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please master synn if all profession will be levelled, the game will be linear, commando it's done fordestroy all but in short combat, so don't nerf nothing and give use the 2,5 melee defense point plz.

would also like to add, that, if you're stupid enough to let us get close enough to do our specials in which other ranged professions can just spam from any distance, then don't whine, it's your fault...I hate it when people complain after they were stupid enough to stand still while a commando is charging at you full speed guns blazin' and does a limited but Powerful special.

Oh, and no, this profession isn't the one that misses the most, my god it's obvious you never been a pikeman before (not in a rant way).....I have been to more than both these worlds, but Pikeman by far misses the most.....at least ONE of ourCommandoweapons have "+" next to some of their range modifiers, Pikeman's ONLY elite weapon, the Vibro Lance,has a -35ish Range modifier for ALL ranges, aaaand, the Vibro Lance isn't the best weapon, it has lower stats (Except the range Modifier, it's actually higher compared to the best weapon) than the Long Vibro Axe, which is exactly-55 to ALL range modifiers, which is a Polearm level 3 in brawler weapon, because we don't have any certs whatsoever in Polearm 4.

LOL, just some insight, =0). Have a nice day...

Oh, and good job Ivoni, some facts that need to get out to professions who haven't tried playing Commando.

I believe in the thought that, you should never point fingers and nerf call other professions unless you have actually tried and know the facts yourself. Of course, some people don't have as much time to play =0).

Good work everyone on all the stats/info.

Just a few suggestions:

Rather than have everyone point-blank when they shoot you, do it at the weapons best and worst effective range. Like a T-21 may miss a lot point-blank, do it at 60m or whatever it's sweet spot is, and he mayrarely miss if he's a Master Rifleman and you both stand still.

Same with the pistol test, point blank is what pistols are supposed to be good at. Well some pistols are point blank and others slightly back some. Stand at 64m and try with a pistol. Now FWG5's are the most accurate pistol, so that would help a lot with accuracy. I say try it with a DX2.

Remember though, the difference between just a Master Pistoleer and a Master Pistoleer with BH Pistol 4 is big. With BH Pistol 4, he gains +50 to both Pistol Speed and Pistol Accuracy. The BH also has Master Marksman, which adds +10accuracy and +5 speed. So if the Pistoleer doesn't have Master Marksman the BH Pistol 4 player with Master Pistoleer will have a total of +55 speed and +60 accuracy compared to "just" a Master Pistoleer.

At 64m with a DX2, a Master Pistoleer might not fair as well as some may think. Although luck does play a part as well.

I'm especially interested with the Commando weapons like the Acid Rifle missing so much. Is it that bad at point blank or is it just not at it's best effective range?

"The test were made with and without armor. It is all int lines, prior to the start of a new testing series: Stance, distance, moving, armor, all there you just have to look for it. And without armor: 5 seconds."

I guess I should go back and re-read that or take a reading comp class. My apologies and thank you for the test.

MasterSynn you obviously read this thread now if you haven't aleady post it in the corrospondents forum to help argue your position against the other correspondents.

SalDrake:

Apology gleefully accepted =)

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Skrymir wrote:

Heh I like how you alljust brush aside flame dot when that it always the biggest complaint made about commandos being overpowered. Jump in water? Sure, try that in tatooine or anywherewater is not close by. Its also nice that it gives health wounds each time it ticks, unlike any otherweapon's bleeds. Nevermind thata master commando can stack 4 of them that ignore all armor and heat resists.

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We have not brushed this aside. Many commandos have come forward and asked for something to be added to the game to enable people to stop the flame DOT in PvP. Since so many commandos recognized this problem and listened to complaints from people like you, I posted the following in the Correspondent Forum for the DEVs to read:

Apparently, the DOT cannot be "healed" during combat, unless the recipient runs into water. The commandos feel that there should be an in-game device which can be crafted which would stop the DOTs effects. Currently, Combat Medics can make poison packs to stop the poison DOT. Create something in the game thatcan be used against the flame DOT and other players in PvP will be happier. Even though PvP is a relatively small part of the game, it seems to generate an inordinate amount of complaints. Perhaps this will help.

All profession issues are to be posted in the Correspondent Forum. Since this issue has been posted there, by me, please recognize that we're doing what we can to correct this issue.

