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Thread: The proton rifle will probably be the best HWeapon overall
Dakkaeo wrote:well most commandos are MORONS AND DONT REALIZE YOU COULD RUN INTO A FULL CROWD OF PEOPLE AND ROOT THEM IN ONE SHOT
*sniff sniff* smells like flame bait.
Rooting them all in one shot may be fine, but we also like a weapon where we can take them out one by one without breaking other mezzes/roots/states.
On the other hand, you did say "jedi friends" when you just could have said "friends". I apologise if it came across harshly, but those are my feelings towards this game.
Dakkaeo wrote:ALSO: Apparently, nobody has had this vision but me.You're out in a field with a 65m proton rifle, you see some Jedi coming that are overt. You and your buddy are overt also, you're prone..waiting for them to get close.(this is all assuming AoE will do full dmg)Your buddy quickly lowers your health, you pop an accuracy food, hit last ditch, and incap all 3 charging Jedi in one shot.Or, you could continue to argue against the proton rifle's radius, thus, pushing us back to the status that we do not have a good damage area weapon, and we're always limited to 25m.
Ok, I missed this post before. But with the current incap timers and the warmup on DB, I'd rather be up close and personal with the jedi.
What you do not seem to be grasping is that most commandos Want a master level non-AoE weapon. We do not want to have to go to other profs for a non-AoE weapon.
But explane one thing to me: How does your friend lower your health quicly enough so you can get an effective LD of before the jedi are within PFT range?
And to re-iterate: You're only thinking PvP. Having only AoE isn't fun in PvE.
JoKen_Jash wrote:
The radius on the Proton Rifle has NEVER worked (thank god we have a non-AoE weapon!). But yeah, it's pupable, and with new slices being better than before we should be able to challenge an unsliced/puped proton carbine at least. Perhaps even a sliced proton carbine, as long as you have a good pup on yours.
Now I have to loot one again though.
Do we get the same elemental cold damage as the proton carbine gets? Been so long since i looked at mine i can't rememberbut don't think we do.... and If not, shouldn't this be added on the new ones?
blacke wrote:
The jedi thing was more a reflex action to the word jedi, becouse I'm sick of all the things jedi in this game. I bought it becouse of the general Star Wars feeling, not Jedi Wars as it's turning out to be.
On the other hand, you did say "jedi friends" when you just could have said "friends". I apologise if it came across harshly, but those are my feelings towards this game.
Dakkaeo wrote:
ALSO: Apparently, nobody has had this vision but me.
You're out in a field with a 65m proton rifle, you see some Jedi coming that are overt. You and your buddy are overt also, you're prone..waiting for them to get close.
(this is all assuming AoE will do full dmg)
Your buddy quickly lowers your health, you pop an accuracy food, hit last ditch, and incap all 3 charging Jedi in one shot.
Or, you could continue to argue against the proton rifle's radius, thus, pushing us back to the status that we do not have a good damage area weapon, and we're always limited to 25m.
Um there you would be 100% wrong.
Use a weapon other than you PFT bud.
The ASL has a 65m CONE AoE damage/effect, Much more damage square footage than the Proton Rifle and it has lower SAC. Also if you get a good one it only has about 50 less Base DPS than the PFT. Put the Larger Effect area with the lower SAC cost and the added blind state and you have a much better weapon for applying long range state effect w/o the downside of a fire DoT that will Break a MEZ or anything.
Commando already has 2 65m AoE weapons. We do not need another one. We need the ability to hit one person/creature, for really hard damage w/o draining our action pool in 5 attacks. We need to be able to attack a High Level MOB in a high level dungeon w/o Argoing the whole flipin place on us. Go to the Death Watch Bunker and use your nice little AoE weapons and tell me how much you like it. Or better yet go take on Necrosis and his goons with your AoE weapons and your jedi friend.
Dakkaeo wrote:
ALSO: Apparently, nobody has had this vision but me.
You're out in a field with a 65m proton rifle, you see some Jedi coming that are overt. You and your buddy are overt also, you're prone..waiting for them to get close.
(this is all assuming AoE will do full dmg)
Your buddy quickly lowers your health, you pop an accuracy food, hit last ditch, and incap all 3 charging Jedi in one shot.
Or, you could continue to argue against the proton rifle's radius, thus, pushing us back to the status that we do not have a good damage area weapon, and we're always limited to 25m.
Alright, Dakkaeo, you ignorant little... *sigh*
Message Edited by JoKen_Jash on 06-28-2005 12:00 PM
The proton rifle has crapy DPS any way. Whats the average? 290?
Our PFTs have 310+
ASL about 250-270 range, a lot cheeper and it has a lower SAC.
Proton Rifle < ASL < PFT < FWG5 < Lightsaber < Proton Carbine < High Velocity Scater Pistol
ITS ALL FUBAR!!!
You must have a sucky PFT then. And using Last Ditch like that is frowned upon by both the Jedi AND the SMUGGLERS.
The Rifle is outmatched by the PFT in everything except for the fact that it has no aoe and it has a range over 2 and a half times longer. Thus the rifle is better for long range single targets, and the PFT is better for close encounters. And you are a moron for trying to exploit the last ditch ability to kill everything in one shot.