Commando Archive

lol @ bikebum. Dude you are a complete idiot. You are telling me that a TKM hits you for 1500 damage in PvP? hahahahahaha. The most I have EVER hit for in PvP was around 800 against someone ON THE GROUND WITH NO ARMOR. Dude you are a tard. Pick up something that gives you some kd defense or just stop complaining. Or stay away from them and use overchargeshot or somethin.

Sorry it took me so long to find this post again....

ObsidianDawn said -

You obviously don't PVP Ackeko. The vast majority of PVPers are BH pistoleers. All cookie cuttered exactly the same. Lets show you an exampe of why, shall we?

Coronet Correllia. Rebel Stronghold. I see an Overt Imperial doing his thing. I got annoyed. I got together a group of five and went after him. This BH pistoleer within fifteen seeconds had dizzy-downed all five people and then merrily slew them as they couldnt stand up.

Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

There is no strategy.

There is nothing.

Its BS.

Furthrmore some fellow said that setting people on fire at 16m is fair. Well I agree. But it seems a BH with torso shot can set me on fire with a normal pistol at 64 meters. Kinda convenient.

And again, if fire dotting us at 64 meters and dizzy-dropping us doesnt work, there;'s the old standby of 'eyeshot them over and over' Commandos have no accuracy. Yay, make em blind and they -never- hit.

Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

to say that Commando is a PVP class is to delude yourself. Commando is about as much a PVP class as Scout is. (Oh look! i have traps! I just cant use them on -people-)

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First, thank you for totally missing the point. Second, you seriously complain about armor? And buffs? Name ONE profession that has its main weapon do stun dmg... ok thank you, next point.

BH/Pistoleer combo... true. Fine, you got beat. You get beat by them all the time? You don't like it? stop PvP or BECOME ONE! Clue here... that guy spent 250 skill points on becoming that good at PvP. How many did you spend? Pick up the smuggler dirty tricks line... use your launcher pistol... do something!

You are not SUPPOSED to be the elite PvP proffesion with only master commando! You are heavy weapons. You are artilery!You are SUPPOSED to be the guy who does massive damage with really big guns to very large objects.

Last time i looked, people do not qualify as very large objects.

Now, if you go back (page 4 of the thread) and re-read my post, I was agreeing that for the most part Commando needs a serious looking at. The DOT is fine, don't nerf it.... so on and so forth. But at the end... which you clearly didn't get to, was the point that EVERY class claims to be the most broken. Every class claims to get owned in PvP. Every class claims that they need the most work and everybody else is WAY too overpowered.

If you want to PvP, make a template that WORKS for PvP within the constraints of the game as it exists NOW, not how you think it should be. If you think that because you have mastered a single proffesion that you should be a GOD in PvP guess again. Next thing you know the architects will be screaming for defenses... so they can check their harvesters riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I said it before and I'll say it again... nobody will be happy until there are no specials... every weapon does 100-100 of unblockable dmg at 1.0 speed, and now with the boosts to defense, everyone will want +100 to dodge, and def vs. everything.

Here's the thing... you tried something, it doesn't work. Instead of finding what DOES work, you simply claim that you are too broken.

There is no balance... there is only luck... and server latency.

Why is this SO hard to understand?

Btw... I am OVER JOYED! to see that this turned into a 'well then, how DO we beat them thread'

That, is what PvP is all about.

Flame on!

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Ackeko wrote:

Sorry it took me so long to find this post again....

ObsidianDawn said -

You obviously don't PVP Ackeko. The vast majority of PVPers are BH pistoleers. All cookie cuttered exactly the same. Lets show you an exampe of why, shall we?

Coronet Correllia. Rebel Stronghold. I see an Overt Imperial doing his thing. I got annoyed. I got together a group of five and went after him. This BH pistoleer within fifteen seeconds had dizzy-downed all five people and then merrily slew them as they couldnt stand up.

Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

There is no strategy.

There is nothing.

Its BS.

Furthrmore some fellow said that setting people on fire at 16m is fair. Well I agree. But it seems a BH with torso shot can set me on fire with a normal pistol at 64 meters. Kinda convenient.

And again, if fire dotting us at 64 meters and dizzy-dropping us doesnt work, there;'s the old standby of 'eyeshot them over and over' Commandos have no accuracy. Yay, make em blind and they -never- hit.

Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

to say that Commando is a PVP class is to delude yourself. Commando is about as much a PVP class as Scout is. (Oh look! i have traps! I just cant use them on -people-)

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First, thank you for totally missing the point. Second, you seriously complain about armor? And buffs? Name ONE profession that has its main weapon do stun dmg

Dogg: "Fencer!"

... ok thank you, next point.

BH/Pistoleer combo... true. Fine, you got beat. You get beat by them all the time? You don't like it? stop PvP or BECOME ONE! Clue here... that guy spent 250 skill points on becoming that good at PvP. How many did you spend? Pick up the smuggler dirty tricks line... use your launcher pistol... do something!

You are not SUPPOSED to be the elite PvP proffesion with only master commando! You are heavy weapons. You are artilery!You are SUPPOSED to be the guy who does massive damage with really big guns to very large objects.

Last time i looked, people do not qualify as very large objects.

Now, if you go back (page 4 of the thread) and re-read my post, I was agreeing that for the most part Commando needs a serious looking at. The DOT is fine, don't nerf it.... so on and so forth. But at the end... which you clearly didn't get to, was the point that EVERY class claims to be the most broken. Every class claims to get owned in PvP. Every class claims that they need the most work and everybody else is WAY too overpowered.

If you want to PvP, make a template that WORKS for PvP within the constraints of the game as it exists NOW, not how you think it should be. If you think that because you have mastered a single proffesion that you should be a GOD in PvP guess again. Next thing you know the architects will be screaming for defenses... so they can check their harvesters riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I said it before and I'll say it again... nobody will be happy until there are no specials... every weapon does 100-100 of unblockable dmg at 1.0 speed, and now with the boosts to defense, everyone will want +100 to dodge, and def vs. everything.

Here's the thing... you tried something, it doesn't work. Instead of finding what DOES work, you simply claim that you are too broken.

There is no balance... there is only luck... and server latency.

Why is this SO hard to understand?

Btw... I am OVER JOYED! to see that this turned into a 'well then, how DO we beat them thread'

That, is what PvP is all about.

Flame on!

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No ned to flame on, but i need to tell you, that this is not a whine thread (although it was misued by some for this particular application). This thread is to make up the minds of the other Players, that Commandos suck in PvP and that they deal the least Damage of all ranged Elite Professions, That they are far from that level where they are to be feared.

This thread is to stop those undeserved nerf cires to a profession that is almost useless.

And listen: I am no longer a commando! I quit it, because it serves no purpose:

-almost all weapons useless or completely unsusable. (exception: Launcher Pistol, Flamethrower)

-Devastating weapon delay

-without another elite profession, the Commando is useless in every situation.

-the friggin column titles are still at beta-stage (Ordonance manufacturer?)

There are professions out there that are more broken (Chef, Droid Engineer, Pikeman.....) bt that does not mean, that the Commando is not in need of a serious fix.

If all the other people out there keep whining about commandos and crying for even more nerfs, then this almost useless profession becomes useless and they can as well take it out of the game.

Name me one, just one purpose this profession should have, that another profession cannot do better (including just dabbling into novice Commando for a cert). You wont find one:

-AT-ST are taken down faster by swordsmen

-Turrets are destroyed faster by Swordsmen

-Crowds are devastated faster by Riflemen, Pistoleers, carbineers

-singe opponents are devastated faster by every single combat profession

-Crowd control (not without a Knockdown)

I see no purpose for this profession.

Dogg

Ok guys n gals,

After grinding master marksman (not so hard) and unarmed 4 (bit harder) i was all set to join the hallowed league of commandos.... I thought id pop in to your section of the forums to see what goes down.....only to find out that it seems to be the whole profession down the toilet. My wannabe commando bubble is now burst , thanks (lol) ....if no one can reinstate my faith in the profession , can anyone point me in the direction of one that is worth doing? Im not fussed with all this holocron business and am looking for something to get me by in all the pvp stuff.

So what is now recommended Rifleman? swordsman? pistoleer? BH?