"UnnamedMasterDoc uses "Bucket 'O' Water on you"

"you aren't burning so much anymore"

"UnnamedMasterDoc uses "Bucket 'O' Water on you"

"you aren't burning so much anymore"

"UnnamedMasterDoc uses "Bucket 'O' Water on you"

"you stop burning"

The carbeener i fought before averaged 700+ a hit with crippling shot ... no misses even though I have TKA also... and that was beforeshe got Kryat Enhanced. I shudder to think what it is now.

Also hte solution to front loaded damage is *drum roll* ARMOR! I didn't even do half the life bar on the carbeener per hit with flame2vs. composite. And I was dead every time before the first burn even set in.

All that from a recent fight just 2 nights ago. If you enter PvP without armor your life expectancy, no mater what class you are, is much reduced. If you don't believe me go buy a decent set and try it. You will start wearing it every PvP session.

I use /aim before my specials and still miss 1/5 of the time... may not seem like much but when you count on that front loaded damage in a duel to even have a chance, that miss rate becomes some what more significant.

Aasch Housewares

"Groovy."

Saldrake wrote:

Try romoving your armor and see how long it'll take the rifleman, Inquisitor. Ivoni's test were without armor. Not to mention that it damages your armor pointlessly.

The test were made with and without armor. It is all int lines, prior to the start of a new testing series: Stance, distance, moving, armor, all there you just have to look for it. And without armor: 5 seconds.

Skrymir wrote:

why is the rifleman in that test using dlt20a and not laser rifle or t-21? Those are their big damage weapons if I remember right.

You remember right, but ask a rifleman what a T21 does to your mind pool. A DLT20a allows you to use FlushingShot2 and equivalents throughout the entire attack, even if it takes about 4 hrs to win. A T21 will get you out of the game in 10 sweconds by draining your mind. And who cares about the Damage of a T21, when a DLT20a can incap you in 8 seconds if you wear full composite. A commando can't even close in in 8 seconds, especially if one of those 8 shots is a Starleshot2.

And, btw skyrmir, Froant loded damage combined with a high delay and a horrible miss chance is not as good a trick as you may hope. trust me, the only reason i almost never lost a PvP fight was my Bloodseeker mite, not my Flamesingle2. Without the bloodseeker mite i'd be dead a hundred times over. So, basically, it was me as a CH that won the fights, not as a commando.

Dogg

heres wat some one asked for lol

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[Combat] 21:15:30 Chat logging ON
[Combat] 21:15:30 Current chat log file size: 404 KB
[Spatial] 21:15:33 Teares Naltic says, "Teares-Architect stay"
[Spatial] 21:15:38 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 21:15:38 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 21:15:38 Spardok uses Charging Wampa on you for 482 points of damage!
[Spatial] 21:15:39 You feel dizzy!
[Combat] 21:15:39 You feel dizzy!
[Spatial] 21:15:39 You have been incapacitated by Spardok.
[Combat] 21:15:39 You have been incapacitated by Spardok.
[Combat] 21:15:39 Spardok uses Spitting Rawl on you for 950 points of damage!
[Spatial] 21:15:47 Spardok heals you for 897 health and 133 action damage.
[Combat] 21:15:47 Spardok heals you for 897 health and 133 action damage.
[Spatial] 21:15:47 You stand up.
[Combat] 21:15:47 You stand up.
[Spatial] 21:15:49 You reply to spardok, 'dam lol'.
[Combat] 21:15:49 You reply to spardok, 'dam lol'.
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thats flamer equiped

and hers fight with pistol equiped

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[Spatial] 21:14:08 Spardok says, "now?"
[Spatial] 21:14:11 Daniel-Judson LeonHeart says, "ya"
[Spatial] 21:14:13 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 21:14:13 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 21:14:13 Spardok uses Charging Wampa on you for 240 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:14:14 Spardok uses Spitting Rawl on you for 488 points of damage!
[Spatial] 21:14:14 Teares Naltic says, "Teares-Architect stay"
[Spatial] 21:14:14 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 21:14:14 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 21:14:15 Spardok swings at you and hits for 119 points of damage.
[Spatial] 21:14:16 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 21:14:16 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 21:14:16 Spardok uses Spitting Rawl on you for 487 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:14:17 Spardok swings at you and hits for 121 points of damage.
[Spatial] 21:14:18 You have been incapacitated by Spardok.
[Combat] 21:14:18 You have been incapacitated by Spardok.
[Combat] 21:14:18 Spardok uses Spitting Rawl on you for 486 points of damage!
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i dont no wat to say but just dont try to flame a tk lol

thank you ivoni, at least some of the moronic nerfherders got some hard evidence of what many of the commandos have been talking about...

