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Thread: What the point to Commando anymore ?

Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 5:23 am
#27

Do this in sections:


"Plasma flame dot on my plasma thrower ticks at 23 damage"


yer flamer blows then. I do 250 a tick with 1012 max.


"Lightening cannon, around 800 max 450 DPS, ignites and causes a flame dot of 23 tick...woopity do.."


Mine is 950 max, thanks. It also is very good for fighting the droids in DWB.


"rocket launcher, 340 DPS. 650 max, knockdown occurs once every 5-10 attacks. What is the purpose?"


To let low level commando's level up. If you want to KD, use an imperial detonator. But low level commando's need some weaponry, so they make a rocket launcher weak, and give it to low guys.


"Beam cannon, 400 dps, max I donno. Its special affect is damage in a line behind the target to max range... wanna know the damage to the enemys behind the target? 0 damage. fantastic, an in line agro cannon."


It's a bug. As is always said. Wait for the bug to fix, and commando will be better.


"Acid launcher, does blind..same weak damage as another weapon. Again, nothing but an agro cannon."


64m range. Great for long distance shots. I use it all the time when trying to get a stormtrooper or 2 to come to me from their base, so turrets wont get me for as long. It is long range, it blinds, and it is just a bit weaker then the Lightning Cannon.


"I am level 61 master commando and i had smuggler. I dueled a level 49 commando, he smoked me with no problem. Do I suck? Not because I donno what im doing, but because what I am is wasting points with commando. We have no damage specials inherent in the class, thrus we are not a real class. Commando is just the little accessory to bounty hunter or smuggler or carbaneer. And you are never a commando first now. Foolish pride and BS aside, we are gimped."


You suck is the only responce. You did not make your char good. Commando, as it should be, is an addition. Rifleman/Carbineer/Pistoleer are the regular ground troops. Commando's are the Elite. We use all the same tactics, but we do it on a much larger scale. We have no specials, but we can use everyone elses. Foolish pride and BS Aside, we are not gimped. We have been strengthened. Never in my 503 days as a Master Commando have I been able to win 5 duels in a row. That speaks for something. If you take everyone, compare it, guess what. Commando will be a lot higher on the list then pre-CU.


"Granades- Dont make them take a year to recycle to another attack, throwing and picking up a gun isnt that hard."


Speed should be a bit harder. The radius should be more, and the effects should be more potent. But laying a gun down, throwing a grenade, then leaning down to pick it up does take a bit more time then to let off a flamethrower shot.



You write so much that your dots do 80 damage etc, and how they need to increase them. I do not know this for fact, but I think your level comes into this. I am level 80, my fire dots do 250. My bleeds (torso shot) does roughly 100. I think you either:

1- Not high enough level for a full dot (which I find stupid, but experience in fighting brings you closer to master)

2- Just like making up stuff against commando.

3- Suck.

I never do as low damage as you. I dont use the rocket launcher, because it is useless. I dont use the particle gun, because it is useless. You seem to be underequipt, except for flamer. I dont know why you are weaker then anyone else, except maybe your template blows. That is the only thing I can think of.

Message Edited by Reydon on 05-07-2005 08:37 AM




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
StabMastah
Sat May 07, 2005 7:34 am
#28

Okay first off, please, telling me I just " suck " because I bring up legetimate issues is not cool.


I don't understand you guys, Im trying to make your favorite profession even better. And you flame me ? When I say Commando sucks, I don't me you personally.


This is an RPG game thats based strictly on dice rolls, and skill mods. So why do you insist on preaching about the soul of the Commando or whatever ?? LOL your not Teras Kasi artists or Jedi. You supposed to be the big guys with the big guns. Not a religious cult.


I don't deal in the mystical. If you want to " role play " on the forums and speak of the soul and carma or whatever about the Commando, thats fine. Im not going to hold it against you if blind optimism is your thing. But Im not going to ignore my experience and opinions because you think you have enough " soul " to overcome issues.


Im not a noob. Im very experienced in ranged combat. Commando is just not good enough right now.


I did not make this thread to turn into a flame war. I got a good response from the Commando correspondent, and thats good enough for me.

Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 8:05 am
#29
Also, I say you suck because you say "Oh no! I cant use my flamer around 20 units! What ever will I do?" You use ANOTHER GUN. Jesus christ, it isnt that hard to switch from the flamer. Commando is for fighting mass (or should be, once this aoe bug leaves), not singles in a group.




