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Thread: My Speculations on the state of the Combat Revamp Docs

nbd9k
Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:54 am
#27

Mucho domos for the info garvin, but i think its reached a point where theDEVs are giving too little too late. Ive tried desporately not to be pessimistic, but even i'm considering putting my account on hold (since all of my friends have now quit). I was kind of excited about JTL until i saw the friday feature on starting as an imperial pilot. It really sounds like space combat will be no different than combat on the ground, where if you want to be any good, you have to grind and master pilot, then get the best crap you can for the best ship you can afford. The whole thing will turn out just like PVP is now, where everyone is a rifleman fencer.

Everyone will be flying TIE advanced or Bwings, and your ability to manuver the aircraft wont matter a whit.

Ive tried to hand on to the idea that they would fix things, really i have, but we all know JTL is their top priority right now, and any extra time they have afterwards will be spent fixing any code errors in the space missions. I think im gonna shut down my account until i see that theyve implemented the Combat Balance, and then i might try again.


I dont understand why TH doesnt look at a thread like this one, print it out and drag it up his chain of command. Im not trying to flame the DEVs because i know they work hard, but its gotten to the point where i dont have any fun playing the game anymore. Im stubborn and i wont leave commando so i cant fight anything more powerful than a nuna without a buff, i dont want to be a jedi so the new content is useless to me, and i hate to PVP because im tired of fighting rifleman/fencers.


Ill keep an eye on the forums and see whats going on from time to time.


Its been an interesting road.


-Harv
garvin
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:47 am
#28






TK-132 wrote:

This is ridiculous. Will be having the combat revamp soon. We will be posting the combat revamp docs soon. We will be posting information about when the docs come out soon. We will be posting information about the information about when the docs come out soon.....


(Bangs head on wall)


I'm getting real tired of this "soon" garbage. I've just about had enough. If nothing about the docs or wharever comes out soon I'm just gonna figure that the revamp isn't happening until January. It should have happened in August, and the revamp should take place in November. Pardon my French but I'm sick and tired of this crap. All I want is fair fun game.





"Soon" seems to be the new "That will be addressed in the Combat Balance"...The word or phrase we love to hate...


At least I do know that TH is working on some type of "status of the Combat Revamp and it's docs" type post that I'm hoping we'll see today or tomorrow (he hasn't confirmed when it will post, only that he's working on it and it may only address the status of the docs)...


Each day that goes by most of us Correspodents are going nuts wanting to spill the beans...but we all know the effect of that without you seeing the actuall docs...The bigger picture may be missed and negative feelings will develop based off of misiterpretations that will be hard to dispell (once someone convinces themselves it's a bad idea, it's hard to change their minds)...If I had heard only partial info regarding the Combat Revamp I might have been concerned about a few things...but when I had ALL of the details and someone to explain the ultimate gameplan, it all fell into place and made very good sense...


For example, if the Devs went ahead and posted the Commando changes without explaininganything else, some folks would accuse us of becoming too powerful and they'd gear up to get us NERF'd...but when you see the other profession changes, plus the formula changes as well as the HAM and Armor changes, it all starts to make sense...


Anyway...I wish I could provide you all with something more...but unfortunately I can't...but I will leave you with another hint to drive you all even more crazy...


In the Current Revamp Info, kiting will be combatable by ALL when it comes to PvP...We Commandos won't have to worry about being slowly killed by someone who strategically stays outside 16m...




Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Novock
Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:41 am
#29

That was part of my point, they only respond to a joke or to make jokes they don't make any comments about the real issues unless its... that is in the revamp and.... soon. I know the comment was an answer to the joke it just happens to be the only comments they will make in forum.



Novock
Cr|mson Kn|ghtsCo-Leader of <-CK->
Tim-bo
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Novock
Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:48 am
#30

Garvin wrote:

At least I do know that TH is working on some type of "status of the Combat Revamp and it's docs" type post that I'm hoping we'll see today or tomorrow (he hasn't confirmed when it will post, only that he's working on it and it may only address the status of the docs)...







LOL yea that would be about right. He will post some comment regarding the docs and that will be delayed indifinetly before he leaves for the weekend or how "we are sorry you were misled into thinking these would be posted to the public. Please be patient all issues will be resolved in the combat revamp..... soon" Of course soon was stated in December of 2003 and its still soon in Sept 2004... it will probably still be soon in December of 2004... and still soon in June of 2005. Someone whould post definitions with these terms for I actually thought soon meant pending, imminent, at hand.... but it seems it means ain a few years.


