Commando Archive
Thread: Jedi Grind
Iron-Monkey
Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:23 am
#40
My responses in red, not that I am trying to insult this poster, not at all. Just presenting a prideful but disgruntled Commando's point of view.
AlecYoung wrote:
I know there is not a lot of love here for jedi grinders, but I dont think they are lame or mercenary or causing less fun for anyone else.
Well, after reading some of the posts on the FS forums, it seems quite the intent to make Commando "less fun".
If there is a path that is easier to becoming something you want....do you not have the right to CHOSE that path.
Yep, people can choose whatever path they like, except in this game when a profession garners "too much" attention something bad happens to it...ask the CHs, ask other professions that got The Nerf Bat™.
Is it not your right to pick the parts of all of the professions to make your game enjoyable?
The ultimate PvP brawler has parts of each brawler prof mixed in, I certainly would not complain if someone wanted me to teach them a swordsman tree just so they could be kick ass brawlers. They have to sacrifice all of their points to combat to be good at PvP that is their choice.
Yes, but these folks aren't using the Grenade skills for PvP, they are more or less using them for grinding, then leaving. Couple that with the fact that since Grenades are at such a limited resources, the extra demand has made it hard for Commandos who use grenades for "skill" as opposed to "grinding" to find them.
As for the jedi grinders they have discovered the only weapon that provides combat xp directly, are you not flattered that the fastest path to jedi is to be a commando?
Why should someone elses choices make you look bad, they are the ones taking short cuts and finding ways to get to where they want to be faster.
I think Commandos here have a sense of pride and fear. Pride in that they (we) are the few that have stuck with this incredibly fun profession and have worked very hard to try to make it better, but fear that if more Jedi grinders breeze in and through, they will leave nothing butnerf cries in their wake. The concept of another nerf to this profession is a fuc*ing nightmare for most on this forum.
I dont get pissed of with people asking me dumb questions, it's all part of the interactive fun.
Tlk
Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:26 pm
#41
Come now, taking commando to get combat expereince is nothing new. Come on vets, come out and remind the newish people that before jedi, people were doing the exact same thing to get to BH, and all those elite combat experience trees. Not to mention it use to eb even easier (standing inside the lair to use them and nothing would attack you while inside).
By the way, was jedi way before publish 9. So I never used it. If I had to do it over, I still wouldn't use it. Much faster and more efficient to be a master fencer/pistoleer and one more elite profession to get: 900k, 900k, 900k, 300k exp caps.
Iron-Monkey
Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:11 am
#42
/thumbsup
glorydragon wrote:
Anyway, let me reiterate. There are people who use this prof insted of playing it. That's not going to change untill they get us nerfed. They will get us nerfed. There is nothing we can do about it exept try to dictate the means of the nerf we will receive. I think it would be best if they just added anuther xp type for grenades. Maybe we could call it... grenade xp!... and give it normal conversion rates. seems the most senceible.
Iron-Monkey
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:45 pm
#43
AlecYoung wrote:
I know there is not a lot of love here for jedi grinders, but I dont think they are lame or mercenary or causing less fun for anyone else.
If there is a path that is easier to becoming something you want....do you not have the right to CHOSE that path.
Is it not your right to pick the parts of all of the professions to make your game enjoyable?
If you want proof that Jedi or FS grinders can bring unwanted attention to a profession take a look at what is happening to the smugglers:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=152674#M152674
They are about to lose any hope of keeping Feign Death useful at all. I (and other Commandos) worry that more unwanted attention to our already beaten down profession could end up with another clocking with the Nerf Bat™.
I used to think Commandos and Smugglers were kind of in the same boat in terms of nerfness, but I am pretty sure this put them back in the lead again.
Warmaker01
Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:20 pm
#44
Iron-Monkey wrote:/thumbsup
glorydragon wrote:Anyway, let me reiterate. There are people who use this prof insted of playing it. That's not going to change untill they get us nerfed. They will get us nerfed. There is nothing we can do about it exept try to dictate the means of the nerf we will receive. I think it would be best if they just added anuther xp type for grenades. Maybe we could call it... grenade xp!... and give it normal conversion rates. seems the most senceible.
Actually, why should we COMMANDOS have to alter our profession for the sake of Jedi FS grinding?
Change the FS grinding method. In light of what's happened, it feels like the next type of attention Commando will be getting is some sort of /Nerfhit3
Message Edited by Warmaker01 on 02-18-2005 07:21 PM
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed." 
glorydragon
Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:29 pm
#45
changing our xp would be considered a nerf, but it is a very acceptable one imho. I think that the comba xp should have a higher exchange rate because for other profs it's at a 1/10th rate. The only problem is us. that we can get it anuther way. if that was fixed that would be the best solution.
Warmaker01
Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:03 am
#46
I'm too hardline for even that compromise.
A Nerf is a Nerf, despite all the flowers and candy they try to put around it!
A Nerf is a Nerf, despite all the flowers and candy they try to put around it!
glorydragon
Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:43 pm
#47
In this case, I would consider this an improvement.
Even though I know some people think any change is bad,
Even though I know some people think any change is bad,
rahzaar
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:36 pm
#48
Just to warn you guys...I know you mentioned that you don't believe your profession should be changed to facilitate the FS and Jedi grinders...sorry, guys...we thought the same thing...and look what happened to the Smugglers. Tighten up your community and get ready to go toe to toe with the devs, and let what happened to us be a learning tool and a warning post for you guys.
Good luck to the commandos...now that Smuggler keeps getting the boot, I may become one of you guys.
Xal Rahzaar
Master Smuggler,
Kett
Aeiden
Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:35 am
#49
Just want to say one thing....all you guys are taking this way to seriously, I agree with AlecYoung 100%--its just a game and if you feel that becoming commando in order to use grenades to get combat xp fast and grind jediwill make your game more enjoyable then go ahead, go for it--have fun....
Xarkon
Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:26 am
#50
You mean that there's a reason to go commando that isn't involved with getting exp for Jedi? *boggle* Wow, that's a new thought. 
UndaKuva
Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:12 pm
#51
Fury137 wrote:
I'm just wondering, how many people picked up commando just to use grenades on the jedi grind?
i did.
had to drop swordsman and go down to doc 0440. 
now i have 1 skill point left and just learned that if i go master TK also i will get an xp bonus on each kill. so now it looks like i'll end up TKM, commando 4000, and medic 0400
and to think that i thought master doc/ master sword was a good xp grinding template.
anyhow, i am now 12 boxes from padawan. imp detonators costs so freakin much though!
Message Edited by UndaKuva on 02-22-2005 03:17 PM
Caramina
Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:31 am
#52
I picked it up for the grind... i must admit, but i think its really cool and so now im going for master!!!