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 3:49 pm
#30
"am i the only one who found that absolutely hilarious?!"


Haha, nah man, you are not the only one.




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 4:20 pm
#31


double post

Message Edited by Reydon on 05-07-2005 07:21 PM




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
Knightcrest
Sat May 07, 2005 5:30 pm
#32




Reydon wrote:


Wrong you ignorant fool. Commando is an empowering profession. You use it to expand your soldiering skills to the next level. As ranger is the elite scout, Commando is the elite soldier. Ranger cant stand alone, it needs to learn to fight to survive creatures. Commandos cant stand alone, they need tactics of other soldiering profs. Nothing good will ever stand alone.Most good things require multiple input. You can not judge commando alone, even pre-cu. Commando is better now then it ever was. The lack of specials changes nothing. Commando will never stand alone. That is a fact. Nor should it. We are an expansion, no expansion can be done without the main part. You cant play JTL without Empire Divided. Just as you cant play Commando without carbineer/pistoleer/rifleman.


Now:


It isnt THRUS. It is Thus. It is fanboy. Not Fanboi. It is Supplement. Not Supliment.


DoTs: Who knows. Maybe it has to do with char level. I do 250+ with dots, minimum.

Message Edited by Reydon on 05-07-2005 07:21 PM




Hey, think you can lay off the name calling and personal insults? This section of the community never had that until recently. Knock it off. Start it up again and will be more than happy to use the "report to moderator" option. This community has always had fire but we don't direct it to name calling... whether I drop the prof or not I will always be here. Keep it clean mate, and commando is very weak using anything but rifleman or bh atm and very weak without the PFT using Adv Crit. You wear a BH icon, respec to another prof set with commando tonight and tell me what you think of our DPS.




Message Edited by Knightcrest on 05-07-2005 07:31 PM



Colonel Valdan Nightwind
Captain of the Wrath of Night
Elder Smuggler/Master Pilot
Kylin Nightwind - Jedi/Alliance Ace & Tyrin Nightwind - TnT Engineering 3781, 4123 outside Doaba Guerfel, Corellia
Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 5:35 pm
#33
Hey, think you can lay off the name calling and personal insults? This section of the community never had that until recently. Knock it off. Start it up again and will be more than happy to being the "report to moderator" option. This community has always had fire but we don't direct it to name calling... whether I drop the prof or not I will always be here. Keep it clean mate, and commando is very weak using anything but rifleman or bh atm and very weak without the PFT using Adv Crit. You wear a BH icon, respec to another prof set with commando tonight and tell me what you think of our DPS.


Someone attacks me, I attack back. That is plain and simple. Someone yells in anger, I insult in malice.


I have a BH symbol because I am a BH, and I am proud of it. Commando is not very weak when not rifleman or bh. I was a commando/pistoleer, and I loved it, it was great. Same with Carbineer. Are they as good as rifleman or bh? No. But do they suck, are they very weak like you say, no.




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
Knightcrest
Sat May 07, 2005 5:49 pm
#34




Reydon wrote:
Hey, think you can lay off the name calling and personal insults? This section of the community never had that until recently. Knock it off. Start it up again and will be more than happy to being the "report to moderator" option. This community has always had fire but we don't direct it to name calling... whether I drop the prof or not I will always be here. Keep it clean mate, and commando is very weak using anything but rifleman or bh atm and very weak without the PFT using Adv Crit. You wear a BH icon, respec to another prof set with commando tonight and tell me what you think of our DPS.


Someone attacks me, I attack back. That is plain and simple. Someone yells in anger, I insult in malice.


I have a BH symbol because I am a BH, and I am proud of it. Commando is not very weak when not rifleman or bh. I was a commando/pistoleer, and I loved it, it was great. Same with Carbineer. Are they as good as rifleman or bh? No. But do they suck, are they very weak like you say, no.