Im not asking you to think for me but a handy pointer would be nice seeing as the rug has been pulled from under me...

yours A'se "looking for a new vocation" Rimmer

they only way to be really good at pvp is by dabbling. it seems that pistoller/smuggler/tka is pretty effective template, tho it is overused. pistoleer/fencer is also a good combo, and allows for some medic skills.

commandos are good for pve mostly. we CAN pvp, if we somehow get the first shot in (and actually hit). its a support class. if you want uber pvp action, commando isnt the profession for you.

Great, thanx for the ideas ...... maybe i will give the swordsman/pistoleer combo a go

Be lucky

A'se

It's great you went through all this testing, but all you have to do is look at what defensive bonus the elite ranged and brawler fields have at mastery vs the bonus to hit that master commando have to know that commandos are not suited for pvp. Pvp is fast in this game, with the damage any profession can put out and the limited amount of ham most players have (talking without buffs and armors to keep field level) its all about avoiding damage. And its easy to avoid commandos.

I group regularly with a friend who is a commando. All I can tell any commando who thinks they need beefing up is there smoking crack. Watching my friend hit on something for 5k damage shots and solo'n something that 8 other classes including master pistoleers, master tks, rifleman is enough to make ya sick. You guys should feel so lucky that you can have heavy armor piercing on anything but mines or something to that effect. Notice for these tests he did them all unarmored, but repeat these tests with both players armored and you will see a totally different story. Rocket launchers cut through armor like butter in pvp, might as well not even wear armor if your fighting a commando hehe. We have messed around alot, and trust me he is so overpowered its not even funny, and he will be the first one to admit it. Get ready for the nerf bat hehe, its commin soon.

Well thats the thing, we dont get any armor pearcing all our weapons are ; none. Thank god for my pisoleer skills, and you know what, you think shooting somone that has composite armor on and your weapon being double absorbed.Try being shot from that same person with a heavy, or medium armor peircing, when you cant wear armor cause your a wookie. Even if i could wear armor, a rifleman with a T21 would get 3 times the armor penetration as i would.Most likely he would incap me before i got within range to use any of my weapons.

Im about to drop my commando skils and duel rifleman/pistoler, and keep some CH skills, commando is lame, sure anything that isnt another toon is toast, literaly hehe, but you see a pistoleer he doesnt have to take another basic class like we do, the brawler, he can take only the novice marksman , the pistol branch, and then pistoleer. With only skill points you can master pisotleer.or rifleman or tka or carbineer....etc. what about us hmmm....118 wow that sure doesnt leave much does it. hell lets go ahead and make the pistoleer a master rifleman also thats only 163. try master the commando in two things and im talking about 2nd tier stuff. you cant do it.


My point is commandoes suck, a wookie combatant gets the stroke.No armor. No specials. No nothing. No wonder the wookies got burned out of their trees and made slaves, they are to stupid to wear armor.


Kallatatharalr

i dont know what these other people r talkin about there is always someone that can take you down ...

it is equal ...................................YOU WANT TO TALK UNFAIR....................................

and thats imps with atst's

those things suck... it would not be so bad if rebs had something that would at least 3/4 of the way stand up to it ...

NOw thaT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIX that crap shwwwwwww

Its not equal. Our weapons have a (brown thing that floats in your toilet)poor range.Have a teriable refire rate, and on top of that throw in the fact our weapons dont have any ,zip, zero , nadda, armor penetration.Then you add in the fact that being a commando limtits you in what else you can be you can clearly see that even if we hade armor penetration a little better chance of realy hitting , we would still get the shaft because we had to waste so many **edit** skill points in the brawler tree. Why is that anyways,im never gonna punch someone, hell if i get that close i would **edit** sure be using my flamer.

A guy without a gun , trained to the max, hes ready.
A guy with a gun , trained to the max , hes ready.

Realy folks who is gonna win?
Logic,and fact are denied in this game.

The guy with the gun will be knocked to the ground and never get another shot off.

Oh that would be awesome combination, a rifleman with TKA so that if the dumb commandoes would get close enough i could just kick ther tail with my VK.LOL

It worked however, the master plan of SOE to have us do 100's of hours of useless stuff,for now I have wasted all that combat xp on a useless class. Hell thats worse than the countless hours I paid to sit and look at my monitor waiting for a shuttle.The marketing stratagy of SOE makes Trump look like a rooky.Congrats on getting my money for nothing.

Its almost fun,keep up the GOOD work,some stuff in this game is just plane lame.