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Thread: Something about TH's last post really bothers me...

DeneziB
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:40 pm
#14

Is there a FAQ somewhere that says that anyone who disagrees with your point of view, and agrees with the impartial judgement of a game developer, is a "troll"? That seems to be the favorite retort of anyone who disagrees with me. "You're a troll, blah blah blah, me want mommy! blah blah blah". Everyone rails against TH as if he wakes up in the morning, rubs his palms together and thinks: "I think I'll screw over our customers today. Muahahahaha". He doesn't. It never occurs to you people that your overpowered toys are being taken away and replaced with proper toys. You had a taste of godliness and now the party's over. You will just have to be content with being one of the most powerful professions in the game as opposed to being the most powerful powerful powerful profession in the game.


Clarifying my recent statement. I did not mean drop commando to go TKM or pistoleer. I meant be a master commando with support combat class skills from TK or Pistoleer or something else to help you get in range to use that flamer.



Denezi Bo'o: The Hero of Naboo
Queen of the Bantha. The Emperor's Right Pinky. The Slayer of Jedi (35)
Imperator Defensoris: "Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores."
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KeltinOxford
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:58 pm
#15

Thank you Garvin. This guy is starting to irriate me with these posts of complete nonsense babble.....I'm glad there are those of us to take the time and point out with undeniable facts how things really are.


Now I'm sure this guy will find some way to squirm around your answers and think he's still right, but I know that none of us really respect his opinion around here after posts like those.We know our problems, and unfortunately, it seems as if we are the only ones. Keep fighting guys.






Furyk Zarowan

Master Commando || Rebel Alliance Pilot

United Pilots Alliance, Bloodfin


Nighthelm
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:58 pm
#16

Don't waste your time garvin, Denizb is TH's alt.



Jered Nighthelm of the Keepers of a New Hope
garvin
Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:58 pm
#17


Everyone rails against TH as if he wakes up in the morning, rubs his palms together and thinks: "I think I'll screw over our customers today. Muahahahaha". He doesn't. It never occurs to you people that your overpowered toys are being taken away and replaced with proper toys. You had a taste of godliness and now the party's over. You will just have to be content with being one of the most powerful professions in the game as opposed to being the most powerful powerful powerful profession in the game.


I have a question for you...have you ever warned someone not to do something but they did it anyway...and did what you feared would happen actually happen? We'll we commandos warned the Devs along time ago about a mistake we thought they were making...they made the mistake anyway...it took over 3months before a Dev finally came to us and said basically "opps...we made a mistake...we'll change it back"...


So yes...even the Godly Devs make mistake...and we'd be stupid to sit back and just watch them make another without trying to warn them...if we just sat back and took it, we'd really deserve what we get...We'd just like to avoid another 3 or 4 month of sitting back and waiting for a fix...


You claim that we are "one of the most powerful professions in the game"...Back that crap up...what are the statistics of wins and losses that Commandos have in PvP...do you even realize that we lose more PvP then we win? How would we EVER lose if we were so Uber....could it be that with our power comes heavy restrictions that are in place to keep us balanced...and if we lose much more then we win, obviously the balance is already off and not in our favor...so I ask you this...what happens to the scale that is already out of balance if you add more weight to the heavy side?


The whole idea that we are "invincible" or "over-powered" is just a weak way of saying you can't use strategy well...a commando is one of the easiest opponents to beat in the game...a Marksman can beat a Commando...But instead of just lying back and taking it OR abandoning our profession we have something called Character...do you know about Character? We choose to stay and try to see our profession fixed...and when attacked, we defend...and if possible, we fight back...


The idea that we want to be the most uber profession in the game is as stupid as the person who claims it...Let's say we did become the "most uber profession"...let's say we became unbeatable...what would happen? Everyone would become Commandos...and we'd get bored...so it would be counter productive to even try that...if that's the way you think, you really need to look up...because that's a clue flying over your head...sorry...





Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

KeltinOxford
Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:43 pm
#18






garvin wrote:



The idea that we want to be the most uber profession in the game is as stupid as the person who claims it...Let's say we did become the "most uber profession"...let's say we became unbeatable...what would happen? Everyone would become Commandos...and we'd get bored...so it would be counter productive to even try that...if that's the way you think, you really need to look up...because that's a clue flying over your head...sorry...







/applaud


Enough said.







Furyk Zarowan

Master Commando || Rebel Alliance Pilot

United Pilots Alliance, Bloodfin


DeneziB
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:02 am
#19

*yawn*


Again I counter the nonsense that I know nothing about the commando profession by saying: "I was a Master Commando for nearly 3 months"


I hardly ever lost at PvP. I could apply multi-DOTs to multiple people using flame cone, then I could focus the DOTs with flame single. Using multiple flame DOTs, I could wipe out every single NPC at a faction base, solo without stopping to heal.


The logic behind the commando class is the same as teras kasi: If you get in melee range of a commando, you should be dead. Pistoleers kite. That's what they do. To say that a commando is weak because he cannot kite and is at the mercy of a kiter, is as nonsensical as a pistoleer complaining that his flamer doesn't do a lot of damage.


"A marksman can beat a commando."


Okay, that little quote is so outrageous that it speaks volumes of how the rest of your claims are exaggeration and flights of fancy. Isn't a commando also a master marksman?





garvin wrote:


Everyone rails against TH as if he wakes up in the morning, rubs his palms together and thinks: "I think I'll screw over our customers today. Muahahahaha". He doesn't. It never occurs to you people that your overpowered toys are being taken away and replaced with proper toys. You had a taste of godliness and now the party's over. You will just have to be content with being one of the most powerful professions in the game as opposed to being the most powerful powerful powerful profession in the game.


I have a question for you...have you ever warned someone not to do something but they did it anyway...and did what you feared would happen actually happen? We'll we commandos warned the Devs along time ago about a mistake we thought they were making...they made the mistake anyway...it took over 3months before a Dev finally came to us and said basically "opps...we made a mistake...we'll change it back"...


So yes...even the Godly Devs make mistake...and we'd be stupid to sit back and just watch them make another without trying to warn them...if we just sat back and took it, we'd really deserve what we get...We'd just like to avoid another 3 or 4 month of sitting back and waiting for a fix...


You claim that we are "one of the most powerful professions in the game"...Back that crap up...what are the statistics of wins and losses that Commandos have in PvP...do you even realize that we lose more PvP then we win? How would we EVER lose if we were so Uber....could it be that with our power comes heavy restrictions that are in place to keep us balanced...and if we lose much more then we win, obviously the balance is already off and not in our favor...so I ask you this...what happens to the scale that is already out of balance if you add more weight to the heavy side?


The whole idea that we are "invincible" or "over-powered" is just a weak way of saying you can't use strategy well...a commando is one of the easiest opponents to beat in the game...a Marksman can beat a Commando...But instead of just lying back and taking it OR abandoning our profession we have something called Character...do you know about Character? We choose to stay and try to see our profession fixed...and when attacked, we defend...and if possible, we fight back...


The idea that we want to be the most uber profession in the game is as stupid as the person who claims it...Let's say we did become the "most uber profession"...let's say we became unbeatable...what would happen? Everyone would become Commandos...and we'd get bored...so it would be counter productive to even try that...if that's the way you think, you really need to look up...because that's a clue flying over your head...sorry...