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Ivoni wrote:
Ok. I am officially sick of the OMG commando’s are sooo powerful posts.

So here are hard core in game logs. I was personally shot by all ranged combatant masters with the exception of the LLC master, the BH carbine master, and a Master Rifleman.

In testing. I was unarmored and weaponless and at point blank, unless otherwise noted.

Also, both I and shooter were immobile.

First up. Me getting shot by a Master Smuggler

[Spatial] 13:58:41 Heami Tinox says, "Last Ditch with 81-166 1.6 pistol"
[Combat] 13:58:58 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 356 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:03 Heami Tinox's Last Ditch Attack misses you.
[Combat] 13:59:07 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 347 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:07 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:12 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 266 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:12 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:16 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 213 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:20 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 359 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:21 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:25 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 353 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:25 You're stunned!
[Combat] 13:59:29 Heami Tinox uses Last Ditch Attack on you for 357 points of damage!
[Combat] 13:59:29 You have been incapacitated by Heami Tinox.

So. A master smuggler did 2251 dmg in 31 seconds with one miss. Shooting every 4 seconds using last ditch.

Next up. Master Carbinier

[Combat] 14:16:39 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 364 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:42 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 132 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:46 You have been knocked down.
[Combat] 14:16:46 Syamnad Syamnad uses Charge Shot on you for 93 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:49 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and hits for 44 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:16:50 You stand up.
[Combat] 14:16:50 You're stunned!
[Combat] 14:16:50 Syamnad Syamnad uses Wide Wild Shot on you for 92 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:54 You start to bleed!
[Combat] 14:16:54 You have been forced to kneeling.
[Combat] 14:16:54 Syamnad Syamnad uses Debilitating Shot on you for 228 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:16:54 You kneel.
[Combat] 14:16:56 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:16:59 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and hits for 42 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:17:01 You stand up.
[Combat] 14:17:01 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 407 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:17:04 Syamnad Syamnad uses Charge Shot on you for 91 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:17:07 Syamnad Syamnad shoots at you and hits for 68 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:17:09 Syamnad Syamnad uses Crippling Shot on you for 403 points of damage!
[Combat] 14:17:09 You have been incapacitated by Syamnad Syamnad.
[Spatial] 14:18:15 You reply to Syamnad, 'What was stat on your gun anyways?'.
[Combat] 14:18:31 Syamnad tells you, '311 max dmg and 3.5 spd'.

So a Master Carbinier did 1964 dmg in 30 seconds with 1 miss. Specials varied from 1 to 4 seconds.

Master Pistoleer

[Combat] 15:10:40 Irzuro Skolopi accepts your challenge.
[Combat] 15:10:43 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 579 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:10:44 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 519 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:10:45 Irzuro Skolopi uses Stopping Shot on you for 445 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:10:45 You have been incapacitated by Irzuro Skolopi.

So, a Master Pistoleer did 1543 in, ahem, three seconds with zero misses. 1 second between specials.

Master Bounty Hunter pistol tree
[Combat] 15:12:04 Irzuro Skolopi accepts your challenge.
[Combat] 15:12:05 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 285 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:05 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 15:12:06 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 322 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:06 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 235 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:07 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 15:12:07 Irzuro Skolopi uses Eye Shot on you for 341 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:12:07 You have been incapacitated by Irzuro Skolopi.

So, a Bounty Hunter pistol treed does – 1183 in, ahem, three seconds with zero misses. 1 second between specials


Master Commando - flamethrower
[Combat] 14:40:17 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:20 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:23 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:26 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 370 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:29 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 303 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:32 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 298 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:35 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] 14:40:38 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 361 points of damage.
[Combat] 14:40:41 talnic mar'koth shoots at you and hits for 400 points of damage.
[Spatial] 14:40:41 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.
[Spatial] 14:40:55 You reply to Syamnad, 'Thanks. What was stat on your flame?'
[Spatial] 14:18:15 Talnic Mar'Koth tells you, '561-1112 5.6 speed'

So, a Master Commando without his special, 1732 in 24 seconds with FOUR misses. 3 seconds a shot.

Master Commando - flamesingle2
[Combat] 15:14:50 talnic mar'koth uses a flamethrower to spray concentrated fire on you for 1284 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:14:50 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with the flamethrower special can do 1284 in one second. 8 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - proton grenade
[Combat] 15:18:00 talnic mar'koth uses a proton grenade on you for 686 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:18:11 talnic mar'koth uses a proton grenade on you for 457 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:18:11 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.
[Spatial] 15:19:20 Talnic tells you, 'that was 1503 3115 5.6 protons'.