Novock



Novock
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Tim-bo
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Novock
Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:24 pm
#31

Oh I need to post that anything I have said here is no reflection upon Garvin or any other coorespondent. I feel garvin is one of the best coorespondents in the forums. I think he's doing a good job. I am (like many will not speak for all) have grown extremely frustrated at the way the devs communicate if you can even call it communication. Here are the questions I believe they need to address with some specificity:


1. Is the combat balance/revamp being coded right now and the problem is simply getting the docs in a acceptable format to post.? Another words the revamp is being coded and the document posting is really a diferent issue of PR. Or is there no code actualy written yet for the revamp and the coding will only start after these docs are finished?


2. When is the estimated (hence no more "soon") will the sandboxbe up and testing start?(this is far bigger a question then the docs for this speaks to timeframe and how much longer we will have to wait)


Of course I would like to see the smuggler revamp question answered as well but seeming this is the commando forum I will leave that one go for now. If we could get answers on these two we would atleast know where we sit. The unfortuante part is we get statemenst such as in stratics "that the y are working away at the ground game" What does that mean? Does that mean they are working on vendor issues, quest bugs or does that actually mean they are working on the revamp? hence here is the source of my frustartion and unfortunately I know this will not change. TH said the combat balance would not take more than a year after launch to implement, but we have long since celebrated the 1 year anniversary, and now all we are talking about is documensta bout the revamp. Well anyway... before I get my self hot again. Garvin you're doing a great job I just wish they wouldn't hang you guys as human shields to protect themselves against their lack of community communication.





Novock
Cr|mson Kn|ghtsCo-Leader of <-CK->
Tim-bo
Cr|mson Kn|ghts- Architect/Droid Engineer/Merchant

WeissHengst
Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:56 pm
#32






garvin wrote:





TK-132 wrote:

This is ridiculous. Will be having the combat revamp soon. We will be posting the combat revamp docs soon. We will be posting information about when the docs come out soon. We will be posting information about the information about when the docs come out soon.....


(Bangs head on wall)


I'm getting real tired of this "soon" garbage. I've just about had enough. If nothing about the docs or wharever comes out soon I'm just gonna figure that the revamp isn't happening until January. It should have happened in August, and the revamp should take place in November. Pardon my French but I'm sick and tired of this crap. All I want is fair fun game.





"Soon" seems to be the new "That will be addressed in the Combat Balance"...The word or phrase we love to hate...


At least I do know that TH is working on some type of "status of the Combat Revamp and it's docs" type post that I'm hoping we'll see today or tomorrow (he hasn't confirmed when it will post, only that he's working on it and it may only address the status of the docs)...


Each day that goes by most of us Correspodents are going nuts wanting to spill the beans...but we all know the effect of that without you seeing the actuall docs...The bigger picture may be missed and negative feelings will develop based off of misiterpretations that will be hard to dispell (once someone convinces themselves it's a bad idea, it's hard to change their minds)...If I had heard only partial info regarding the Combat Revamp I might have been concerned about a few things...but when I had ALL of the details and someone to explain the ultimate gameplan, it all fell into place and made very good sense...


For example, if the Devs went ahead and posted the Commando changes without explaininganything else, some folks would accuse us of becoming too powerful and they'd gear up to get us NERF'd...but when you see the other profession changes, plus the formula changes as well as the HAM and Armor changes, it all starts to make sense...


Anyway...I wish I could provide you all with something more...but unfortunately I can't...but I will leave you with another hint to drive you all even more crazy...


In the Current Revamp Info, kiting will be combatable by ALL when it comes to PvP...We Commandos won't have to worry about being slowly killed by someone who strategically stays outside 16m...








Yeah, this combat balance (Notice I don't say "rebalance")... should have been the first thing they did. Or atleast one of the first. I've spent exactly $240 for this game, with absolutely nothing new that has come out and applied to me except cutting the f*cking nuts off any profession I get. Yeah I get better service at a damn Wal-mart... and I believe in Unions.


Thats one reason I'm very angry. The idea we have to wait, for a combat balance, which should be done right in the first place, or fixed (they knew this wasa problem and admited it). And I have paid $190 for almost nothing improvement wise. ... please no one can deny thatwe lostthe little gcw we had; the prime purpose of this game. Sure pvp is fun (no i don't whine about ANY certain professions: dots, etc... like some people do)... pvp is great... but really, where's all the stuff from the movies? The actual gcw battles... where they go? ... anyone? Yeah. All we got now is little personal battles.