You told him he sucked after his rhetorical question. You kept nagging on that when he did not insult you in any capacity, back off that crap... it doesn't help him or the community. Tell me what your best modified DPS on a PFT is? Mine is 573 point something... with master commando/master bh. It was an insane pre-CU flamer with something like 1.8 speed and 1k damg. Without skill mods... I can kill that DPS with any weapon. Commando needs to depend on other profs, yes. It should not need to depend on them for damage. I.E. A Smuggler with a rocket launcher is still a rocket launcher wielding demolitionist. I should not be able to outdamage him just because I have adv critical with a lev 4 offense BH and his lev 5 offense Commando paired with smuggler dumbs down his weapons due to lack of specials. The problem is the "built in specials" , they are limiters and causing mad issues with commando DPS.

Message Edited by Knightcrest on 05-07-2005 07:50 PM



Colonel Valdan Nightwind
Captain of the Wrath of Night
Elder Smuggler/Master Pilot
Kylin Nightwind - Jedi/Alliance Ace & Tyrin Nightwind - TnT Engineering 3781, 4123 outside Doaba Guerfel, Corellia
Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 5:56 pm
#35
First off, he attacked Commando's. He said we sucked. And that is saying I sucked. Plain and simple. Then I insulted him and back and fourth it goes.


Next, BH/Commando should do better then Smuggler/Commando. Smuggler/Commando gives up strength for slicing/drugmaking/faction buying. BH is a fighter, like a commando. Commando is an expansion. It does depend on other professions. Expansions do rely, as commando does.




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
Reicine
Sat May 07, 2005 7:07 pm
#36

Reydon wrote:
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I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride.
I will crack the whip, with a bold mighty hail.
Cover me with death, if I should ever fail.
Glory, Majesty, Unity. Hail, Hail, Hail!





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Reydon
Sat May 07, 2005 7:24 pm
#37
Haha. Brother of Metal here of several years.


Incase anyone else is lost, Manowar is a heavy metal band who has made it in the world record for the loudest performance on earth. Brother/Sister of Metal is the name used in their music to refer to their fans.




Cyrus' Ludarin
Proud Mercenary Commando of 731 Days of 12/21/05
"SoE has murdered my hopes for a good game and a fun time by destroying what defines a commando. How about you?."
StabMastah
Sat May 07, 2005 10:24 pm
#38
" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! am i the only one who found that absolutely hilarious?! "


So you don't remember when Commando could stack FOUR different DOT's at once on a person ? WHen they could turn your Ham bars to BLACK with massive wound damage within seconds ? When there was a " revenge TEF " and you could one hit kill ANY enemy faction player with the Flame Throwerbefore they couldfire back??


I would call that a force in PVP dude. It was.



Rydor once again, I appologize. Please understand, I did NOT say you as a person suck. I did not insult you personally. I was speaking about the Proffesion itself. While I do admire your umm.. passion for it. This is a game and you are taking things way too seriously, and way out of context.


Palad
Sat May 07, 2005 11:00 pm
#39




Reydon wrote:

First off, he attacked Commando's. He said we sucked. And that is saying I sucked. Plain and simple. Then I insulted him and back and fourth it goes.


Next, BH/Commando should do better then Smuggler/Commando. Smuggler/Commando gives up strength for slicing/drugmaking/faction buying. BH is a fighter, like a commando. Commando is an expansion. It does depend on other professions. Expansions do rely, as commando does.





Ok first, if you honestly attach yourself to a general statment like "Commando is a sucky stand alone profession" and think its a personal insult, its time to go outside and take a break from the game. Second, im a master commando myself who is going bounty hunter/commando. So dont act like I donno what im talking about, or I just respec into the profession. I grinded out commando for 2 years with deployments to iraq slowing me down to eventually get to it.I think I have a right to say commando sucks after dealing with the bullcrap of being destroyed by any buffed melee profession in pvp, then the CU happens and realize commando has simply become a secondary class. Its has become like relish, not nessesary to enjoy a hotdog and never eaten by itself. So in affect, a pointless class. And due to the bugs with it at the moment such as npcs getting incapped and getting back up due to flame dots not having any strength it is very unattractive.


You know I actually "kiled" the same level 20 rebel npc tonight about 10 times? I would hit him with a special, he would fall down, then get right back up as if I couldnt finish him off. this was with a 1k max damage plasma thrower! Now go ahead, say something like "U SUK" or "U DUNT NO HOW 2 PLAY COMNDO" when I know full damn well how to play a commando. Its no different or "special" then marksman.


So dont get insulting and lecture me about crap because you are a fanBOI and refuse to admit the class is borked STILL at the moment.





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