Commando Archive
Thread: Official Summit is over and I'm Home Wrap Up Thread
garvin wrote:
I obviously can't explain things as well as TH and the other Devs can...but trust me...If I tried to detail all of the information we covered, I'm sure I'd probably miss something important...We had docs on many different impacts of the Combat Revamp (like the HAM redesign), not just one overall doc...and each of those docs were 4 or more pages...some even hitting double digits...
What I'm trying to say is there is a TON of stuff to cover...the first part that has to be covered is how Combat will be effected by the Revamp and what that means to all professions overall...Once that part has been fully explained, absorbed and understood, then I see them getting to how the Professions will be changing specifically to go along with the Combat Revamp...
I could post word for word the docs I received...but I probably couldn't come close to explaining them as well as the Devs did to us...There were diagrams and more involved here, followed by hours of Q&A...We spent over 7 hours on Saturday reveiwing the details...And then we spent tons of hours outside the office still asking the Devs more Q&A...
If you want the biggest examples of why they don't want to release any information to prematurely...look want has happened in the past...The Crafting Change...The Droid Commander...The Smuggler Revamp...Creature Handlers...Recursive Macros...Vendor Changes...etc...word gets out and many people jump to conclusions right away before knowing all the details...thats why this time they are going to clear the docs through the Correspondents first (we need more time to review all of them with a fine tooth cone...like I said, there are a lot of docs)...After that they'll start giving you out the refined info as well as getting it on the Sandbox to test...
If you want to blame anyone for the delay in posting the info, blame us Correspondents...we are the ones who want time to absorb all the info and respond back before they post the docs...The plan is for us to really dig into these docs Monday in the Correspondent forums...as soon as we are done, I'm sure the devs will post them...
This revamp has to be approached delicately...I don't want to chance anything that will delay or cancel this revamp...We Commandos have to much riding on this revamp to allow that...and if it means, unfortunately, the public has to waita bit, then I'm sorry...you'll have to wait...but I will promise you this, when you do read them and see what is coming, you will understand why you had to wait and you'll be happy you gave it time to be properly evaluated...You will be a happy Commando....
Geez, man...You are starting to sound like TH! j/k!!! /ducks
Just to touch on a couple things, one by one, in the bolded/italicized/underlined in yours, in order:
Garvin, you do an EXCELLENT job communicating things. MUCH better than TH or any of the other yahoos around there. Dont sell yourself short.
I am not so worried about the HAM revamp. I will deal with that when it comes around. What I want to know is: Are we getting speed/accuracy boosts? Are we getting new weapons? What is the new tree like? What defenses are we getting? Specifics. Not "Well, given the current state of the flame DoT in relation to the current HAM setup, how will the flamesingle2 DoT intertwine with the new HAM setup, as well as the high HAM costs of our hvy weaps?"
I dont care about any other profs at this point, in the Combat Balance....I want to know about Commando. I will learn about other profs role from reading their forums. Now, I know what you are thinking (kind of a TH response): "You have to take into context the role of the Commando as it pertains to other profs"...
As far as past announcements and the subsequent explosion of /rants, you have to admit, those rants were justified...As an example, how much WORSE do you think it would have been had they NOT announced the intended Merchant changes without getting the feedback they did, and instead readjusting it after hearing said rants?
So, on Monday, these changes will be posted in the Correspondent forums? Man, I need a hack to get into those!!!! Or does that mean info will be release here?
Garv, the biggest problem I have right now, is an alt that I am paying for that I rarely even play. Its just...This whole "wait for the CB" vagueness is starting to wear a little thin. And now that info IS there, but we cant see it, is even more frustrating. Like I said before, I was the kid that searched the house for Christmas presents...I dont like suprises...If the changes arent what I like, then I want to know so I can dump this char (or change profs) accordingly. To me, its still the dangling carrot by saying "This is our plan, but we cant tell you, so you just have to wait (as in, keep paying us 15 bucks a month)"....I know I cant convince you (LOL) as the rules are the rules...I have already made up my mind to cancel that account and hope for the best...
So is this a next year thing or what?
Skeptic666 wrote:
you had to use the word skeptical huh? Any way that is what I am going to be. I love you guys and I know you cant say any thing but it almost feels like hmm how many corospondents are there? well \what ever number it is its like that number of new TH's Have been born.
Wait for the CR its going to be great.
This is the reason I've been stressing over and over that "I have the docs in hand"...before we've mainly received vague word that things would be addressed in the "Combat Revamp" but never what exactly would be addressed or how...But at the Summit we not only found out what and how, but we got it all in writing...They also recorded the entire summit to make sure all of our questions and feedback were caught and processed...
That's the key thing...We aren't TH clones even though we kind of sound like it...more like, TH let us root a bit around in his brain and we've discoved where he hid his pot of gold...
I've recently heard word that the CR docs may start to be posted starting Sept 6th (next Monday), but we all know how reliable dates can be...I know they first have to be posted in the Correspondent forums for further refinement then they'll hit the "In Concept" forum...
BTW...for even more great info, I'd suggest visiting some of the other Profession Forums if you haven't already...many of the other Correspondents have already started posted their takes on the Summit and the Revamp...All I ask is that, if you don't take part in that profession directly, you not post there (unless you feel you need to)...any questions or concerns that rise from what another Correspondent has posted, please bring back here for me to respond to...I don't want to clutter up other boards with our issues just like I wouldn't want other profession players coming in here and cluttering up ours...
That's the key thing...We aren't TH clones even though we kind of sound like it...more like, TH let us root a bit around in his brain and we've discoved where he hid his pot of gold...
The only thing that makes me think maybe this time it is different with the Dev’s is that if they mess this up or it goes badly (after all the correspondents seem to have VERY positive reports) they better stick a fork in the community because it will be done.
I trust that if this happened Garvin would not be the only correspondent to ‘loose it’ and turn the FT on the Dev’s.
I think a lot of people are looking at this as the ‘last chance’ for this game (including the Dev’s).
But with that said...
Bottom line – until we see it a lot of us are not gona believe anything that comes out of SOE’s mouths.
). They simply don't want to release ANYTHING until they can release it in the ORDER and MANNER in which they want to present it in, after their plans start to get set in stone. (Just because you're reasonable, and a vast majority of the readers of these boards might be reasonable [*might* ] doesn't mean that everyone who reads this stuff will be reasonable)
Hellshot wrote:
Question Garvin, if you can answer it. You said we would be happy with our role, but what will that role be? Are we going to be heavy hitters, close up area damage, ranged tanks? No problem if you can't comment.
Ask the right questions I can try and answer best I can...While I can't disclose that information specifically I can tell you it very closely resembles what we've been pushing...
We've always seen ourselves as front line heavy hitters in a combat role...So the question is, what have we been asking for to be "Heavy Hitters on the Front Line"...
And I'll throw in this little bit...even without dabbling...just beinga pure Commando...We will be able to compete in PvP...dabbling will be to "enhance" us as it was originally intended...the better you dabble the better you will do "AS A COMMANDO"...can really say more, but trust me, it will make sense soon...
You all will have much reasons to be excited for the Revamp...I'm not exagerating when I say that I see a new Golden Age possibly on the Horizon...