Commando Archive
Thread: Something about TH's last post really bothers me...
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garvin
Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:55 pm
#1
TH just made a couple of interesting posts if our Top5 thread...
I disagree that the profession is crippled or broken - - I play a commando and I paid very close attention to the DoT changes on Test Center because I know how important it is. The damage just shifts from the DoT to the weapon which means you have to get into combat and fight instead of DoT and kite and thats a good thing.
This part of one of his posts really bugs me...He says "the damage **edit**s from the Dot to the weapon which means we have to get into the combat and fight isntead of DoT and kite"...this is COMPLETELY wrong thinking...This is what we already do and is no different then ANY other profession that has a DoT...name one profession with a DoT that doesn't use it...We try to place our DoT (at melee range) and if we are lucky enough to place one, we still fire regular combat shots via our FT, our LP or some other weapon...we don't just DoT then run away screaming waiting to DoT again...We actually are forced into more close quarter fighting that any other Ranged Profession since our specials are at 16m...so inessence, we are already "into the combat" more then ANY other ranged profession...and we take MUCH more melee damage then our other Ranged Professions bretheren...yet we have one of the weakest defenses (next to BH's)...
TH...it's posts like this that really make me wonder how much time you invest in playing Commando...I don't mean that as an insult, but anyone who plays Commando knows that due to our speed and the delay from our specials, you CAN NOT rely at all on the DoT to win the fight...we are lucky to get a DoT on our opponent, and if we do, we rarely live long enough (when fighting PvP) to get 2...and even more rarely to get 3....WE CAN'T KITE and place a DoT...if we manage to get a DoT on our opponent and then attempt to Kite we leave our opponent with plenty of time to put the DoT out...and if that happens they then just wait for us to try and DoT them again at 16m...
Of course Tatooine is a different story...but that's the reason we don't mind an extingisher coming into game (but only if we can have some input into how it works)...
I'm sorry TH, but you really need to start listening to what we are saying more...we know our profession...we tried to warn the Dev's the last time they were about to make a HUGE mistake and we got the same responses you are giving us now...just a lot of wait and see...and eventually they came back to us with "we see we made a mistake...we'll change it back"...please learn from their mistakes and listen to use this time...we are not trying to become uber or invincible...and we aren't that way right now...we are just trying to protect what little we currently have...
tacwraith
Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:01 pm
#2
talking to the scapegoat or taking his word is pointless garvin.
baaaa!
IceNine777
Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:04 pm
#3
Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, if you only depend on your dot in pvp then you are a coward, Even combat medics have little decency and fight you after they mind poison you which incaps you after like 10 seconds. To dot someone and run away is just gay, and if they are buffed whats to keep them from healing themselves just leaving wounds to heal after they kill you.
garvin
Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:12 pm
#4
Personally...I'd love to challange TH to a fight...him as a Current Master Commandoonly(no TC changes) and me as a Novice Pistoleer (no other skills)...Make the fight on any planet with water and I guarentee I can beat him in a PvP at least 7 out of 10 times (the 3 out of 10 times he might get lucky)...Now throw in Novice Medic to both players and I can guarentee that I could beat him 10 out of 10 times...All I have to do is keep out of DoT range and keep healing any damage done while I kite and bleed him to death (via healthshot2)...
And if you want to fight on Tatooine...Throw in a little Smuggler or Rifleman with Pistoleer and Novice Medic and I can still beat a Master Commando 10 out of 10 times...
That's what we are trying to tell you TH...there are already plenty of balances in the game that FORCE us into the fight...and in most cases, even with our powerful stackable DoT we are still at the DISADVANTAGE...this is what you are missing...
Would you like to take me up on the offer TH? You could grab any other player and set up the same scenerio and still get the same results...It doesn't matter that the Pistoleer doesn't have as much power...they have speed...they have defenses...and best of all they have ranged specials...these easily compensate for any ultra powerful shots we can do...
Message Edited by garvin on 02-10-2004 03:13 PM
tacwraith
Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:14 pm
#5
heck no, i'd duel him with just the novice marksman box and tell him to use any weapon BUT the flamethrower. Thats going to be a hoot. I bet he incap's himself 7 out of 10 times 
Xenothaulus
Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:00 pm
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tacwraith wrote:
heck no, i'd duel him with just the novice marksman box and tell him to use any weapon BUT the flamethrower. Thats going to be a hoot. I bet he incap's himself 7 out of 10 times
TheRealChriss
Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:34 pm
#7
garvin wrote:
This is what we already do and is no different then ANY other profession that has a DoT...name one profession with a DoT that doesn't use it...
carbineer.
tacwraith
Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:35 pm
#8
uhh...im almost master carbineer now and I use that bleed a lot.
