Commando Archive
Thread: Observations
Drachinthor wrote:
To the fool calling me a lackey:
I am certainly no such thing. I believe that this mystery will only be unlocked by the combined brainpower of many intelligent people, and if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
You, sir, are part of the problem. You did not provide evidence as to which assumptions you are talking about (and in my semi-educated opinion, all of the assumptions he made are reasonable enough to be called fact for the most part, unless SOE follows very unorthodox and inefficient business\programming\development models) and do not state why you believe his response to be BS. Please. Dont be mad just because people listen to him and not you, which seems to be why a lot of people flame him.
I don't see why it is that people can't agree with hisgoals and some of his beliefs towards that end(I dont necessarily agree with all of him) without being his female dog, so to speak, or why people cannot wish to work with him, notfor lack of individual intellect, but for the purpose of combined intellectual power, and again not be referred to as his bitch.
That was a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing.
Are you sure I didn't provide evidence, or is that just the easy way for you to pass off arguing my point back to me? So far nothing you've posted in this thread has had anymeat behind it, other than "Nuh uhhh! Meyree is right!". And if you think a process as assinine as he proposed for the CSRs is 'reasonable enough', whew, I'm stunned.
I too believe it will be solved through the combined effort of several people - but if you just blindly swallow whatever someonethrows upon a message board - you're not going to get anywhere.. and so faryou're no different than the people still trying to follow his ridiculous 'nobles' path. Keep telling me I'm the problem, keep spinning your wheels - it doesn't effect me any.
See what a flamer does to a thread? This thread is no longer talking about Meyree's observations, but rather it's an ongoing battle between two people(Maybe even a third or fourth). This is unbelievable, and I in now way mean to flame those at the receiving end, but you have also contributed. I say next time, ignore them, and let them go about their business, because they do nothing for this thread, and nothing for the FSCS. I don't even see why they post here at all.
Anyways here's my two cents:
All through out science history, they are all theories. Even theories nowadays still are theories. Why? Because at any instant in our lifetime, someone could find a hole in the theory, and it would no longer be trusted. But what happens to these theories? They get tought in school,we are told to believe them. The creators of these theories, assumed what they were saying to be true. So why flame Meyree for posting his theories and saying his theories are the TRUTH. If he didn't, who would believe him? In order for me to follow something, that in no way has been proven true, the person stating it needs to appear to have some sort of back bone. What's the point in following some cowardly worm blindly?
Meyree, does not do this, and he is trying to help the FSCS community as a whole.
More on flamers: I have noticed that in every situation, there is "non-conformists". They hold the group back. Why? Because no matter what you say, they do not agree. If they lived in the United-States, they would be communist. If they lived in the old USSR, they would be trying to revolt into capitalist(of course this is a little extreme, but you get the point).
Anyways..
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Hey! I can be a communist if I want to be.
*evil grin*
I'm sorry I couldn't help it.
Meyree wrote:
CSRs DO know the path. If they did not, then the one play character they are allowed would possibly unlock the FSCS, and become a jedi down the road. If this occurred, it would be interpreted as favoritism toward SoE staff over customers. The consequences would not be immediate or devastating in the player community, but the long term damage to Public Relations would be costly. The only way to prevent this is to tell them how to do it, and then forbid them from doing so.
Actually...CSR's are blatantly forbidden to answer ANY CS tickets regarding force sensitivity or Jedi. When I suspected that there was a chance I had incurred a glitch in relation to the FS slot, I talked to a CSR in the SWG chat - he told me that they are not allowed to answer CS tickets of that nature, so there was no way to help me, even if he could, which he couldn't, because they aren't told much at all about the FS slot.
Also...what happened to the Meyree that was sure that the devs were out to stop him from getting a FS slot or figuring out how? I don't know why that Meyree has suddenly changed his mind like this. Finally had some sense knocked into you?
I asked several CSR and they all told me they dont know anything, that they arent told that kind of information, so.
I'm willing to bet some of the senior ones know, however it does seem to be true that MOST do not. Regardless... eh. It doesn't matter much any way.
Hereismy theory:
I think the hermit is probably the start of the path. Since then i've done every quest from Static NPC's with no title and have seen 0 results from it (it may have helped, but i have no clue atm). After all those quests i started wandering the planet (Tatooine, since in the Hermit's conversation he did say you must explore the "world" not galaxy or planets or universe).
While wanderingI have found some random NPC's (not POI, but with a title) in the middle of nowhere that were solo and had a converse option. I THINK these have something to do with FS, but EVERYTIME i've ran into one of these they are broken. Another odd thing about them is regardless of how long its been they seem to remember that i started the quest with them and it continues where i left off.
