Commando Archive
Thread: You guys kid yourselves
Penetration is important.. 
and Size does matter.. no matter what some would tell you.
and how big of an explosion you make /grin
Seriously however...the original poster is just plain funny.
Making real life comparisons in a game with energy weapons is pointless. The point everyone is trying to make is that the T-21 has the most powerful ammount of Armor Piercing in the game. While None of the Commando weapons have armor piercing at all. I agree that not every heavy weapon needs AP. But there should be some that should have it.
Commandos, what you all need to realize is until other people try out our class (lmao) and use the weapons they will NEVER realize how awful they are compared to normal available weaponry. These arguments are all pointless.
Everyone else, the last thing Commandos as a class do is call for nerfs on others. If you know what's really going on the devs nerfed the T-21 and not the players.
Kudos to Jvoss 
it makes perfect sense..JUST the term 'heavy' means it can do serious damage...and if we have low AP...it cant do serious damage against what we're suppoused to fight..vechs
Zarl0k wrote:
All I get is that you have no physics knowledge whatsoever and still don't know the difference between an explosive effect in an area vs penetrationg through that area
While your right some of our weapons do make explosions, and its pointless to argue with youabout that ( you don't listen and expect others to listento you)we have others (Heavy Particle Beam) that are only supposed to be for penetrating armor. It has armor piercing zero, what's your explanation for that?
Zarl0k wrote:
All I get is that you have no physics knowledge whatsoever and still don't know the difference between an explosive effect in an area vs penetrationg through that area
You can not read can you.
It is an armor penetrating Heat round (High Explosive Anti-Tank). The hellfire, tow, dragon all have the same kind. Designed to penetrate the armor of an MBT.
It works like this kid, simply put there is a cone of explosives, they all go off, focusing the heat and blast into one tiny point, this point melts through the armor of the tank causing the armor it is melting to liquify, all of this enters the tank and causes secondary explosions.
I will give you a simple web sight to explain how this works. I guess the government and the army do not understand physics either.
Zarl0k wrote:
All I get is that you have no physics knowledge whatsoever and still don't know the difference between an explosive effect in an area vs penetrationg through that area
You can not read can you.
It is an armor penetrating Heat round (High Explosive Anti-Tank). The hellfire, tow, dragon all have the same kind. Designed to penetrate the armor of an MBT.
It works like this kid, simply put there is a cone of explosives, they all go off, focusing the heat and blast into one tiny point, this point melts through the armor of the tank causing the armor it is melting to liquify, all of this enters the tank and causes secondary explosions.
I will give you a simple web sight to explain how this works. I guess the government and the army do not understand physics either.
Zarl0k is obviously someone who just had his favorite weapon nerfed and is very, very bitter about it. A couple of points:
1) Commandos can't even get a response from the Devs or a new corrospondent. Obviously, we have extrodinary pull. Obviously, we were the driving force behind getting the T-21 nerfed. Logic would dictate otherwise. Logic says we would be using our extreme influence with the devs to at least find out when we might get patched.
2) There are quite a number of people here who were in the military. I was one of them as well. I won't tell you my real world experience on this since you don't believe anyone who isn't in front of you (and maybe not even then). But, I would suggest you do a little research on the kinds of weapons used to take out heavy armor.
3) You might want to go to anger management. Your post really wasn't that constructive and you're taking a game way too seriously. This actually dilutes any constructive commentary you might have.
4) There are quite a number of heavy weapons types. It's a catch all for non-light weapons. Mortars are heavy weapons. Medium and heavy machine guns are often considered heavy weapons. And, so are anti-tank weapons.
Zarl0k wrote:
All I get is that you have no physics knowledge whatsoever and still don't know the difference between an explosive effect in an area vs penetrationg through that area
Ok Zarlok,
Here .. read these and see if you understand how a HEAT warhead can be used to penetrate armor better then a rifle. The sorry truth is the man portable rifle is for small vehicles and personneland missles like the dragon are for heavier armor.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m47-dragon.htm
This is the new Javelin
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/
Here is a good paraphrase of how a HEAT missle works
The missile contains high explosives specially arranged within the warhead. Just before the missile impacts a tank's armor, the "shaped charge" explodes and produces a jet of heat that burns through the tank's metal skin.
When the jet burns through the armor and reaches the interior of the tank, the molten armor becomes super-hot fragments that kill the crew and detonate the tank's ammunition.
I'm tired of proving my point Zarlok .. you find proof that a rifle can penetrate 400 - 500 mm of armor like the Dragon can, ok ?
Jawa-Sith-Lord wrote:
Zarl0k is obviously someone who just had his favorite weapon nerfed and is very, very bitter about it. A couple of points:
1) Commandos can't even get a response from the Devs or a new corrospondent. Obviously, we have extrodinary pull. Obviously, we were the driving force behind getting the T-21 nerfed. Logic would dictate otherwise. Logic says we would be using our extreme influence with the devs to at least find out when we might get patched.
LMAO!
You are making R. Lee Ermy a very proud man right now...
And you (J_vass?) are 100% correct in everything you have said. The original poster is cluless if he thinks that any rifle should damage armor more than a Rocket launcher.
Sure there are rifles that penatrate armor, but to say that a Rocket Launcher shouldn't do more damage to said armor is a preposterous notion. Thus the AP ratings of some of our heavy weapons should reflect the damage we should be able to do when comparing the T-21 to our Heavy Weapons.
To quote Lee Ermy; "When Ma Deuce does the talking, NO ONE argues with Ma Deuce".
I think we should get AP4 for some of our weapons 
. I'd LOVE to see graphic of a missile piercing and AT-ST and it go BOOM and fall. How else are we going to pop guys with 3 of them? Could you imagine several Imps, each with 3... goodbye city...
There has to be an asnwer to this... to me the answer is obvious.