So, a Master Commando with proton grenades can do 1143 in 11 seconds. 11 seconds between tosses.

Master Commando - 25m - Acid Beam Cannon
[Combat] 15:20:25 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:20:29 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:20:32 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 903 points of damage, but you counterattack!
[Combat] 15:20:44 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 668 points of damage, but you counterattack!
[Combat] 15:20:48 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 671 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:20:51 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 471 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:20:54 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:20:58 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:21:08 talnic mar'koth's an acid rifle fires a beam of acid but misses you.
[Combat] 15:21:11 talnic mar'koth uses an acid rifle to fire a beam of acid on you for 580 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:21:11 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.
[Spatial] 15:21:40 Talnic tells you, '1036-3079 5,2'.
[Spatial] 15:21:53 Talnic tells you, 'acid stream'.

So, a Master Commando with an acid stream launcher can do 1722 in 46 seconds with 5 misses. 4 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - rocket launcher
[Combat] 15:23:49 Talnic tells you, '1241-3745 5.8'.
[Combat] 15:23:58 talnic mar'koth's rocket launcher misses you.
[Combat] 15:24:01 talnic mar'koth uses a rocket launcher on you for 1088 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:24:01 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with a rocket launcher can do 1088 in 3 seconds with one miss. 3 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - hpbc
[Spatial] 15:25:27 Talnic tells you, 'heavy partical beam cannon 2486 4048 5.1'.
[Combat] 15:26:12 talnic mar'koth's particle beam misses you.
[Combat] 15:26:14 talnic mar'koth uses a particle beam on you for 1102 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:26:14 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with a hpbc can do 1102 in 2 seconds with one miss. 2 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - lightning cannon
[Combat] 15:29:44 talnic mar'koth's lightning beam misses you.
[Combat] 15:29:49 talnic mar'koth uses a lightning beam on you for 594 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:29:54 talnic mar'koth uses a lightning beam on you for 1012 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:29:54 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So, a Master Commando with a lightning cannon can do 1606 in 10 seconds with one miss. 5 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - 25m - thermal detonator
[Combat] 15:30:30 talnic mar'koth's thermal detonator misses you.
[Combat] 15:30:39 talnic mar'koth's thermal detonator misses you.
[Combat] 15:30:48 talnic mar'koth uses a thermal detonator on you for 895 points of damage!
[Combat] 15:30:48 You have been incapacitated by talnic mar'koth.

So a Master Commando with a thermal detonator can do 895 in 18 seconds with 2 misses. 9 seconds between specials.

Master Commando - randomness
[Combat] 15:31:39 talnic mar'koth's rocket launcher misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:31:42 talnic mar'koth's rocket launcher misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:08 talnic mar'koth carefully aims at Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:10 talnic mar'koth's particle beam misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:20 Killum lays prone.
[Combat] 15:32:27 talnic mar'koth carefully aims at Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:29 talnic mar'koth's particle beam misses Killum.
[Combat] 15:32:44 Killum kneels.
[Combat] 15:32:51 talnic mar'koth uses a particle beam on Killum for 1485 points of damage!

So a master commando can waste 6 shots to hit someone once for 1485.

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I guess you missed the part where you were one hit by the flamethrower with no misses in (as you put it) .8 seconds. You proved nothing except the one hitting power of the FT is ridiculous.

On the other hand though, I'mnot complaining. Now that there is delay, the dmg is acceptable. Once they fix the DOT (which is ridiculous, thank goodness they've already said they're gonna fix it) it will be more acceptable.

The problem with most commandos is they ran to commando because it was accidently made grossly overpowered, and now that it has been fixed to be more of a equitable class, most commandos are crying because now they actually die every once in awhile when walking around hitting flame single two. It's sad.

Another thing that makes me sick about the whole situation is seeing commandos crying about getting killed by nests of kreetles. If you're dumb enough to use a flamethrower against a nest of kreetles, then you deserve to die. Enough said.

In the end, your class is still great and does a lot of good stuff. When flame single 2 hits it one shots in pvp over 50% of the time! Instead of crying about how it 'used' to be when your class was grossly unfair, learn to play smart and use a variety of weapons/moves in different situations. Fight in groups, and find instances where using your FT is smart. I'll give you a hint - it isn't for soloing any longer.

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