I will name more problems I have with the game now (reason why as of now I'm not playing and not renewing), but to tellyou the truth I don't really care anymore so I'm not gonna explain myself too much.


1. Waiting. Them not informing us about anything. Not a new complaint.


2. Abusing our gaming additions. How else can you explain telling a gamer, that if he masters all the profesions he'll get Jedi. What did they expect here?


3. Besides few caves... no new content.


4. Nerfs, nerfs, nerfs...


5. Jedi, jed, jedi...


6. Hidden updates not in publish notes... of course stuff we won't like... that's really lovely SOE.


7. "Oh this game will be great, just wait".


8. Non-game hate in game and forums. May sound weird, but someone swearing at you for no reason... or stuff of that sort. Now talking in game cr*p is great, but out of game... I've had boys call women "c*nts, b*tches, wh*res, for absolutely no reason".


9.Unresponsive professsion forums... yes even this one. A fewhelpful people in forums, but other than that players flaming my commando posts, or other posts. And of course, a little dev communication (or some sort of SOE person)... would do wonders. No one has really responded to my original posts.


10. People in game flaming that I have commando.


11. Another thing about cb: supposed to give professions "roles", but I think all of us have roles, we just don't want to do them.


12. No heavy weapons profession... And after cb looks like commando will have less emphasis on heavy.


13. Doctors are being punished. Buffing for hours just so all of us can play- yeah that's really nice SOE.


14.Jtl, I don't want to play that.


I really don't want to waste any of my time writing about this, either I get ignored or flamed. Thanks alot everyone... thanks a bunch...





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nbd9k
Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:41 am
#33

Any new developments on this, Garvin?
RotorofCorRng
Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:50 am
#34






nbd9k wrote:

Any new developments on this, Garvin?






Odds are that you could probably hit Powerball first .



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Novock
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:13 am
#35





nbd9k wrote:


Any new developments on this, Garvin?






Yea on Saturday TH posted that they would be out.... soon.... dult soon.... thats what He said before.


Dev response: "no you see that was the old "soon" we have decide to go a different a cooler way so now we are waiting for the new "soon" It will be fun though we can't speak at the moment towards the details of the "soon" But the "soon" will change how you view soon. And then soon you will have forgotten about the old soon and will wonder how you ever got along with the old soon. But after the new soon we are looking at furher enhancing the soon and that will come soon after the new soon that replaced the old soon.








Novock
Cr|mson Kn|ghtsCo-Leader of <-CK->
Tim-bo
Cr|mson Kn|ghts- Architect/Droid Engineer/Merchant

garvin
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:20 am
#36






nbd9k wrote:

Any new developments on this, Garvin?




Not really...still hearing rumblings that an announcment is coming on the status of the docs...




Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

Novock
Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:36 am
#37

"still hearing rumblings "


rumblings?


Like what.... Ah man u mean we have to work on those things?


Sry just in a super frustrated mood this morning.




Novock
Cr|mson Kn|ghtsCo-Leader of <-CK->
Tim-bo
Cr|mson Kn|ghts- Architect/Droid Engineer/Merchant

Nerj
Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:03 pm
#38






garvin wrote:





Novock wrote:

"still hearing rumblings "


rumblings?


Like what.... Ah man u mean we have to work on those things?


Sry just in a super frustrated mood this morning.






Rumblings as in TH stating he is working on some type of announcment...Even SOETyrant confirmed that he is putting something together...but I say rumblings because there has been no confirmation on exactly what it will detail (just that it will be related to the combat revamp docs) and no confirmation of when it will be posted...


I posted this morning to hopefully get some type of update I can share publically...for now it's all speculation...Personally I have my own speculations on what the hold up is, and it does sort of make sense (in a lame sort of way) but I'm holding off on sharing to prevent any further rumors...I will say this...I don't believe the doc delays are in anyway a sign that something is wrong with the revamp or will result in a delay of the sandbox getting up and running...I think it has more of a "business" reason and TH is a victim in this as much as we are...but again...that's just my wild speculation...








Understandable, The JTL release is coming soon and all efforts are concentrated on it. It will be their Christamas season seller and they definatlly don't want any more bad publicity on SWG. By commenting incorrectlly, on the ground game, it may turn some potential buyers off. Therefore, wording on the DOCs must be done very carefully as to NOT cause a panic.



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seant9
Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:00 pm
#39

Who wants to take bets on which will come first, the Combat Revamp or Duke Nukem Forever?






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