it working now? Could it just be for a short while after a server reset that it works?
Anckel
Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:05 am
#52
I left the planet where I experienced proper AoE damage andnow it's back to 1 point.
Has this ever been seen before? ThatAoE actually works but only when the server is reset or only on your char's first planet after a server reset, or something like that?
btw - in my previous post, the 100% and 40% I refer to is of base damage, not elemental damage of course (which seems to always be 100%, even when base AoE is 1 point)