Commando Archive

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Iron-Monkey wrote:

Maybe you don't understand (not just you, a lot of people actually), Commandos are a different breed of player. They have nodesire of being leet or uber. They don'tsee the gloryinthe "grenade grind" for a glowstick. Most Master Commandos (especially the ones that post on this thread) are proud fighters that want to forfill their role in the GCW (or PvE war, or whatever war you want to call it). They are not for loot, they are not for being a PvP god, they are for blowing the ever living snot out of EVERYTHING.

Whether we border on proud or psychotic, you don't 'get' us, the thread starter doesn't 'get' us, it's like we need a sign on the door that says "L33t D0odZ N0T W4nt3D!". I am sorry I went off on a rant, but this assumption of "everyone macro grinds for xp" is by far one of the most silly and telling statements I have seen outside the GCW forum.

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Thanks for clarifying this ohgreat speaker of everyone that was ever or will be a commando!

I thought I was on the jedi forums for a second where someone asks a simple question and gets flamed for it (no pun intended).

Maybe instead of being full of yourself, you could've posted a macro for this guy or you could havekept your inflated ego answers to yourself!

Not all master commandos want to fulfill their role in the stupid GCW. Some people, dare I say it, want to be master commando just to see what it's like. Go back to having your bad day and don't bring it here to the forums.

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Jocephus wrote:

I find it funny that you think you learn more from being at your keyboard for this profession than not... Lets see how many abilities we have here:

Flame single 1 & 2

Flame Cone 1 & 2 (Although not until master)

Acid single 1 & 2

Acid Cone 1 & 2 (again not until master)

So in reality... you have basically 2 specials to learn how to use. Personally, it didnt take me 30 hours of griding to figure out how to stack dot's. I don't think this is the hardest profession to learn.

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Ohh, so you also know when to use what?

As an example: If you AFK grinded, lets say pistoleer, would you also get to know when to use what special? How they relate to each other? We may not have many specials, but we have lots of consumeables instead, did your AFK grind teach how to use then in the most effective way? I don't think so. Knowing all specials from a proffesion is not the same as knowing how to use said proffesion. And that is what we react most to, others using our prof (currently) as a steppingstone to a glowstick. Or not taking the time to properly getting to know everything about our prof.

Message Edited by garvin on 03-18-2005 09:24 AM

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Ryubushi wrote:
I have never, nor will I ever, use a macro for my xp. I'd much prefer to kill things myself, not with a few simple afk commands.

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I never implied to using AFK macros when I said almost every had used a macro, but a macro to me is the simple thing of stacking commands.
For a long time I had this simple macro, with varying amounts of /aim:

/attack;
/aim;
/flame{single, cone}1

It's not a looping one, so to me it's still killing things by hand. And to me it's a viable macro.

Garvin said that he knew of people (as well as myself knowing of 2 personally) that were suspended due to the suspected use of a 3rd party program because they were using a recursive macro while afk. (both of the people I know were afk surveying). It leaves a mess of you having to prove yourself innocent when a CSR gets a report of someone using one and you are afk and unable to reply to them at the moment. The result has quite often been a suspension (temporary ban) from people I have heard of in various cases. He did not say they were banned for using one.

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DocSavage70 wrote:

Way back on 8-6-04 a thread was started on recursive macros.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Developers&message.id=48478&page=1

Nothing has been hashed out yet. Do you know anyone that got banned and was not using a 3rd party program? I don't.

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I knowa personwho have gotten banned because the someone thought they were using a 3rd Partyapp when they were just using apparently a AFK Macro...I believe they eventually got the banning over turned, but it caused a lot of head-ache and eventually soured them on the game...From all they had to do to get things fixed, AFK grinding just doesn't sound worth it to me...

To those of you saying that commando is not a complicated proffesion... it may not be as complicated as others, but there is more to it than stacking on DoT's. There is experiences in knowing when the actual use of our broken grenades are actually extremely effective and can be killer from experience with the delay's of other weapons and knowing timing of when to actually let one fly. Same for the disposables, knowing the right timing in a fight... right distances to use them so you don't get closed on while on that knee letting one fly. There is more to being a true master of the commando proffesion that laying on DoT's.