TheRealChriss
Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:43 pm
#9
hmmm... i seem to be able to kill with full-auto single2 and charge shot a lot faster than using the crappy bugged out action bleed.
tacwraith
Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:52 pm
#10
maddogs
Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:10 pm
#11
at this time and junkger i say theres three things that need to be done
1 ithere you stop all dot changes now
2 take the delay of the flamer
3 make the flame were it dos no dam and just lays a havey dot and give us the e-web and the beam rifles for are main wep and stop **edit**ing us over
it realy pees me off what he says he has no clue what the heck hes talking about
also
i masterd carbiner and i used action shot alot its almost the best bleed in game (swords men have the best)
the thing not only has a aoe bleed that stikes 76% of the time its also a aoe poster down what more can you ask for
Message Edited by maddogs on 02-10-2004 07:14 PM
DeneziB
Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:58 pm
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I disagree that the profession is crippled or broken - - I play a commando and I paid very close attention to the DoT changes on Test Center because I know how important it is. The damage just shifts from the DoT to the weapon which means you have to get into combat and fight instead of DoT and kite and thats a good thing. - TH
I completely agree with Thunderheart. You all are lumping the reduction in DOT damage on Test with the amount of damage the weapon does on Live. When the changes go live, you will actually do more damage from the initial flame hit, with a reduction in the damage the DOT does. TH is correct when he says that all too often commandos light their victims up and run, wearing their full composite to take the brunt of damage until the DOT burns the person to incap.
All you flame kiters using the overpowered multi-DOT are actually going to have to stop running and use a weapon other than your flamer. You actually are going to have to use strategy and pick up support combat skills to compete and you're frightened. Why not pick up TKM? Why not pickup pistoleer skills?
You all cannot look beyond spam DOTting your opponents to death.
thepunisher286
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:16 pm
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DeneziB wrote:
I disagree that the profession is crippled or broken - - I play a commando and I paid very close attention to the DoT changes on Test Center because I know how important it is. The damage just shifts from the DoT to the weapon which means you have to get into combat and fight instead of DoT and kite and thats a good thing. - TH
I completely agree with Thunderheart. You all are lumping the reduction in DOT damage on Test with the amount of damage the weapon does on Live. When the changes go live, you will actually do more damage from the initial flame hit, with a reduction in the damage the DOT does. TH is correct when he says that all too often commandos light their victims up and run, wearing their full composite to take the brunt of damage until the DOT burns the person to incap.
All you flame kiters using the overpowered multi-DOT are actually going to have to stop running and use a weapon other than your flamer. You actually are going to have to use strategy and pick up support combat skills to compete and you're frightened. Why not pick up TKM? Why not pickup pistoleer skills?
You all cannot look beyond spam DOTting your opponents to death.
I speak for every commando here when I say: You MORON! We picked commando. We spent hours getting master. Some people arent stupid and lame enough like YOU to grind up another proffesion because of the worst customer support in history ( ignorance of the fact that were broken, and refusing the people who pay them to fix what they broke.. can it get any worse? )
Now. We have only ONE (1) weapon that actualy works as intended ( apparently its over powered when they put it that way with a bug in the system ). You dumb troll! We have nothing else to use! We should not have to go up another proffesion to use a commando weapon like the luancher pistol. There is no reason for that and you know it! I have to get pistoleer though. I HAVE to or my 169 points are going to waste and once I get pistoleer, theres a voice in my head saying idiots like you are going to cry to nerf LP. Your probably one of those nincompop 9 year olds who runs up to a commando and duels him to never even try to leave the 16m range. If you were to actualy have enough braincells to comprehend were worthless past that, maybe you wouldnt be wasting webspace with your bull**edit**.
Maybe we dont want to be TKA! Maybe we dont want to be like every other retard who decides to go TKA just because they are overpowered for a breif period of time. We play commando because we ENJOY playing it! We dont pay monthly to play a game just to work for hours to get a proffesion we dont like just so we can kill better in an already crappy PVP system.
I think TH said it best when he concluded commandos were overpowered in his test that pited M commando VS M commando
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