Denezi Bo'o: The Hero of Naboo
Queen of the Bantha. The Emperor's Right Pinky. The Slayer of Jedi (35)
Imperator Defensoris: "Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores."
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maddogs
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:24 am
#20

so the trol is back is he dont worry guys i have talked to LS fiance and she sed he has reported him and its being takin care of dont answer any more of this nut balls post


he has no facts to stand on and answering him just gives him plaser


we all no the trueth and tyring to make a 9 yer old understand ant really part of are job



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Daniel' Judson-Leonheart

Halmet
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:55 am
#21






DeneziB wrote:


The logic behind the commando class is the same as teras kasi: If you get in melee range of a commando, you should be dead. Pistoleers kite. That's what they do. To say that a commando is weak because he cannot kite and is at the mercy of a kiter, is as nonsensical as a pistoleer complaining that his flamer doesn't do a lot of damage.









Commando isnt a melee profession.



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KaptainKrude
Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:34 am
#22









I dropped it a week ago and am getting over it just fine.Isuspected all along that theyjust didn't get it, andTh's posts prove itto me more and more with each one I read.



R.I.P. Commando






NTyekanik CorrinoN
New Dawn City
Naboo

garvin
Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:17 am
#23


LOL. You read my mind. Im going master TK/Pistoleer with a little novice smuggler 0-0-4-0, novice commando 0-0-4-0 (come on thats about the only part that works). And there are some former commandos I know of that dropped all but the novice box and invested it into pistol skills to use that nice LP a little more efficiently.


This is a perfect post...thank you...you have summed up one of our major issues exactly...your right...only 0-0-4-0 works properly...and you are also correct when you say that many people are just getting Novice Commando for just the LP (something Tac brings up often, but it falls on deaf ears most of the time)...


People reading this, especially those visiting our forum who base their opinion off of what they see and read instead of actually experience, should think about what this means...1 working tree makes a person just as capable as a Master Commando...and people are grabbing one box of Commando just for a weapon...Where does that leave the rest of the profession...were is our benefit...we pay many prices to be Commandos, but is the return value enough to match those sacrifices...and what does it mean to us when they take more away?

Message Edited by garvin on 02-11-2004 09:19 AM



Garvin Lansdowne
Retired Commando Correspondent - Current Blue Glowie

Master Commando / TKM || Architect / Shipwright / Master Droidsmith

ShadowStyrkeGuild.com: A WoW Guild Website

NightRaider
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:47 pm
#24

The sad thing is the devsactually think it is ok for a TKM to do more damage with their hands than a master Commando with his weapons.



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~Elder Smuggler~

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DeneziB
Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:52 pm
#25

You label me a troll because I disagree with you? Nonsense. There is nothing I have written that wasn't inappropriate. The CSR will re-read my posts and most likely ban you for false reporting.

Everything I have written has been IMPARTIAL observations based on experience. Frankly, I have written nothing that wasn't fact.

I suppose you all have also reported Thunderheart for being a troll because his remarks disagree with your opinion. You all didn't stop at calling him and idiot and other unsavory names. It wouldn't surprise me that you haven't called him a troll outright and then reported him to a moderator yet.

I'm a bit flattered that you believe I'm a "liar" because my combat abilities were so spectacularly amazing that the only explanation for my skills is that I'm making it up.

I must remember the golden rule to not engage in discussion with children and idiots because they'll always drag you down to their level. I'm done with this thread because you people are incapable of any rational discourse other than saying liar-liar-pants-on-fire and saying you're an idiot.

Thunderheart and the Dev's opinion align with mine. That's all I need to know to affirm that my beliefs are the correct ones. They don't have vested interest in their opinions like the people calling me a "liar".



Denezi Bo'o: The Hero of Naboo
Queen of the Bantha. The Emperor's Right Pinky. The Slayer of Jedi (35)
Imperator Defensoris: "Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores."
What is <id>?

maddogs
Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:06 pm
#26

Commando isnt a melee profession.


lets elabrat why we can prove were not


1 we have master marks men

2 we have weps that can go over 16m but are worth crap

3 defence if we were melee we need a tone more defence



if TH wants us to get into the fight more give us some god **** defences if you did this you wouldint se a poor commando burning and runing for his dear life



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