To those of you screaming it's a game... Yes it is. It is meant to be played. You are not playing it if your CPU is doing everything for you. As I said in my first post, have at it... but I won't help you. The reasoning is that it is a game. AFK'ers directly affect the experiences of other players in many ways... and NONE are positive in the slightest.

1) You are AFK around Coronet or Tyrena killing meatlumps:
A) You are taking up spawn points that are there for the new players to be learning from
B) What about the new players that have no idea that you are AFK and walk up to you asking a question thinking "oooh there was a big boom, maybe he can help me". Well potentially lost a new player due to their first ingame experience being to be ignored by the 20 people around town kneeling and killing the weakest mobs in the game in one hit.
C) You being AFK for 8 hours a day etc is effectively adding to possible lag in these cities for people that are at the keyboard.

2) You are AFK camping a POI:
A) You are taking away the experience of the POI from players that are actually going in to take a look around by being there and AFK killing the content.
B) Many of these places have loot, and these people that AFK here tend to cut many people out from the chance to get some good loot other than treasure maps and loot kit parts.

3) You are an AFK dancer buffbot:
A) You take away the chances of the at the board novices to gain experience by being there all the time
B) You have at the board entertainers now getting invited for no reason and disturbing their play style due to the expectation of being a buffbot and the uneducated assumption that you must be grouped in order to recieve a entertainer buff.
C) You take away the income live entertainers could be giving because of that awful spam that is created so that they are not even comfortable being in some cantinas.

Well I could go on, but frankly the attitudes of a few in this thread are selfish in saying that we shouldn't have an opinion on the ethics of AFK'ing when it is a detriment to the playing experience of other players. If you feel it is ok, then more power to you, but this is a public forum and if I have the chance to say something that might make an AFK'er rethink what they are doing and let them know that it can detriment other players... I will. Don't leave insults of other people calling out egoes etc, it isn't about that. It is about thinking of others and a genuine desire to let people know that it is much more beneficial to everyone and yourself to actually experience the good and the bad of lower profession skills and learning to use everything (even broken skills) to their best.

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Jocephus wrote:

Are you done? Good... well then please allow me to retort:

blacke wrote:

Ohh, so you also know when to use what?
As an example: If you AFK grinded, lets say pistoleer, would you also get to know when to use what special? How they relate to each other?

I'm not talking about the pistoleer profession. I'm talking about the Commando Profession. I think the pistoleer profession is much more complicated than the commando profession

We may not have many specials, but we have lots of consumeables instead, did your AFK grind teach how to use then in the most effective way?

I don't think so.

I know that at novice commando your accuracy with all commando weapons stinks and therefore you should not waste money on them until you are accurate enough to use them. Personally, I am not rich and dont have a ton of money to throw around

Knowing all specials from a proffesion is not the same as knowing how to use said proffesion. And that is what we react most to, others using our prof (currently) as a steppingstone to a glowstick.

I never said that I was using it as a stepping stone to jedi. If I was doing that, why would I waste my time & skill points on heavy acid rifles and flamethrowers? I would just buy crates upon crates of grenades.

Or not taking the time to properly getting to know everything about our prof.

Why are you concerned about how much I know about my profession? Sounds to me like you just like complaining. You take yourself & this game too seriously. Get a life. Or better yet, how about you go to your local advertising agency, and purchase advertising rights for a billboard somewhere near your house. On that billboard you can put a big sign declaring that you know everything there is to know about the commando profession. I'm sure you will get hundreds of men and women who want you banging your door down. I'm sure the mayor will be coming by your house to drop off the key to the city. Within a couple of days air force one will probably land on the street outside of your house, and out of that airplane will walk good ol' GW Bush to give you a medal for helping fight the war on terror in the Galaxy of Farstar. The world will ignore the fact that you are arrogant and self-rightous and they will will love you forever, because you are a different breed of video game toon. You are a commando.

Get over yourself.

I say good day to you sir.

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First, I never said I knew everything about commando, I am still learning how to use it properly. As Knightcrest said, to properly use commando you have to learn the timing of when to use our consumables.

Second, my comment on glowsticks and not getting to know the proffesion was a more general comment on those peps we do not quite take kindly to.

Third, your comment about the billboard and all that, don't ....... just don't. I do not take this game too seriously, I think some peps don't take it seriously enough by letting the comp do all the gaming for them.

And last, I suggest that you take your own advice: Get a life.

I know you did, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to say what's on my mind.