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One statement that most of you don't think I'd ever say, but retains my hate for commandos is this:

The commando is not "overpowered", its just that nearly every other class is "underpowered" thus making commandos be the "top dog" by such a drastically large margin.

ATM tho, Commando does an insane amount of damage that no other class can come close to matching, in any way shape or form.

Classes should not have to wear armor/eat food/eat spices/get doctor buffs just to be able to withstand a single shot from one enemy, end of story.

and what about if that one time damage is so insanely high that the target is already dead, needing no 2nd shot?

It's a double edged sword there, buddy

I wear armor normally. If I am going out to fight I normally have doctor buffs, use food and have spices to use. With doctor buffs I can double my HAM bar, spices can make my mind and supporting stats huge for 10 minutes. The game isn't about solo play, its about the team, the group. Someone being able to take out a surprised, unprepared, unready player easily is correct, for any class. The thing is with a commando, if we get the drop, we get surprise and we miss, what then? 10 to 15 seconds of "Hi, so how are the wife and kids doing anyways? Yeah, I tried to flame you, but see I missed, hope you're not upset."

It is completely wrong to think about PvP as player A vs Player B and try to balance this situation assuming equal skill and preparedness. Put a few, several or many on each side and see how it works. Determine expectations of what each skill can contribute to this situation, the risk vs reward of using those skills and those contributions have to be based on what that player had to do to get that skill. Its not class Y vs class X that needs to be balanced, its what happens when you have 5 people with skill set A vs 5 people with skill set C where you provide a chance of success one way or the other. Do they have tools available with those skills,things available from interacting with other players, and faction perks that they can use to be successful in this situation and counter the other group's bag of tricks? This is how you create a fun experience for many people.

In this game a valid and correct response to "My class can't compete with that class in this situation." is "You are right, you can't."

id like to offer another perspective on the"double edged sword" analogy...

single shot pistol with a pocket filled mostly with blanks, vs a baseball bat. Sure if you get lucky you MIGHT get a kill in one shot if you get a real bullet and aim properly, but if you miss you have to fumble around waiting for the other guy to attack. with a baseball bat you can go on, and stay on, the offensive, not doin the raw damage, but doing damage with little chance of some critical error. As has been stated several times, novice commandos are expected to miss about 7 out of 10 times, if not more, and its not like the shots are guarenteeded to kill either, whereas a pistoleer, BH etc can be expected, at the novive level, to hit just about every single time, for a good amout of damage too.

it all goes back to consistant accumulating damage vesus a roulette of quick high damage. commandoes miss a lot, thats bad, when they hit, thats good, in pvp if they dont hit, they're often screwed. not everything can be seen in black and white, or, as two sides of the same sword.

ps please dont bite my head off if i accidently went off on some incoherant tangent, im pretty tired atm

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Dev said this?!?!?! have they ever played the game?!?!?!!?!

If they nerf the Commandos and not the BH there is someting realy wrong here..

If they are no nerf sometihng nerf the friggin at sts.. or give the rebells x-wing pets ^^

Yes Shadadet-Yokatsu you are right it is a double edged sword. If we hit we win if we miss we lose. Guess what, we miss way more then we hit. Actually, the miss ratio is frustrating to say the least. Now could you do us a favor and go spread you negativity SOMEWHERE ELSE.

My guess is you have never went against a carbine BH or you are aBH. Try getting hit with the knockdown/dizzy/onfiredot shot in the BH carbineline. It is also a one shot win. How about how effective/nasty/fast eyeshot is?

Combat Medic mind poison... Can you say ouch. With 1000 in mind 3 ticks of the DoT and I am down. Not only am I down but I am down until I am slayed because there is now way to heal it as a Commando.

No I am not saying nerf anyone I am saying that BH's and CM. What I am saying is they arejust as good. Learn to play your class and stop being a baby.

Well for me if I'm not lucky enough to kill the target in 1 shot I get killed myself as it takes forever to fire again, don't compare dmg between classes in what can be done in 1 shot (cause commando wins for sure there), compare it with a certain time period. Other weaps to less dmg but in less time too. If I fight a BH,and I didn't kill him then I get eyeshot to death guarentee.

Again your damage over time and damage per second theory moot.

Who cares about doing 10 damage every .1 second that can take down the enemies hitpoints the same amount as 1 shot from the other?

While I'm plunking away my 15 bullets to equal your 1 bullet I'm dead before 10 are fired. Your 1 hit 1 kill method works FAR more effective in a game that player hp is pretty much capped at 3k(Ifyou get an excellent buff and youdon't die before facing commando)and your damage is in the 2-6k range.

P.S. As far as the armor+buffs+spice theory working against commandos. What happens when the commando has the same type of armor/buffs/spices, then what? then the commando wins.

Unbuffed Commando vs unbuffed other = commando win

Buffed commando vs buffed other = commando win

Use logic, its your friend.

I did flamesingle1 vs a player in PvP. It did about 760 points of damage. I couldn't take another action for close to 15 seconds. In that span of time, I could have been eye shot 10 times. Who would have won that fight? Luckily, he wanted to die at the time cause we were WAY away from the cloning facility.

We have no knockdown. We have no defensive bonuses. Our accuracy with these weapons just plain sucks.

**edit** Commandos for finally being what they're supposed to be! I hear more complaints about BH's still. Hmm...why is that?

Hmm how shouldI put this?

Shadahet if you dont wanna get hurt and dont wanna be burned then keep your nerf herding ass away from US!!! You know we arent getting nerfed we are locked for 15 seconds of firing a special get some skill then come here and complain. Simple solution don't get close to a commando and you wont be burned..

We miss often our accuracy blows to hell and back so seriously if you get killed in 1 shot thats your own fault not ours.

I'd just like to say that I've not beatin any BH since before or after the patch and I've tried several different tactics so far, guess i just suck, but anyway it doesnt really bother me that much because I remember all too well what this proff was like before the patch. I can't sympothize with any bounty hunters who want the commando class nerfed because I just don't see how we are overpowered in any way.

Grifter, Interpid

if this means thatall the über class jumpers will find someother class to give a bad name im happy with the nerf.

Honestly we Commandos are not overpowered in anyway. Sure if we get the one lucky shot( I do mean Lucky) then we will probaly win. If we miss which happens alot we are in a whole world of hurt. Mostly likely we will die in PvP. Any commando out there will tell ya that. For those who come to our board and say we need to nerfed is totally uncalled for and obviously you did not research anything about the commando profession. Also you guys didnt talk to the players who had been waiting patiently over a month now for something to happen that is postitive. We whined yes but we stuck with it and now u individuals come here and state we need to nerf is so wrong and you should just be quiet until u fully understand what is going on before ranting "NERF".

C'mon if you really truely believe that we need to be nerf howabout presenting some facts " which i mean data" to back up your claims. Makesure its through because if it isnt we will ripped you apart ..plain and simple. I dont mean to offense or rude but I this was uncalled for. We are Commandos we are the heavy hitters but slow to pull the trigger players. Granted there is still some work ahead for all professions but we need to stick together and collect the information then present it to the devs so that they can take it from there. If you dont like what i have stated come visit me on the gorath server name is Vossk Ssovi and i will be more the willing to discusses this with you.