More info on these guys;
One day i was wandering between mos entha and mos taike, i found one of these. They asked for help because someone was going after them, i conversed got the quest and then waited for the attackers...they never showed. I started getting pissed after 20 minutes 
so i decided to kill this NPC. After i killed the NPC i ran out of range, then i ran back and found another NPC in the same spot (differnent name and title). This new NPC said he needed help as i approached but when i conversed it acted as if i already started the quest and kept repeating "they should be coming any minute now". I waited another 20 minutes then decided to kill this **edit** too. Did the same thing 2 more times before i gave up and took off.(btw i've also ran into the same type random NPC running from anchorhead to a mission i had that led to the middle of nowhere, once again he remembered me from last time but no attackers ever came)
I have no idea if this really has anything to do with FS but due to the fact that the Dev's have said that there won't be anyone unlocking the FS slot for at least 3 months, i can't help but speculate that part of the FS path is working, but not all. I think they will finish all the content on the path at the 3 month marker and then we will see a few FS characters popping up soon after.
I also can't help but think that once we get a few FS characters unlocked that they will stop those random NPC's from spawning for a while to prevent a FS overload.
Take that for what its worth (pretty much nothing atm)...its just my theory and a short observation.
BTW i dont proof read 
Another thing that leads me to believe that the path may not be fully implemented yet.
"They [Dark Jedi] won't be there at launch, but truthfully, we'll likely still be testing the Jedi system at launch."
Haden, Feb 2003
Just a sidenote in regards to the post criticizing non-conformists:
You had stated that non-conformists holds society back. I would argue the opposite. If everyone conformed to the norms there would still be slavery, there would be no civil rights, there would be no quantum physics, there would be no renaissance art.
In every involved society there must be voices of dissent. Dissent acts as proof that people are listening, thinking, and care about what is going on. Dissent stands at the opposite side of the spectrum from apathy and complacency.
Conformity lends to a sense of security and community.It is the cohesive and cooperative side of human nature that has allowed societies to be formed. I will not deny the importance of conformity. Yet at the same time, there would be no progress if everyone conformed; there would be no change without differing perspectives.
Martin Luther King was a nonconformist. So was Ghandi, and Einstein and Jesus. Regardless of how you feel about these people, the impact they had on the world cannot be denied.Nonconformity does not hold society back - itpushes it forward.
Sorry to post thiscompletely off topic rant, butsince I consider myself to be a strict individualist(and nonconformist) I wasinexplicably compelled to express mythoughts on this. 
Ok, so you've realized that the devs won't censor our Jedi revelations because that would be counterproductive to their cause. There, I've said it in one sentence!
It really bugs me when people think they know what they're talking about, but they really don't. For instance, the part where you say the path WILL be the same for some people.
Meyree wrote:
Rational Limitation Clause: In a system defined by finite value ranges, not every experience can be unique. Eventually, two paths will be identical.
It can be assumed that there are finite ranges in SWG because these ranges exist in any program. A variable type in code defines each variable in a program. By defining the variable type, a range for the possible variable values is chosen using the following formula:
For signed variables: [2 ^ (x – 1)] - 1 to (-2) ^ (x – 1)
For unsigned variables: 0 to [2 ^ (x – 1)] - 1
Where x = 8 * z and z = the number of bytes allocated to a variable type
Note this formula does not apply for non-integral variable types, such as Float or String, however limitations are imposed on the range of values that may be stored for those variable types, as well.
Conclusion from supporting fact D) Rational limitation dictates that a miniscule percentage of the population would successfully recreate an identical investigation environment, and reproduce the steps posted with the end result being an opened FS slot. Rational limitation does not guarantee anyone would successfully do this.
For one thing, this is only true if there are an INFINITE number of players, since the only thing universally greater than FINITE is INFINITE (or to go along with your ridiculous mumbo-jumbo, C(i) > C(f) ). Maybe the devs could come up with 50 million different paths.
Of course, now you'll say "meehhh but that would mean they have to manually create a different scenario which is unique for every player and that's not reasonable!!" Well Meyree, you've made an assumption about the path being a linear thing. Have you ever considered the possiblity if different stages/components to opening the FS slot, and the potential permutations when they are all strung together? For example, let's say each "path" is composed of 8 stages, and each of these 8 stages has 10 possibilities. Doesn't sound too complicated, and that's only 80 different "variables" as you've called them. But it results in 100,000,000 possibilities.
And why oh why are you throwing around numbers relating bytes and variable ranges? Yes, you took CS101, you're now the authority on the inner workings of Star Wars Galaxies. This range you're talking about doesn't mean squathere... do you know how big 2^32 is?
I'm not saying you're wrong about everything, but come on man, just say what you have to say instead of posting it in some sort of elitist-wannabe language.